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Calling All Gun Nuts – Please Help Identify This Antique Pistol.
Jaysun (vanity)
| 12/23/2004
| Jaysun
Posted on 12/23/2004 9:03:18 PM PST by Jaysun
Any help that you guys can provide in identifying this little revolver would be greatly appreciated. I can provide additional pictures if anyone feels that may be helpful. Heres what we know about the gun:
My uncle found this gun in the wall of a house that was being torn down in Waco, Texas. The house was believed to be about 50 years old at the time, which makes the pistol around 100 years old (assuming it was placed there when the house was built). Other than that, I have no other history on the gun.
Its a 7 shot and the caliber appears to accommodate .22 short rounds. The barrel is 5.5 long. The gun is marked with a factory number 110298 on the frame at the front side of the grip. The two-piece wooden grip has the number 298 on each piece. The cylinder has the number 98 on it. The words SCOUT MODEL are on the top of the pistol as shown in the picture. There are no other markings. This gun feels very small in the hand; the trigger is pretty close to the grip.
It looks like it could be a Colt to me, but I cant find an exact match. Some have speculated that it might have been issued to a Texas Ranger, but thats just wishful thinking so far. I have a sizable number of antique guns and this is the only one we cant identify. Thanks again for your help and comments.
-Jaysun
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To: Covenantor
My particular model is the earliest one. It's from about 1880 or so. From what I understand Stevens made about 4 models of these pocket rifles, the last one being made about 1910.
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posted on
12/28/2004 2:35:36 PM PST
by
Jaysun
(DEMOCRATS: "We need to be more effective at fooling people.")
To: wardaddy
My double action H&R trapper model is exactly the same frame (pins, screw position, frame shape), except it has an integral rear sight. The short 7 shot cylinder is fluted and rotates clockwise unless the gun is cocked in single-action. The cylinder pin and release are exactly as shown on the scout model. The model stamping on the top strap is in the same place and orientation. The front sight on the octagon barrel is taller to accommodate the rear sight. Unlike other H&R's I've owned, it is not a top break 9 shot and the logo is absent from the frame. The manufacturers name is on the barrel.
To: Jaysun
63
posted on
01/01/2005 12:25:43 PM PST
by
Toyboys
(Here is my Newport and my Trapper. My cylinder rotates when not cocked also..)
To: Jaysun
64
posted on
01/01/2005 12:32:04 PM PST
by
Toyboys
(Here is my Newport and my Trapper. My cylinder rotates when not cocked also..)
To: Toyboys
Thanks Toyboys. I've found that Imagevenue's copy and paste html code doesn't work. I always take their tags off and put my own (img src="the web address here")(except using brackets)
Thanks! The bottom one (newport or trapper?) is a match. Is it by Harrington & Richardson? Do you know the year? Does it say "scout model"?
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posted on
01/01/2005 12:39:21 PM PST
by
Jaysun
(DEMOCRATS: "We need to be more effective at fooling people.")
To: Toyboys
Oops! That was the tiny one.
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posted on
01/01/2005 12:43:16 PM PST
by
Jaysun
(DEMOCRATS: "We need to be more effective at fooling people.")
To: neverdem; ExSoldier; hiredhand; Travis McGee; Squantos; enigma825; Fiddlstix; wardaddy; ...
Check out the gun on the bottom. It was sent in by our new FRiend Toyboys. He says it's a "trapper" by Harrington & Richardson and it looks to be an exact match to me - bizarre grip and all. Good call neverdem, enigma825, and wardaddy! You guys each win a chili dog, which you can pick up at your leisure ;o)
I'm still quizzing him as to the date and so forth. Thanks a million everyone.
67
posted on
01/01/2005 12:57:09 PM PST
by
Jaysun
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To: Jaysun
Not an unusual style of grip for the time at all. This is a S&W single shot, and I have also seen them on S&W revolvers (.22) of the period.
68
posted on
01/01/2005 1:05:54 PM PST
by
Tijeras_Slim
(Mrs. Slim bought all new faucets for the house.)
To: Tijeras_Slim
Nice pic. Thanks, none of us had seen one. Everyone thought the grips were a later addition.
69
posted on
01/01/2005 1:08:03 PM PST
by
Jaysun
(DEMOCRATS: "We need to be more effective at fooling people.")
To: Jaysun
Check out the gun on the bottom. It was sent in by our new FRiend Toyboys. He says it's a "trapper" by Harrington & Richardson and it looks to be an exact match to me - bizarre grip and all. Good call neverdem, enigma825, and wardaddy! I don't need no fat head for the New Year. No thank you. It's not exact, close, but no cigar. The differences in cylinder and spindle length are the most obvious. There are a number of other more subtle differences in shape of the cylinder, receiver or frame(whatever), hammer and pin location. Good luck. Maybe they are related. Happy New Year!
70
posted on
01/01/2005 1:24:29 PM PST
by
neverdem
(May you be in heaven a half hour before the devil knows that you're dead.)
To: neverdem
It's not exact, close, but no cigar. The differences in cylinder and spindle length are the most obvious. There are a number of other more subtle differences in shape of the cylinder, receiver or frame(whatever), hammer and pin location.
I'm not expecting to receive the photographer of the year award, which may be the problem. I've held my pistol to the screen and I'm telling ya, they're "dead nuts" as we say in the construction industry. Thanks.
71
posted on
01/01/2005 1:27:57 PM PST
by
Jaysun
(DEMOCRATS: "We need to be more effective at fooling people.")
To: Jaysun
Your saying the 2 in the pic in # 67 are the same ?
72
posted on
01/01/2005 1:55:03 PM PST
by
Squantos
(Be polite. Be professional. But, have a plan to kill everyone you meet. ©)
To: Squantos; neverdem
Your saying the 2 in the pic in # 67 are the same ?
No. (neverdem, perhaps this is the source of our confusion). Both of those pistols belong to him - that's his (toyboys) picture. I'm saying the lower pistol in his picture matches mine. Look at the original pictures that I posted and I think you'll see.
73
posted on
01/01/2005 3:05:32 PM PST
by
Jaysun
(DEMOCRATS: "We need to be more effective at fooling people.")
To: Jaysun
74
posted on
01/01/2005 3:18:25 PM PST
by
Squantos
(Be polite. Be professional. But, have a plan to kill everyone you meet. ©)
To: Jaysun
Wow....mystery solved! The power of FR! I did "sort" of think it looked like an H&R, but wasn't certain enough to say. :-)
75
posted on
01/01/2005 3:26:39 PM PST
by
hiredhand
( "Pudge the Indestructible Kitty" lives at - http://www.justonemorefarm.com)
To: hiredhand
Wow....mystery solved! The power of FR! I did "sort" of think it looked like an H&R, but wasn't certain enough to say. :-)
It's wonderful. I'm astonished. Next time, don't be so reluctant to speak your mind. I never hold guesses (except for football game predictions that prove incorrect) over anyone's head. Happy New Year!
76
posted on
01/01/2005 3:30:28 PM PST
by
Jaysun
(DEMOCRATS: "We need to be more effective at fooling people.")
To: Jaysun
It's wonderful. I'm astonished. Next time, don't be so reluctant to speak your mind. I never hold guesses (except for football game predictions that prove incorrect) over anyone's head. Happy New Year!
Yes! A lot of expertise in many areas on FR! Next time I WILL speak out even if it's a shot in the dark.
Happy New Year to you and yours too! :-)
77
posted on
01/01/2005 3:38:28 PM PST
by
hiredhand
( "Pudge the Indestructible Kitty" lives at - http://www.justonemorefarm.com)
To: Jaysun
Sorry about the confusion... The gun on top is a H&R Trapper. The gun on bottom is a NEWPORT. Stamped on top just like yours says Scout. I Originally purchased it as a Trapper, But learned that they were made in Newport not to far from H&R factory.. Thats all I could find out about It.. Good luck with your Hunting Toyboys
78
posted on
01/01/2005 5:30:44 PM PST
by
Toyboys
(Here is my Newport and my Trapper. My cylinder rotates when not cocked also..)
To: Jaysun
Obviously, these two guns are not identical. There are major design differences that, as a gun expert, I would consider exclusive to each gun. There are many frame differences between the top gun and the one similar to yours. The trigger guards have distinctly different shapes. The hammer pin is distinctly forward of the triggerguard pin on the top gun but more toward the rear on the lower gun.
The gun on the top is a fairly common Harrington and Richardson Trapper model.
The gun on the bottom is, to all appearances, identical with your gun.
If it is indeed a "Newport" (and I can find no reference to such a maker) then this is more evidence that your gun is what I said it was: a gun made for a reseller... and so is this one. The "Newport" is likely another "brand name" made by the Iver Johnson Company. The fact that we have two identical guns, one branded "Scout" and one branded "Newport" would indicate that it ISN'T a model that was an "in-house" model that was sold under the maker's actual name.
79
posted on
01/01/2005 8:53:57 PM PST
by
Swordmaker
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To: Swordmaker
I should have been more clear. First, the picture showing the two guns together was posted by another FReeper. I wasn't comparing the two guns in the picture to each other. Rather, I was comparing the bottom gun in his picture with my gun. If you look at my gun and the bottom gun in his picture you'll see that they're a match. Sorry for the confusion.
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posted on
01/01/2005 9:13:23 PM PST
by
Jaysun
(DEMOCRATS: "We need to be more effective at fooling people.")
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