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Refs were far from Super in this one
msn sports ^ | 2.06.2006 | Kevin Hench / FOXSports.com

Posted on 02/06/2006 6:50:28 AM PST by RedBloodedAmerican

This is the space where I get to crow about the frightening precision of my Super Bowl prediction.

Where I get to remind everyone that I guaranteed the Steelers would win the title after they beat the Colts. That they were the only championship-caliber team among the final four. That they would dismantle the Broncos in Denver and waylay whomever the NFC sent at them.

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I've never felt so empty being right. I feel dirty. I wish I'd been wrong. The Steelers did not deserve to win this game. They were not the better team. O'Connor was right. Seattle was the better team.

So, Paul Tagliabue, how does a team lose when it outgains an opponent by 57 yards, controls time of possession and wins the turnover battle?

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Every single questionable, marginal or outright bad call went against the Seahawks....

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To: clawrence3

The line of the plane is not the side closest to the end zone – it is the side closest to the playing field.


181 posted on 02/06/2006 8:29:18 AM PST by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink.)
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To: z3n

Officiating in college hoops has always been suspect. Back in the '80's, the University of Memphis, (then Memphis State University), had one of the best college centers in Keith Lee. they also had another game breaker in Bobby Parks. In the NCAA tournament, in Lee's senior year, the Memphis State tigers played the LSU Tigers. Memphis State was maintaining slight control of the game in the first half. In the second half that all changed. I am not lying when I say this, but EVERY trip down court for Memphis State was met with a foul. Lee had one foul on him in the first half. The refs sent him to the bench early in the second half. He had fouled out. The refs then went after Parks. Park was saddled with four for most of the second half end eventually fouled out. All the while LSU gathered much needed steam and beat MSU.

So, to me, officiating has always been suspect. Hoops, football, whatever. And the he!! of it is is that there's no real way on the horizon to change it.


182 posted on 02/06/2006 8:29:56 AM PST by NCC-1701 (RADICAL ISLAM IS A CULT. IT MUST BE ELIMINATED.)
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To: Terabitten
What are you talking about? I was speaking in general terms, not about any specific play

Not sure which post your referencing.

183 posted on 02/06/2006 8:30:19 AM PST by Echo Talon
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To: in hoc signo vinces

"maybe you should lay off the vision distorting illicit medications...eh?"

NEVER!

BTW I was watching the game on my 30" widescreen high def TV, not some 19" Magnetbox made in 1996. I can't watch da foosball without high def anymore. It's amazing.


184 posted on 02/06/2006 8:31:33 AM PST by BadAndy (The DemocRATs are the enemy's most effective weapon.)
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To: Terabitten
A friend of mine is in a business group with a guy in the insurance business who works as an NFL official. What these guys go through every week between games is unbelievable. The league office closely scrutinizes each and every game, and requires each crew to be available for a review session to address particularly controversial calls.

There was a game between the Giants and Cowboys about 10-15 years ago in which the officials mistakenly awarded the Giants a safety on a kickoff that had been fumbled into the end zone and downed by the Dallas kick returner. The on-field officials got the call wrong, and yet it was upheld after review in the officials' box. The entire crew of replay officials from that game was fired before the following weekend.

185 posted on 02/06/2006 8:32:15 AM PST by Alberta's Child (Leave a message with the rain . . . you can find me where the wind blows.)
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To: dfwgator

"The Steeler defender was also clutching Jackson as well."

Now you are just being delusional.


186 posted on 02/06/2006 8:32:45 AM PST by BadAndy (The DemocRATs are the enemy's most effective weapon.)
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To: kevkrom

Wasn't he a quarterback back in college?


187 posted on 02/06/2006 8:32:50 AM PST by clawrence3
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To: Alberta's Child

The guy who called the interception by the Steelers in the Colt's game was a high school principal. There was a story about it, because his house was vandalized after the game. They weren't sure if it was students or Steelers fans.


188 posted on 02/06/2006 8:34:14 AM PST by Richard Kimball (Look, Daddy! Teacher says every time a Kennedy talks, a Republican gets a house seat!)
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To: kevkrom

That's a good point, but we will never know now.


189 posted on 02/06/2006 8:34:28 AM PST by clawrence3
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To: R. Scott
From what I saw about half the ball was over the plane before he was down

Boy, you musta had Super High-Def TV at your place. Everyone at our place watching on High-Def all agreed that the QBs arm all but obscured the view of the ball, and we ALL also agreed that his elbow was over, but the ball was in his gut, about 6-12 inches BEHIND the elbow.

To be fair, though, the concensus was that whatever they called on the field would ultimately stand, because there seemed no replay angle that was definitive one way or the other.

190 posted on 02/06/2006 8:34:51 AM PST by ssaftler (Politically Correct isn't! Progressives aren't!)
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To: Echo Talon
I can't say this is a definitive source, but according to this site "down by contact" requires (Rule 7, Section 4, Article I):

Note that last sentence: The contact by the defense player must be the cause of the runner going down. Hasslebeck was already going down before the incidental contact and was no longer in contact with the defnder when he hit the ground. Unless this is an outdated version of the rule, he was not down by contact when he hit the ground and subsequently fumbled. The original call of a fumble recovered by Pittsburgh should have stood.

191 posted on 02/06/2006 8:35:36 AM PST by kevkrom ("...no one has ever successfully waged a war against stupidity" - Orson Scott Card)
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To: Alberta's Child
A friend of mine is in a business group with a guy in the insurance business who works as an NFL official. What these guys go through every week between games is unbelievable. The league office closely scrutinizes each and every game, and requires each crew to be available for a review session to address particularly controversial calls.

There was a game between the Giants and Cowboys about 10-15 years ago in which the officials mistakenly awarded the Giants a safety on a kickoff that had been fumbled into the end zone and downed by the Dallas kick returner. The on-field officials got the call wrong, and yet it was upheld after review in the officials' box. The entire crew of replay officials from that game was fired before the following weekend.

That's good, and they *should* have been fired. However, it has the effect of replacing them with even *less* experienced officials.

192 posted on 02/06/2006 8:39:14 AM PST by Terabitten (The only time you can have too much ammunition is when you're swimming.)
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To: R. Scott

I know where the line of the plane is - as someone just pointed out to you - I think that was his elbow and shirt you saw, not the ball. That being said, I agree it was not conclusive during the replay and therefore the call stands.


193 posted on 02/06/2006 8:40:17 AM PST by clawrence3
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To: R. Scott
I think the TD call was actually a "two wrongs DO make a right" type of situation. The referee came in to mark the ball down, as can be clearly seen when he runs in with his right arm pointing down. Then he saw the ball over the plane (shoved there by Roth after he was down) and called TD. On the replay, I was pretty sure Roth got about 1/16 of the ball over the imaginary plane before being shoved back. What the ref called a TD wasn't a TD, but Roth scored on the play earlier and the ref didn't notice.

One point also, the game was very sloppy. Neither side played well, and sloppy games are tougher to officiate. I just thought the officiating was even worse than the game play.

194 posted on 02/06/2006 8:40:30 AM PST by Richard Kimball (Look, Daddy! Teacher says every time a Kennedy talks, a Republican gets a house seat!)
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To: kevkrom

Of course, that contact was not the cause - but didn't someone above point out the "bad" call ended up worse for Seattle?


195 posted on 02/06/2006 8:42:34 AM PST by clawrence3
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To: RedBloodedAmerican; scott says; mainepatsfan; cgk; Petronski

I have 2 calls that I see that didn't make much sense. Only one of them really changed an outcome of the game.

The 1st call that didn't make any sense but didn't really change anything was the "illegal block" on the QB of the Seahawks. HE WAS PLAYING FRIKIN DEFENSE!! He wasn't blocking anyone.

The 2nd call was the TD scored by the Pittsburgh QB. They couldn't reverse it. There was nothing there to reverse it on. However, had they called him down at the 1 inch line, I don't think they would have reversed that either.

The Offensive PI in the endzone was textbook.

The holding call on Seattle when they got down to the 1 was outright wrong, however, I think they got the number wrong. There WAS holding in the middle of the line. If the number was correct, it's wrong, but if it wasn't, then there's a chance it was right on the money.

So I guess that's 3 calls. So sue me. It doesn't really matter, the game sucked, the entertainment sucked, and there weren't NEARLY enough cheerleader shots.


196 posted on 02/06/2006 8:43:50 AM PST by MikefromOhio
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To: Richard Kimball

I think that "1/16 of the ball" was his elbow and shirt - the problem on replay was you could NOT see where the ball was - therefore, the call stands.


197 posted on 02/06/2006 8:45:07 AM PST by clawrence3
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To: clawrence3
Of course, that contact was not the cause - but didn't someone above point out the "bad" call ended up worse for Seattle?

Two different situations. The one I'm referring to was a play where Pittsbugh was (correctly) ruled to have recovered a Hasslebeck fumble, and then the play was (incorrectly) overturned on replay because of a bad "down by contact" call.

The other case was where a receiver caught and then fumbled a ball that was ruled incomplete (no chance for review). While some may say that because the ball eventually went out of bounds, this actually went against Seattle, the only reason the ball was let go out of bounds was that players pulled up when they heard the whistle.

198 posted on 02/06/2006 8:45:17 AM PST by kevkrom ("...no one has ever successfully waged a war against stupidity" - Orson Scott Card)
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To: kevkrom

That's what I thought : )


199 posted on 02/06/2006 8:47:28 AM PST by clawrence3
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To: the OlLine Rebel
Not true. Even if that 1 single call for a touchdown were allowed and all else was the same, Steelers still would have won by 4.

Actually, the non-holding holding penalty on the pass to the 2 yard line was worse. The "blocking below the waist" intercepion tackle was part of the blown holding call's aftermath, and Pittsburgh was only up 4 at that point.

The calls - all of the 5 big ones - changed the complexion of the game. The Roethlesberger (sp?) TD wasn't overturned because there wasn't enough evidence on tape, IMO. The line judge's reactions were not considered (he was running in to spot the ball, then signalled TD after big Ben moved it).

The end zone interference call was ticky-tack, and counter to most of the rest of the game's methodology. Inconsistent.

The holding penalty (that wasn't) speaks for itself. Instead of 1st and goal on the 2, it's second (I think) and 20.

The Hasselback tackling below the waist penalty was beyond ridiculous, and certainly made the game-clinching TD easier (although there is nothing but conjecture regarding the Steelers' ability to head down the field at that point). But - because of the previous phantom holding call - that pass should never have been thrown.

The Hasselback fumble was handled correctly, IMO. The ruling on the field was overturned because of incontrovertible evidence.

Lastly, I am a Jets fan. I have been since Richard Todd was their quarterback. I wish the big game this year had been super, though. I hate to see the stripes affect the outcome of a game so heavily - and with such HUGE swings of momentum - as we did yesterday.

In this big game, everyone loses.

200 posted on 02/06/2006 8:48:31 AM PST by MortMan (There is no substitute for victory.)
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