Vanity: Need help find article that argues that women's pay may be less due to less experience.

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[John Galt's cousin]

I need some freeper help. I was having a discussion with a friend about equal pay for women (she is earning less than she should, but that is not the immediate issue) and I mentioned I had read an article that referred to a study that suggested that the disparity in women's pay may be due - at least statistically - to women having less time at the job because of child care, etc. i can't find the article.

Does anyone remember seeing it? If so, can you please send a link?

Thanks

[Txsleuth]

I know it has to do with a speech that Lawrence Summers gave..he was President of Harvard, I think...

I am SURE a freeper will help more than me, though, sorry.

[DTogo]

Rush Limbaugh often talks about this.

[mnehring]

http://www.statcan.ca/Daily/English/991220/d991220a.htm

[Rockitz]

Sorry dude. All the research is done by feminist researchers that don't care if that's the case or not.

[KarinG1]

Try here:

http://www.google.com/search?q=women+pay+experience&sourceid=opera&num=75&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8

I'm going to have plastic surgery done so I'll stop looking so much like a search engine.

[Quilla]

Bookmarking, as lurker son is preparing term paper on this exact subject.

[goodnesswins]

Look here.....

http://www.iwf.org/issues/issues_list.asp?sType=73

[Shalom Israel]

A better discussion is in Walter Block's paper, "Discrimination: An Interdisciplinary Analysis" (available in PDF). His essential argument is that the inequality disappears if you correct for married women leaving the workforce, entering late, etc.

[jla]

Mrs. Schlafly may be of some help.
try one of these Eagle Forum searches.

...and your friend might also avail herself of Phyllis Schlafly's books.

[John Galt's cousin]

thanks that seems to address the issue.

I may be a closet sexist pig, but I don't think it is fair that my son will be hindered by some unproven allegation that there is widspread gender discrimination, particularly when the allegation is based upon 'unequal results' rather than facts.

(On the other hand, when my daughter joins the work-force, my position will be re-evaluated) 8^)

[mnehring]

It has nothing to do with sexism, it is purely statistics.

[Serenissima Venezia]

Try "Why Men Earn More: The Startling Truth Behind the Pay Gap And What Women Can Do About It" by Warren Farrell.

In it, Farrell compares the starting salaries for women and men with Bachelor’s Degrees in 26 categories of employment, from investment banker to dietician. Women are paid equally in one category; in every other category, their starting salaries exceed men’s. A female investment banker’s starting salary is 116 percent of a man’s. A female dietician’s is 130 percent; that is, $23,160 compared to $17,680.

Next, Farrell analyzes the data that does reflect a wage gap. But rather than seeing oppression in the data, he perceives free choice. He argues: women commonly prefer jobs with shorter and more flexible hours to accommodate the demands of family. Compared to men, they generally favor jobs that involve little danger, no travel and good social skills. Such jobs generally pay less.

According to the Bureau of Labor Statistics, full-time men clock an average of 45 hours a week, while women put in 42 hours. Men are more than twice as likely as women to work at least 50 hours a week.

Women’s lifestyle choices partly explain their absence from certain professions, especially dangerous ones. Men represent 92 percent of all occupational deaths. Why? Because if you look at a list of the most hazardous occupations -- fire fighting, truck driving, construction, and mining -- they have 96-98 percent male employees, according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics.

I started looking into this information because, as a female engineer, I didn't see any difference in the pay between my male and female coworkers - except for those that chose to take time off from work for children, chose not to accept jobs that required travel, chose not to pursue higher degrees... It was all a matter of choice, so their whining about how unfair it all was really made me angry (among both men and women)!

[John Galt's cousin]

You guys are great. Thank you. I will look through these tonight ( I have to go back to work before my boss decides to pay me for performance. )

Thanks again.

[Serenissima Venezia]

I already assume that my son will be discriminated against. When he doesn't want to study, I remind him that as a white male, he has to be at least 125% as qualified as a minority or female to be able to compete. (This excludes asian minorities, of course, because they can succeed without goverment intervention.)

[John Galt's cousin]

BINGO

I must have read a review of this book (probably here).

Thanks

[SevenMinusOne]

The reality is IF women were actually paid less (75% of what a man makes is around the typically figure thrown out) simply for being a "women".....what those of this mindset are suggesting economically is....that businesses could cut their labor costs by almost a third!! simply by hiring women.

If this were evenly remotely true....there wouldn't be an employed man...nor an unemployed women in America.

The reality is there is a whole range of tangible reasons why people are paid more or less. Simply being a "women" isn't one of them.

[Serenissima Venezia]

Your link has a link to a really good article. I had forgotten - since it's been at least 2 decades - that I was typically the only female in my engineering classes, especially by the junior and senior classes.

Most females I knew had dropped out to major in something easier. Wimps!

[kcbc2001]

I have a male friend who's a stay at home dad because his wife makes a lot more money than he did.

Your pay depends on your position, the field you get into, whether or not you are a contractor or a full employee of a company. Also, I've worked in companies where raises were automatic and I've worked for companies where they aren't. It's not just whether you are female. Sometimes women don't ask for what they really want (sound familiar guys!) and then they get mad because they coulda, shoulda, woulda asked, but didn't. And then they complain that the raise they got was crappy too!

[goodnesswins]

You go, girl!