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Supposed Cause of Morgellons found

Posted on 09/28/2006 9:22:11 PM PDT by Scythian

Sorry about the caps, this is the way it was posted:

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I HAVE BEEN DOING AN ETIOLOGY OF MORGELLONS

MY FINDINGS ARE VERY IMPORTANT FOR ALL AFFECTED WITH THIS NEW DISEASE (MUTATION). I AM 99.9% POSITIVE OF MY FINDINGS FOR ALL AFFECTED IT IS VERY IMPORTANT TO HAVE A GENETIC/DNA TEST DONE(PERFORMED BY THE *BLAST METHOD*) TO FIND OUT YOUR GENETIC STATUS

ALL MORGELLON SUFFERES WILL FIND THAT THEY HAVE A PLANT GENE GROWING IN THEM IT IS CAUSED BY USE OF GMO'S(GENETICALLY MODOFIED ORGANISM'S) THAT ARE IN 68% OF USA'S FOOD CHAIN IT IS PRODUCED BY THE USE OF *AGROBACTERIUM TI* THAT IS USED FOR PURPOSES OF PLANT BREEDING

IT HAS ALSO BEEN PROVED BY A GERMAN DOCTOR AND HIS COLLEAGES BACK IN 2001 TO HAVE A MUTATION WITH HUMAN DNA WHEN PUT TOGETHER IN A PETRI DISH THE *AGROBACTERIUM TI(TI STANDS FOR TUMOR INDUCING)-DNA ATTACHES ITSELF TO HUMAN DNA AGROBACTERIUM IS MADE UP OF DIFFERENT PROMOTERS AND GENES

--CaMV 35S(CAULIFLOWER MOSAIC VIRUS)-A PROMOTER KAN GENE(FOR RESISTANCE TO ANTIBIOTICS) PAL-840-(FROM A PLANT CASSAVA) GUS-( A PROMOTER USED AS A VISUAL MARKER-PRODUCES STRONG COLORS)

THIS IS THEN PUT IN A BACTERIUM---E COLI FOR GROWTH (MULTIPLICATION THAT IS ACTUALLY GROWN IN KANOMYCIN--AN ANTIBIOTIC--INSURING THAT ONLY STRONGEST CELLS SURVIVE) WE THE CONSUMERS EAT PRODUCTS ON A DAILY BASIS THAT CONTAIN THESE GENETICS--THE FDA APPROVED IT--ALL TO MAKE THE BIG BUCK

IT IS MOST URGENT THAT IF YOU ARE A MORGELLON SUFFERER YOU NEED TO HAVE THIS TEST PERFORMED ASAP WE ALSO NEED TO BAND TOGETHER TO GET LEGISLATURE TO PASS A BILL MANDATING THE LABELLING ON ALL FOOD THAT USES GMO'S IT WILL BE DEVASTATING IN THE YEARS TO COME I AM PURSUING THAT AVENUE ALSO WE ACTUALLY NEED TO STOP ALL THIS BIOTECHNOLOGY ALL TOGETHER AS SOON AS THIS ALL COMES OUT IN THE OPEN I BELIEVE THERE WILL BE CONSEQUENCES TO BE PAID I'M TALKING MASS LAWSUIT---ENOUGH SAID TO ALL MORGELLON SUFFERERS HELP IS ON THE WAY

IT IS NOT A PARASITE NOR WORMS IT IS NOT A BUG NOR IS IT CATCHY

THIS MUTATION THAT I SPEAK OF IS A STRAIN FROM THE GMO*AGROBACTERIUM TI*

TO FIND OUT IF YOU HARBOR IT YOU SIMPLY HAVE A DNA TEST PERFORMED IT IS REAL---I KNOW MY SISTER HAS IT--AS WELL AS 3 OTHERS I KNOW ONE A NURSE THE OTHER A DOCTOR IT IS NOT A DELUSIONAL PROBLEM----ALTHOUGH IF I HAD IT --IT WOULD DRIVE ME THERE!!

I'VE WRITTEN TO THE FDA---THERE RESPONSE WAS THAT IF SOMEONE WILL BE GETTING FINGERS POINTED AT IT WILL BE THE INDIVIDUAL MANUFACTURERS NOT THE FDA

I THINK WE CAN SEE BY THIS REACTION THEY KNOW IT'S COMING!!

PEOPLE---WE NEED TO NOT LET THE UNEDUCATED AND UNAWARE BRING YOU DOWN---DO NOT LET THEIR HARSH WORDS UPSET YOU ---THEY ONLY DO NOT UNDERSTAND

BUT---DOWN THE ROAD WHEN IT HAPPENS TO THEM OR THEIR LOVED ONES THEY WILL THEN FEEL MORE INFORMED AND NOT SOO IGNORENT

ALSO MANY MORGELLON SUFFERERS ARE BEING DIAGNOSED WITH SUPPOSED LYME DISEASE WHICH THEY FIND IN BLOOD SAMPLES MY RESEARCH ON THIS IS THE BACTERIA THEY FIND IN THE BLOOD THAT IS CAUSED BY *COLLEMBOLA* NOW SEE IF YOU CAN PRONOUNCE THIS BABY***BACTERIA STRENOTROPHOMONAS MALTOPHILIA** IS ALSO DERIVED FROM----PLANTS

MONICA Posted by MONICA VALITON in MASSACHUSETS on Tue Sep 26, 2006 at 04:49 AM

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"Tumor-Causing Plant Bacteria May Infect Human Cells"

Emma Patten Reuters Health News January 31, 2001

NEW YORK - A soil bacterium that causes lumpy tumors on plants may be able to 'jump kingdoms' and insert its tumor-causing DNA into human cells, new research findings suggest. The bacterium, called Agrobacterium tumefaciens, contains a small piece of DNA that can insert itself into the DNA of a host cell and initiate a tumor. Agrobacterium is already known to cause plant tumors, but researchers wanted to test whether the bacterium could similarly insert its DNA into human cells.

Dr. Vitaly Citovsky from the State University of New York, Stony Brook, and colleagues found that the plant bacterium was able to attach to human cells and insert its DNA into human cells just as it does with plant cells. Whether Agrobacterium is dangerous to humans is unclear, however. "Here (insertion of DNA into) human cells has been observed in laboratory conditions; whether it may be relevant biologically in nature remains unknown," the researchers note in the current early edition of the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences.

"Our experiments were done under laboratory conditions," Citovsky told Reuters Health. "In nature, I do not believe Agrobacterium represents a danger. However, for people who work with large concentrations of this bacterium, for example researchers or certain agricultural workers who deal with heavily infected plants, it may be prudent to be careful or at least aware,'' he said.

One implication of this study, said Citovsky, is the potential for genetic flow between bacteria and animals. Another implication is that the basic biochemical and cellular reactions involved in the Agrobacterium-plant cell interaction probably exist in the animal kingdom as well.

"Presently, it appears that Agrobacterium is the only example of trans-kingdom DNA transfer," Citovsky said. "I do not rule out other possibilities but there are no data. Of course, what can be done once, can almost always be done again," he added.

SOURCE: Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences Early Edition

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From The Institute of Science in Society

Until quite recently, the genetic engineering community has assumed that Agrobacterium does not infect animal cells, and certainly would not transfer genes into them. But this has been proved wrong.

A paper published earlier this year reports that T-DNA can be transferred to the chromosomes of human cancer cells [1]. In fact, Agrobacterium attaches to and genetically transforms several types of human cells. The researchers found that in stably transformed HeLa cells, the integration event occurred at the right border of the Ti plasmid's T-DNA, exactly as would happen when it is being transferred into a plant cell genome. This suggests that Agrobacterium transforms human cells by a mechanism similar to that which it uses for transformation of plants cells.

See http://depts.washington.edu/agro/


TOPICS: Conspiracy; Food; Weird Stuff
KEYWORDS: agrobacterium; fda; gene; genetics; gmo; health; medicine; morgellons

1 posted on 09/28/2006 9:22:12 PM PDT by Scythian
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To: Scythian
"GENETICALLY MODOFIED ORGANISM'S"

O-kay...

2 posted on 09/28/2006 9:25:53 PM PDT by HAL9000 (Get a Mac - The Ultimate FReeping Machine)
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To: Scythian

sounds like sample contamination to me...


3 posted on 09/28/2006 9:26:13 PM PDT by Libertarian4Bush (the underwear goes UNDER the pants! that's why they call it under-******-wear!)
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To: Scythian

Is this in any way related to The Attack of the Killer Tomatoes? It could be we have another terrorist problem on our hands, at least as dangerous, but very much more insidious, than that of the Islamofascists.


4 posted on 09/28/2006 9:28:09 PM PDT by Jack Hammer
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To: Jack Hammer

Ya, joke all you want until you see your children covered in sores and suffering terribly, it's all real funny, ha ha ha, we don't have it so let's poke fun at these poor miserable saps right? Let me tell you, I know from experience, it's a living hell and spreading fast, you might just get a chance to find out, then we'll see how funny it is.


5 posted on 09/28/2006 9:30:22 PM PDT by Scythian
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To: Scythian

Smiling...I like your profile page.
Sci Fi?


6 posted on 09/28/2006 9:30:37 PM PDT by Cindy
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To: Jack Hammer

Not a real disease....This needs to be pulled.


7 posted on 09/28/2006 9:31:09 PM PDT by TortReformer
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To: HAL9000

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8 posted on 09/28/2006 9:31:44 PM PDT by Lurker (islam is not a religion. It's the new face of Fascism in our time. We ignore it at our peril.)
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To: Lurker

Beat me by like 30 secs!!!!



"Lordy, don't it itch!!!"


9 posted on 09/28/2006 9:34:50 PM PDT by djf (BREAKING NEWS: "I just took a dump. Muslims offended!!!")
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To: Scythian

I suspect it's as least as likely I'll get it some day as it is that you'll get yourself a sense of humor. In other words - no chance at all.


10 posted on 09/28/2006 9:34:55 PM PDT by Jack Hammer
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To: Scythian

I know a lady that just had a ton of blood work done and urine analysis work, it all came back as plant material, the doctors are real confused, I wrote to one of the labs capable of doing a required sophisticated test, they at first reponded in just fine, when I told them that I thought I knew that this was the cause of Morgellons I got another email, very threatening and I never wrote back to them as it scared the crap out of me, I still have the email in fact, needless to say there is a lot going on here, even the CDC is dragging this out try to avoid getting into the middle of this.


11 posted on 09/28/2006 9:35:45 PM PDT by Scythian
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To: Scythian
It looks like someone has made a connection between a study concerning a plant gene, and Morgellons, when the study said nothing about Morgellons.

In general, with curious diseases like Morgellons, I tend to give more credence to the sufferers than to sceptical doctors and scientists. In the case of chronic fatigue syndrome, for example, the CDC clearly made the assumption that it was a psychosomatic illness before they examined any cases. This was unscientific and they were eventually proven wrong.

After reading about Morgellons though, and looking at some pictures, I really began to wonder myself if it was more mental than physical. In particular, there did not seem to be any consistency in the "fibers" that are claimed to emanate from the patients' skin.

12 posted on 09/28/2006 9:50:11 PM PDT by wideminded
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To: Scythian
Ok, it all seems interesting. I have heard of the disease once or twice. So say that this disease is caused by the bacteria that inserts itself into your DNA, is there a treatment? Can antibiotics help? Will a change of diet take care of it? Or is it once you have it you always will?
The all caps part seems to come from a sufferer with the mental part. The other sources sound, at face value, to indicate that this has some factual basis.
Would be interesting to know if this is a result of genetic engineering of our food supply or instead a result of changing demographics bringing in exotic disease we haven't seen before.
13 posted on 09/28/2006 9:50:58 PM PDT by IrishCatholic (No local communist or socialist party chapter? Join the Democrats, it's the same thing.)
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To: IrishCatholic

http://ws.cc.stonybrook.edu/biochem/BIOCHEM/facultypages/citovsky/

We don't know if this is the root cause yet, however, diet does help. On the forums there are new folks showing up every day, this is spreading at an incredible rate. Fenbendazole is very effective, it's a dog wormer, however, a very effective anti-fungal, one of the best and most safe. Yes, that's right, a dog wormer. However, diet plays a big role, things like Cat's Claw, Graviola, Cinammon and clove tea, and other strong anti-fungals like garlic, MSM, and prescriptions like Difulcan, if it's anti-fungal it helps, mites and worms it is believed are attracted to sufferers to feed on the fungas, collembola (springtails) might play a role. I was very bad off 5 months ago, now you wouldn't know it to look at me, however, doctors have been know help, we have to self treat with herbs, lotions, and other things.

I am not advocating anyone take anything here at all, especially wormers and things, wait for a cure if you are a sufferer, excercise, don't panic, do anti-fungal diets and herbs and teas, sun on the skin helps alot.


14 posted on 09/28/2006 9:59:51 PM PDT by Scythian
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To: Scythian

Another warning about this stuff they are growing in our food, it crosses into animals and grows plan like structures in humans and animals.

http://www.i-sis.org.uk/mehd3.php

Fungia grow hyphae, (fiber like filaments) and these things branch out all through the human body, I'll post more tomorrow.


15 posted on 09/28/2006 10:10:38 PM PDT by Scythian
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To: Scythian

EWWWWWWWWWW I feel bad for anyone who gets this. I saw a show on it and the dr's were saying that the people had mental problems. Yet they admitted that fibers were coming out of the people. Is it spread across the whole country? The show I saw awhile back said most of the people were by the mexican border states. Just wondering.


16 posted on 09/28/2006 10:14:19 PM PDT by pandoraou812 ( barbaric with zero tolerance and dilligaf?)
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To: Scythian
*BUMP*! and Fear Mongering *BUMP*! < /sarcasm>
17 posted on 09/28/2006 11:01:56 PM PDT by ex-Texan (Matthew 7: 1 - 6)
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To: Scythian
This is not possible. It violates "intelligent design".

It violates "irreducible complexity" and "specified complex specificity".

18 posted on 09/28/2006 11:43:02 PM PDT by thomaswest (Just curious.)
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To: TortReformer

It's debatable, but even so, why pull it? Some are interested in discussing it.


19 posted on 09/29/2006 1:58:54 AM PDT by kenth (There are three kinds of people in the world. Those who can count, and those who can't.)
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To: NormsRevenge; neverdem; BearWash

morgellons ping


20 posted on 09/29/2006 2:00:39 AM PDT by kenth (There are three kinds of people in the world. Those who can count, and those who can't.)
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To: Scythian

Oh crap, I feel bugs crawling under my skin.


21 posted on 09/29/2006 2:03:03 AM PDT by Pro-Bush (Wait your turn)
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To: little jeremiah

ping


22 posted on 09/29/2006 5:17:18 AM PDT by ukie55
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To: pandoraou812
I feel bad for anyone who gets this. I saw a show on it and the dr's were saying that the people had mental problems. Yet they admitted that fibers were coming out of the people.

If I had fibers grwoing out of me, I'd have mental problems, too. Medical science needs to take a good hard look at this. How the heck can growing fibers be psychosomatic?!

23 posted on 09/29/2006 5:21:56 AM PDT by ukie55
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To: Scythian
Sorry about the caps, this is the way it was posted:

If I were you, and I were trying to get people to take this information seriously, I might spend the extra time to distill/edit/correct that part of the post - ESPECIALLY if it's the lead-in. The first impression an "all caps" posting leaves with most people is that the poster has become unhinged. I don't think that's the impression you're shooting for...
24 posted on 09/29/2006 5:42:24 AM PDT by beezdotcom
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To: ukie55

There's a freeper who has it, I hope I remember his name and ping him to this.


25 posted on 09/29/2006 9:21:54 AM PDT by little jeremiah
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To: TortReformer

YEAH!! YOU TRY LIVING WITH THIS CRAP AND SEE HOW IT ECCECTS YOURS, AND YOUR FAMILYS EVERYDAY LIFE.. I AM SLOWLY WATCHING US ALL GO DOWN HILL EVERY SINGLE DAY, AND NOBODY CAN GIVE US ANY ANSWERS!!! EVERYBODY THINKS YOUR CRAZY!! THIS WILL GET OUT TO THE POPULATION, IT IS JUST A MATTER OF TIME, SO I WOULD WATCH WHAT YOU ALL SAY!!


26 posted on 01/10/2007 9:44:13 AM PST by PossedOff
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To: PossedOff
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=7476596&dopt=Abstract

There is currently an unrecognized chapter in medical illnesses, occurring in living human beings, that defies recognition in explaining the diseases' origin and growth, and failing accurately to account for the pathophysiology involved. It is pertinent, therefore, to alert medical science, based upon facts as uncovered by my research studies (1-5), that plant bacterial spores can exist as a separate entity systemically. Being totally devoid of the presence of their adult origin, they can survive with a degree of viability. Ultimately, they may become embedded within, or nearby, a network of cells, consisting of the reticuloendothelial, squamous, or epithelial group. With an ensuing adequate but compatible circulating flow of blood by the host to the specific tissue site as muscles, bone, or bone marrow, it can thus lead to the various pathophysiological changes and illnesses that currently defy an accountable recognition.

Agrobacterium http://www.scq.ubc.ca/?p=518

Used in 60% of our food, proven to be able to make the cross kingdom jump, ie, plant growing in man, and we use it in our food now.

Finally, fungal/ linked to Hodgkin's lymphoma http://www.casadavida.com/cancer_and_fungi.htm
27 posted on 02/03/2007 8:17:40 PM PST by Scythian
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To: Scythian

If you are, or know anyone suffering from Morgellons disease, PLEASE send them this link. I have information on morgellons disease.

http://ghmd01.wordpress.com/2010/05/28/morgellons-disease/


28 posted on 05/28/2010 12:23:58 PM PDT by gh0001
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To: gh0001

I need more info on where to get this DNA test and what exactly to ask them for (type of test). I have suffered with this for years and have felt it was fungal or plant based as well as bacterial. This was due to medicines that patially helped but never cured this! I NEED help as lately the fatigue has TOTALLY overwhelmed me, as well as the pain in my joints and muscles! Skin lesions I have had on and off for years and although they are hideous and painful, I covered them the best I could with make-up and “carried on” with my life. The fatigue and pain has gradually become worse and now I cannot function hardly at all! Is there a way to cure this and how do I protect my family from it as they are not yet affected!


29 posted on 12/07/2010 9:38:23 PM PST by babyduck37
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