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Epidural Nation: 'Guys' created the problem.
Me ^ | 28 Oct 2006 | GoBucks

Posted on 10/27/2006 11:31:40 AM PDT by gobucks

Recently, my wife gave birth to our daughter. We used the Bradley Method: natural childbirth, no meds, no epidural, no pitocin. In a way, childbirth is like flying....

On a recent thread, I gave a brief birth story, designed to encourage other parents considering Bradley. But here, my aim is simple: a few words to convict the hearts of cowardly men who are unwilling to help their wives, and instead, weakly lean on medications to get them through the 'trauma' of childbirth. Yes, guys, exclusively, are the source of the epidural problem.

One could argue on and on that a woman is the one who has to bear the pain, the agony, of the contractions. That for men to even discuss this subject is silly at best, arrogantly patriarchal and insensitive in the worse direction.

But hear me: for a man to back down from the reality of the childbirth he initated is folly. Epidurals, pain meds, drugs, laughing gas ... whatever. Most of these 'interventions' are designed to perfectly numb the transformative experience childbirth is supposed to be. On the surface, of course, the doctors and hospitals want to minimize the 'pain' of childbirth - which they think will maximize the 'joy'.

But the truth is plainer. While the pain is muted, yes, the joy is muted far more. True, the child to mother bonding experience doesn't depend too much upon how many meds are involved.

But, Natural childbirth is about bonding, not just child to mother, but father to child and, more importantly, husband to wife (as the norm). Eagerly sought out epidural-childbirth, however, is a message from the Father to his family: "I don't have what it takes for the childbirth, and chances are good that pattern will remain henceforth regarding fatherhood and husbandry".

Natural childbirth is hard to pull off without the Dad being there, being supportive, being strong. And the fact is clear that if the Dad starts out in a mode of being supportive to the extent required by the Bradley method, then by implication, the coming years will show a Dad whose manhood supports a degree of Fathering that is beyond effective written description, to say nothing of the husbandry!

Of course, some Mothers reading this would argue that cutting out Dad is the idea all along, and a darn good idea. But these words are not for them...

These words are for those few guys out there who suspect deep in their hearts that there has got to be something more to living besides serial guy-driven exploits....

There is more to life than making 'mom' happy, indeed. Guys, another way to say this is: God didn't create you to be a life-support-system for a sperm donation machine, that coincidentally also brings home a paycheck. Husbandry is a noble calling, and stuffing your ears to avoid the calls is what boys, by default, do.

Stand up, and be MEN, you boys encased in the bodies of MEN. Stand up, unstuff your ears, and be the man your children can look up to.

One could argue that Epidural Nation, which is known as the USA, and the door mat that was once known as the WTC towers, have no connection to each other. But the men who flew those planes had no fear of us - and why not?

The kind of Men who fear the pain of helping their wives through the pain of childbirth are the kind of American Guys the hijackers evaluated as they planned their way to 9-11. The American Guys who, as a rule, were not, and still are not, man enough to inflict the kind of pain that SHOULD HAVE deterred the WTC attacks from the start. The kind of guys, for example, who empathize deeply with the 'struggles' guys like Bill Clinton endure.

For me, this has been the nagging question all along: what did those supposedly crazy men in the planes perceive was missing in the average heart of the "American Man"?

What did they witness that was missing such that these Arabic men had no fear of us, no fear for their homelands, no fear for their families, and felt free, felt bold enough, to attack us, the strongest nation the world has ever seen?

In short, just WHERE is the starting point for an 'American Man'? Why, the the birthing rooms of our nation of course - and who, I ask, is missing from these rooms?

American MEN are missing.

Good, loving, supportive guys are now present in the millions .... but they are chicken-hearted, and lazy, eager to get back to their dens, Lazy Boys, and remote controls. It is, indeed, football season, and Tressel's men are doing a great job.

But the football watchers? Those guys are setting a bad example, and they are making us more vulnerable, not less, to the attacks we have seen up to now.

The Epidurals are not the problem - the guys who lean on them are the problem. Men are the solution.

Stand up Men - and enter the birthing room as a man. Our Future Men depend on it.


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It is no wonder so many women want epidurals: if I were a typical woman, trapped on all sides by guys, I'd surrender to the interventions with eagerness myself.
1 posted on 10/27/2006 11:31:41 AM PDT by gobucks
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To: gobucks
While the pain is muted, yes, the joy is muted far more.

What an unadulterated, hippydippy load of quatsch.

2 posted on 10/27/2006 11:37:58 AM PDT by wideawake ("The nation which forgets its defenders will itself be forgotten." - Calvin Coolidge)
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To: gobucks

nonsense.


3 posted on 10/27/2006 11:38:39 AM PDT by NonValueAdded (Prayers for our patriot brother, 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub. Brian, we're all pulling for you!)
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To: NonValueAdded
Thank you.
4 posted on 10/27/2006 11:39:21 AM PDT by wideawake ("The nation which forgets its defenders will itself be forgotten." - Calvin Coolidge)
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To: wideawake

Ah, you have experienced fully natural childbirth, yes?


5 posted on 10/27/2006 11:41:27 AM PDT by gobucks (Blissful Marriage: A result of a worldly husband's transformation into the Word's wife.)
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To: gobucks
But hear me: for a man to back down from the reality of the childbirth he initated is folly.

I guess you adhere to the "this will hurt me more than it hurts you" philosophy? Such stoicism you demonstrate by denying pain relief for your wife!

6 posted on 10/27/2006 11:42:09 AM PDT by ahayes (On the internet no one can hear you scream.)
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To: gobucks
Ah, you have experienced fully natural childbirth, yes?

Let's point something out: You haven't.

7 posted on 10/27/2006 11:42:42 AM PDT by ahayes (On the internet no one can hear you scream.)
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"The kind of Men who fear the pain of helping their wives through the pain of childbirth are the kind of American Guys the hijackers evaluated as they planned their way to 9-11."

Quoted for utter psychoticism.


8 posted on 10/27/2006 11:44:17 AM PDT by ahayes (On the internet no one can hear you scream.)
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The issue can be construed that I promote denying 'pain relief'.

Wrong: I promote courage formation in the hearts of men - by them standing by their wives and helping them give birth naturally. It is not that I accuse women of wanting to avoid pain: that makes sense. It is how guys surrender their duty to pills and needles and let their wives bring their children into this world largely by themselves.

That is the nonsense I refer to....


9 posted on 10/27/2006 11:44:57 AM PDT by gobucks (Blissful Marriage: A result of a worldly husband's transformation into the Word's wife.)
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To: gobucks
My wife and I have had four children. The first and fourth were emergency situations requiring C-sections. For the second (natural) my wife demanded and received an epidural. The third child was born (naturally) in an emergency situation where there was no time for the epidural. She is still angry with her OB-GYN for not allowing her the epidural.
10 posted on 10/27/2006 11:45:09 AM PDT by rightsmart
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To: gobucks

dude...put down the pipe and slowly back away


11 posted on 10/27/2006 11:45:39 AM PDT by wallcrawlr
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To: ahayes

I did, I was there, and it was something we experienced together.

As it was DESIGNED to be experienced in my view.


12 posted on 10/27/2006 11:46:24 AM PDT by gobucks (Blissful Marriage: A result of a worldly husband's transformation into the Word's wife.)
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To: gobucks
While the pain is muted, yes, the joy is muted far more

Bwahahahahaha!!! I praise the doctor who took away my "joy".

13 posted on 10/27/2006 11:46:37 AM PDT by Millee (Tagline free since 10/20/06)
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To: gobucks

You don't think it's possible we might combine the two and have supportive men plus painkillers?

Perhaps we could hammer out a compromise in which women obtain pain relief and the men demonstrate how tough they are by having red-hot needles rammed under their nails while their wife gives birth?


14 posted on 10/27/2006 11:46:46 AM PDT by ahayes (On the internet no one can hear you scream.)
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To: gobucks

Your nociceptors really weren't firing as much as your wife's. You did not experience it.


15 posted on 10/27/2006 11:47:21 AM PDT by ahayes (On the internet no one can hear you scream.)
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To: wallcrawlr

LOL, of course, I recognize the winds blow hard in a contrary direction ... but, hey, someone has to stand and point out the obvious.


16 posted on 10/27/2006 11:47:34 AM PDT by gobucks (Blissful Marriage: A result of a worldly husband's transformation into the Word's wife.)
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To: gobucks

oh...i'm sure someone will show up and point it out to you


17 posted on 10/27/2006 11:49:20 AM PDT by wallcrawlr
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To: gobucks

The day a man can squirt a watermelon out through his penis...I will be more than happy to listen to his opinion on epidurals.
No offense. :o)

MM


18 posted on 10/27/2006 11:49:50 AM PDT by motormouth (Faith is a passionate intuition.)
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To: gobucks

I did without an epidural for medical reasons. I wish I could have done without pitocin, but it was required for all four of my babies. I do think more women could have unmedicated births, but that's a personal and a medical decision that is going to differ from woman to woman. No woman should feel guilty or inadequate because some birth plan didn't work for them. A healthy baby should be the goal -- not the use or nonuse of pain meds. My hubby was present at all four births. I squeezed his hand so tightly, he still hasn't regained full feeling in his hands. :-)


19 posted on 10/27/2006 11:50:31 AM PDT by Chanticleer (Courage is not simply one of the virtues but the form of every virtue at the testing point. Lewis)
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To: gobucks
Ah, you have experienced fully natural childbirth, yes?

My wife has had two epidurals and I was in the room assisting both of those deliveries.

I don't care a flying fig for your crunchy granola "natural" childbirth.

I am saying that if you think my wife or I felt any less joy for the birth of our little ones because she had epidurals, then you are a stupid assclown.

20 posted on 10/27/2006 11:51:10 AM PDT by wideawake ("The nation which forgets its defenders will itself be forgotten." - Calvin Coolidge)
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