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Michael Medved Loses His Cool Over North America Union (Corsi's Response)
Human Events ^ | 1/2/07 | Jerome R. Corsi

Posted on 01/02/2007 1:38:13 PM PST by Kimberly GG

"Film critic and talk show host Michael Medved has decided to put in print on Townhall.com the attack he has frequently broadcast on radio against those of us who are opposing the North American integration being pursued by the Bush Administration activity under the auspices of the Security and Prosperity Partnership of North America."....

....."Serious readers for centuries are alert to recognize that ad hominem attacks generally mask an inability to counter an argument on logical or evidentiary grounds. In the days of Lenin, communist agitators took the ad hominem attack to a new level, perfecting techniques to discredit their opponents with the intent to discourage the public from listening to arguments that were serious and potentially fatal criticisms of communism. Medved appears to be taking the advice of the radical socialist activist Saul D. Alinsky, who articulated on page 128 of his 1971 book “Rules for Radicals” his rule No. 5: “Ridicule is man’s most potent weapon.”"....

...."Studying the tone of Medved’s recent piece in Townhall.com, I was reminded of the abuse my co-author John O’Neill suffered on Oct. 22, 2004, when MSNBC senior political analyst Lawrence O’Donnell began screaming “Liar! Liar!” at O’Neill during an appearance on “Scarborough Country.” Reading the transcript of that show, O’Donnell appeared to have lost his composure when he was unable to refute O’Neill’s defense of what we wrote in “Unfit for Command.” Similarly, Medved has reduced himself to spewing forth various strings of derogatory language boldly proclaiming, for instance, that “there’s no reason at all to believe in the ludicrous, childish, ill-informed, manipulative, brain dead fantasies about a North American Union.”

Who then, besides myself, are those who Medved calls on his readers to treat “with the derision and contempt they so richly deserve” for propounding “this paranoid and groundless frenzy” over the North American Union?"....


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Excellent rebuttal by Jeromi Corsi and full article is full of detailed information.

*bookmark* for reference.

1 posted on 01/02/2007 1:38:18 PM PST by Kimberly GG
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To: Kimberly GG

*Jerome*


2 posted on 01/02/2007 1:39:08 PM PST by Kimberly GG (PATRIOTS MARCH TO "TAKE BACK AMERICA" (www.lframerica.com ))
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To: Kimberly GG

BREAK OUT THE TIN FOIL HATS!!!!!!!


3 posted on 01/02/2007 1:39:41 PM PST by Lunatic Fringe (Say "NO" to the Trans-Texas Corridor)
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To: Kimberly GG

Corsi is a sharp guy. I don't always agree with him, but his arguements are well constructed, and in this piece he runs rings around Medved.


4 posted on 01/02/2007 1:44:21 PM PST by Ouderkirk (Don't you think it's interesting how death and destruction seems to happen wherever Muslims gather.)
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To: Kimberly GG
Excellent rebuttal by Jeromi Corsi and full article is full of detailed information.

The gist of his "rebuttal" is that he was ATTACKED.

He didn't rebut anything.

5 posted on 01/02/2007 1:45:59 PM PST by Dog Gone
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To: admin

I would appreciate an explanation as to why the original piece on this exact subject, written by Mr. Medved, remains in the News/Activism section of Free Republic, as shown here:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1759457/posts

while you have seen fit to immediately, MOVE Mr. Corsi's rebuttal to Chat?


6 posted on 01/02/2007 1:46:30 PM PST by Kimberly GG (PATRIOTS MARCH TO "TAKE BACK AMERICA" (www.lframerica.com ))
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To: Ouderkirk

A well-constructed argument means nothing when it's in regards to a paranoid delusional fantasy.


7 posted on 01/02/2007 1:46:46 PM PST by Lunatic Fringe (Say "NO" to the Trans-Texas Corridor)
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To: The Shrew

Ping.


8 posted on 01/02/2007 1:47:43 PM PST by Interesting Times (ABCNNBCBS -- yesterday's news.)
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To: Lunatic Fringe

"A well-constructed argument means nothing when it's in regards to a paranoid delusional fantasy."

Says a lot considering your nic.


9 posted on 01/02/2007 1:49:38 PM PST by Kimberly GG (PATRIOTS MARCH TO "TAKE BACK AMERICA" (www.lframerica.com ))
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To: Kimberly GG

This is just like the irrational "New World Order" paranoia 10 years ago.

Corsi's response doesn't belong in news or chat... it belongs in the trashbin of history.


10 posted on 01/02/2007 1:51:00 PM PST by Lunatic Fringe (Say "NO" to the Trans-Texas Corridor)
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To: Lunatic Fringe

I didn't ask you the question, I asked the Admin, unless of course, you ARE the admin?


11 posted on 01/02/2007 1:55:16 PM PST by Kimberly GG (PATRIOTS MARCH TO "TAKE BACK AMERICA" (www.lframerica.com ))
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To: Dog Gone

**bookmarked for more funny keywords**


12 posted on 01/02/2007 1:55:36 PM PST by Lunatic Fringe (Say "NO" to the Trans-Texas Corridor)
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To: Lunatic Fringe

And, of course since you and the Dog are the only ones on this thread, I take it one or both of you are responsible for the keywords as well?


13 posted on 01/02/2007 1:56:33 PM PST by Kimberly GG (PATRIOTS MARCH TO "TAKE BACK AMERICA" (www.lframerica.com ))
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To: Kimberly GG
....."Serious readers for centuries are alert to recognize that ad hominem attacks generally mask an inability to counter an argument on logical or evidentiary grounds.

Funny to see Corsi use the word evidentiary. I thought he was allergic to evidence?

14 posted on 01/02/2007 2:09:13 PM PST by Toddsterpatriot (There is no cause so right that one cannot find a fool following it.)
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To: Toddsterpatriot

You guys are a hoot..keep 'em coming.


15 posted on 01/02/2007 2:09:47 PM PST by Kimberly GG (PATRIOTS MARCH TO "TAKE BACK AMERICA" (www.lframerica.com ))
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To: Kimberly GG
“Ridicule is man’s most potent weapon.”".

Especially against the ridiculous.

16 posted on 01/02/2007 2:09:59 PM PST by Toddsterpatriot (There is no cause so right that one cannot find a fool following it.)
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To: Kimberly GG

17 posted on 01/02/2007 2:13:19 PM PST by Petronski (I just love that woman.)
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To: Kimberly GG

Excellent rebuttal by Jeromi Corsi and full article is full of detailed information.

*bookmark* for reference.

http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=18721


18 posted on 01/02/2007 2:14:02 PM PST by Kimberly GG (PATRIOTS MARCH TO "TAKE BACK AMERICA" (www.lframerica.com ))
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To: Kimberly GG

I didn't post any of the keywords, but I guarandamntee that you posted a bunch of them.


19 posted on 01/02/2007 2:14:45 PM PST by Dog Gone
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To: Kimberly GG

Belongs in the Smoky Back Room, under "humor."


20 posted on 01/02/2007 2:14:55 PM PST by Petronski (I just love that woman.)
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To: Toddsterpatriot

“Ridicule is man’s most potent weapon.”".

"Especially against the ridiculous."


You do know that was a quote by socialist Alinsky?

Of course you did.


21 posted on 01/02/2007 2:16:54 PM PST by Kimberly GG (PATRIOTS MARCH TO "TAKE BACK AMERICA" (www.lframerica.com ))
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To: Kimberly GG

I never could get into listening to Medved's lame show. If I wanted to hear liberals for 3 hours straight, I could tune into Air America, FPS.


22 posted on 01/02/2007 2:16:57 PM PST by Prince Charles
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To: Kimberly GG

"I invite Medved to a public debate on these questions. In making this invitation, I am willing to take the risk that Medved’s tone in his Townhall.com piece does accurately reflect his true emotional state. I do not recall ever before reading a piece from a person who likes to represent himself as a responsible political commentator that contained so many vituperative epithets or such extended strings of invective, including invented words that are nowhere to be found, not even in a dictionary of slang.

If Medved is getting close to the Larry O’Donnell “liar, liar” stage when discussing North American integration, I will take even that risk in issuing a challenge to debate. On the questions that Medved shrilly characterizes as hysteria over a North American Union chimera, I am willing to stand by the research and study that have carried me through multiple decades of multiple careers, even if Medved is reaching the point where he is “Unfit for Debate.”"


23 posted on 01/02/2007 2:18:20 PM PST by Kimberly GG (PATRIOTS MARCH TO "TAKE BACK AMERICA" (www.lframerica.com ))
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To: Dog Gone

Of course I did silly...I started the thread :)


24 posted on 01/02/2007 2:18:51 PM PST by Kimberly GG (PATRIOTS MARCH TO "TAKE BACK AMERICA" (www.lframerica.com ))
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To: Kimberly GG

I see the Medved fans jumped on this thread like flies on a chit wagon. It's not that they think the NAU is a conspiracy freaks wet dream, it's because the NAU is theirs.


25 posted on 01/02/2007 2:24:13 PM PST by wolfcreek (Please Lord, May I be, one who sees what's in front of me.)
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To: wolfcreek
It's not that they think the NAU is a conspiracy freaks wet dream

Yes it is.

And I've never heard Medved even once. If he's nationally syndicated, he's not in the Houston area. I don't have much of a clue who he is.

26 posted on 01/02/2007 2:31:29 PM PST by Dog Gone
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To: Kimberly GG
"Medved has reduced himself to spewing forth various strings of derogatory language boldly proclaiming, for instance, that “there’s no reason at all to believe in the ludicrous, childish, ill-informed, manipulative, brain dead fantasies about a North American Union.”

Just a point of logic but, as I read this example of the supposed "Ad Hominem" attack, who is the "Hominem"? I see no one named. I see no one referred to even obliquely. I see an idea ridiculed not a person.

It's a weak argument that can be disproved by a simple reference to the example given.

27 posted on 01/02/2007 2:33:10 PM PST by muir_redwoods (Free Sirhan Sirhan, after all, the bastard who killed Mary Jo Kopechne is walking around free)
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To: Dog Gone

Awful touching today are We? I see you don't care for being talked about but, have no problem dishing it out. Tell us why you think the NAU will never happen or why you wish it would.


28 posted on 01/02/2007 2:42:52 PM PST by wolfcreek (Please Lord, May I be, one who sees what's in front of me.)
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To: wolfcreek

Who am I touching awful today?

I don't know what you see, but you conspiracy freaks who think we're going to merge with Mexico and Canada are ridiculous. That would take WAY more than some committee to accomplish and even a cursory reading of the Constitution would convince you of that.

This whole discussion is an an embarrassment to this forum.

It's not going to happen.


29 posted on 01/02/2007 2:49:31 PM PST by Dog Gone
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To: Dog Gone
Medved is a talk show host -- a former film critic.

He is usually pretty strong on the cultural issues but has a bad habit of giving his show over to the most inane of liberal callers. Overall is bright and ordinarily pleasant.

As to why he is coming out so harshly against those who are concerned about our borders . . . who knows?
30 posted on 01/02/2007 2:50:19 PM PST by BenLurkin (O beautiful for patriot dream, that sees beyond the years)
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To: Kimberly GG
You do know that was a quote by socialist Alinsky?

OMG, a socialist used the word ridiculous so now I can't use it to describe the ridiculous Corsi! How about clown? Can I call Corsi a clown? Or did a socialist use that word before?

How about idiot? Corsi is an idiot!!

31 posted on 01/02/2007 2:56:14 PM PST by Toddsterpatriot (There is no cause so right that one cannot find a fool following it.)
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To: wolfcreek

"I see the Medved fans jumped on this thread like flies on a chit wagon. It's not that they think the NAU is a conspiracy freaks wet dream, it's because the NAU is theirs."

Of course they did and of course it is "theirs", which is why my question above is being intentionally ignored. Nonetheless, I would venture to guess that were I to do a bit of research, I imagine Jerome Corsi would have been considered quite the hero around here, having seen to it that GWB won the '04 elections. The fact that he's been relegated to 'conspiracy theorists' by the forces that be, consistent with the perfectly timed attacks every time the subject is mentioned and the moving of the threads, can only lead to the conclusions that indeed it "is theirs" and FR is supporting the efforts.

What isn't clear is why they are ashamed to admit it.


32 posted on 01/02/2007 3:07:00 PM PST by Kimberly GG (PATRIOTS MARCH TO "TAKE BACK AMERICA" (www.lframerica.com ))
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To: Toddsterpatriot

You pulled and used the quote from the article, not me ;)


33 posted on 01/02/2007 3:08:43 PM PST by Kimberly GG (PATRIOTS MARCH TO "TAKE BACK AMERICA" (www.lframerica.com ))
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To: Kimberly GG

You posted an article that quoted a socialist, not me ;^)


34 posted on 01/02/2007 3:20:35 PM PST by Toddsterpatriot (There is no cause so right that one cannot find a fool following it.)
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To: Kimberly GG
consistent with the perfectly timed attacks every time the subject is mentioned

You consider criticism of a thread that is posted "perfectly timed attacks"?

Have their been any "perfectly timed attacks" not on a thread espousing your conspiracy theory?

How paranoid are you?

35 posted on 01/02/2007 3:21:25 PM PST by Dog Gone
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To: Kimberly GG
Serious readers for centuries are alert to recognize that ad hominem attacks generally mask an inability to counter an argument on logical or evidentiary grounds.

I'm a pretty serious reader, but even I cannot claim to have been one for centuries.
36 posted on 01/02/2007 3:23:57 PM PST by Xenalyte (Anything is possible when you don't understand how anything happens.)
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To: Kimberly GG; admin

You might do better to address your complaint to Admin Moderator - "admin" would appear to be just another user (to whom courtesy ping).


37 posted on 01/02/2007 3:25:01 PM PST by Xenalyte (Anything is possible when you don't understand how anything happens.)
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To: Dog Gone
There is a room in NAU HQ where an alarm rings every time a Corsi thread is posted. We get a bonus for perfectly timing our attack. Please don't pass this private freepmail to anyone else, unless I confirm that they are in on the conspiracy. Thanks.
38 posted on 01/02/2007 3:25:27 PM PST by Toddsterpatriot (There is no cause so right that one cannot find a fool following it.)
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To: Dog Gone

Medved is on 1070 occasionally. I've run across him but haven't listened enough to know the schedule.


39 posted on 01/02/2007 3:26:28 PM PST by Xenalyte (Anything is possible when you don't understand how anything happens.)
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To: Dog Gone

Now, we have been over and OVER this. You are NOT supposed to touch awful ANYONE. Don't make me come over there!


40 posted on 01/02/2007 3:27:26 PM PST by Xenalyte (Anything is possible when you don't understand how anything happens.)
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To: Xenalyte

Sorry ma'am.


41 posted on 01/02/2007 3:30:26 PM PST by Dog Gone
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To: Dog Gone
Who am I touching awful today?

Man USC de-pants Meatchicken and now you are awfully touching people for no reason...tsk tsk tsk :)
42 posted on 01/02/2007 3:33:53 PM PST by MikefromOhio (Go Bucks!!!!)
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To: MikefromOhio

It wasn't my fault, honest! It was an accidental brush and I was getting bumped in a crowd.

DO NOT TURN ME IN.


43 posted on 01/02/2007 3:45:30 PM PST by Dog Gone
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To: Dog Gone

LOL


44 posted on 01/02/2007 3:46:49 PM PST by MikefromOhio (Go Bucks!!!!)
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To: Dog Gone

"You consider criticism of a thread that is posted "perfectly timed attacks"?

Have their been any "perfectly timed attacks" not on a thread espousing your conspiracy theory?"

My point exactly. Answered your own question.


45 posted on 01/02/2007 3:49:54 PM PST by Kimberly GG (PATRIOTS MARCH TO "TAKE BACK AMERICA" (www.lframerica.com ))
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To: Kimberly GG

I'm glad I did, because it demonstrates that you are insane.

Here's a clue. Every time you post an insane thread, you'll get a perfectly timed attack on it.

The rest of us think that is normal. You think it's proof of a conspiracy.


46 posted on 01/02/2007 3:53:30 PM PST by Dog Gone
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To: Dog Gone

IMO Medved is a good guy. He allows others, with opposing views, to state their case and then begins to graciously and logically tear them a new 5th point of contact. He is, as far as I've listened to him, a calm and polite person who is interesting to listen to. Conservative with libertarian leanings who is not afraid to have "the enemy" on his show to debate an issue. In this he is cordial and not combative; which is unique on this age of "combat talk" radio.


Having said this, I have no idea what his views are on the NAU.


47 posted on 01/02/2007 5:29:02 PM PST by Tainan (New & Improved, just in time for the Christmas and New Years Holidays!)
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To: Kimberly GG

Here are previous examples of this phenomenom:

http://lonewacko.com/blog/archives/005656.html


48 posted on 01/02/2007 8:40:01 PM PST by lonewacko_dot_com (http://lonewacko.com/blog)
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To: Dog Gone

"Here's a clue. Every time you post an insane thread, you'll get a perfectly timed attack on it."

Thanks ;) That's exactly what I've been saying all along!

Get a clue yourself Dog...it's just as Corsi described, and your 'code red' moment came with the admission I expected ;) Could have saved me the trouble and just admitted it to begin with.


49 posted on 01/03/2007 1:49:42 AM PST by Kimberly GG (PATRIOTS MARCH TO "TAKE BACK AMERICA" (www.lframerica.com ))
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To: Dog Gone
"even a cursory reading of the Constitution would convince you of that."


I doubt the powers behind this movement care what the Constitution or the populous think or say. That's the crux of the argument. The *NEW* in New World Order. The fact there are people who insist this is a joke, plays right in to the conspiracy. The fact you're so close-minded on this issue, worries me.
50 posted on 01/03/2007 4:20:24 AM PST by wolfcreek (Please Lord, May I be, one who sees what's in front of me.)
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