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'Active glacier found' on Mars
BBC ^ | Wednesday, 19 December 2007, 15:29 GMT | Paul Rincon Science reporter, BBC News

Posted on 12/19/2007 9:28:58 AM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach

'Active glacier found' on Mars

By Paul Rincon


Science reporter, BBC News


White tips may be areas of freshly exposed ice


A probable active glacier has been identified for the first time on Mars.

The icy feature has been spotted in images from the European Space Agency's (Esa) Mars Express spacecraft.

Ancient glaciers, many millions of years old, have been seen before on the Red Planet, but these ones may only be several thousand years old.

The young glacier appears in the Deuteronilus Mensae region between Mars' rugged southern highlands and the flat northern lowlands.

"If it was an image of Earth, I would say 'glacier' right away," Dr Gerhard Neukum, chief scientist on the spacecraft's High Resolution Stereo Camera (HRSC) told BBC News.

"We have not yet been able to see the spectral signature of water. But we will fly over it in the coming months and take measurements. On the glacial ridges we can see white tips, which can only be freshly exposed ice.

This is found in very few places on the Red Planet because as soon ice is exposed to the Martian environment, it sublimates - or turns from a solid state directly into gas.

Flooding event

In Deuteronilus Mensae, Dr Neukum estimates that water came up from underground in the last 10,000 to 100,000 years.

"That means it is an active glacier now. This is unique, and there are probably more," said Dr Neukum.

The water subsequently froze over and glaciers developed, the researcher from the Free University in Berlin, Germany, explained.

Not all researchers share his view of events. Some believe that snowfall causes glaciers to develop on Mars, as it does on Earth. But Gerhard Neukum thinks there is too little precipitation on the Red Planet for this to be the case.

Glacial features have been seen before on the Olympus Mons volcano. But these are thought to be about four million years old.

Dr Neukum said glacial features would be prime locations for robotic rovers to look for evidence of life on Mars.

If microbes survive deep below Mars, they could be transported to the surface by water gushing up from deep underground.

Last month, Esa celebrated Mars Express' five thousandth orbit of the Red Planet. The unmanned probe arrived at Mars on 25 December 2003.

Paul.Rincon-INTERNET@bbc.co.uk




TOPICS: Science
KEYWORDS: catastrophism; mars
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1 posted on 12/19/2007 9:28:59 AM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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To: NormsRevenge; SunkenCiv

fyi


2 posted on 12/19/2007 9:29:51 AM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (No Burkas for my Grandaughters!)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

So, should we send Al G(b)ore there to do a documentary about global warming?


3 posted on 12/19/2007 9:31:09 AM PST by SoldierDad (Proud Dad of a 2nd BCT 10th Mountain Soldier home after 15 months in the Triagle of death)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Until the Martians started driving SUV’s, glaciers were fairly common on Mars.


4 posted on 12/19/2007 9:31:14 AM PST by Always Right
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To: SoldierDad

Hopefully, a 1 way ticket.


5 posted on 12/19/2007 9:34:12 AM PST by max americana
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To: max americana

I’ll pack his baggage (which will probably break my back, but worth it to send him away).


6 posted on 12/19/2007 9:36:27 AM PST by SoldierDad (Proud Dad of a 2nd BCT 10th Mountain Soldier home after 15 months in the Triagle of death)
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To: SoldierDad

He needs to take his private jet with him.


7 posted on 12/19/2007 9:38:17 AM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (No Burkas for my Grandaughters!)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
White tips may be areas of freshly exposed ice

It may be martian poop to?

8 posted on 12/19/2007 9:39:12 AM PST by org.whodat (What's the difference between a Democrat and a republican????)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

And let’s not forget Tipper (and while he’s at it, he could take Michael Moore with him).


9 posted on 12/19/2007 9:40:12 AM PST by SoldierDad (Proud Dad of a 2nd BCT 10th Mountain Soldier home after 15 months in the Triagle of death)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Dr Gerhard Neukum, chief scientist on the spacecraft's High Resolution Stereo Camera

I wonder what his nickname is.....

10 posted on 12/19/2007 9:56:23 AM PST by mikrofon (Jerry?)
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To: SoldierDad

Putting Moore into space would upset the gravitational balance of our solar system. It would be a very bad thing.


11 posted on 12/19/2007 10:08:33 AM PST by LesbianThespianGymnasticMidget (Si Hoc Legere Scis Nimium Eruditionis Habes)
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To: mikrofon

Herzog?


12 posted on 12/19/2007 10:27:10 AM PST by Zuben Elgenubi
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
This is found in very few places on the Red Planet because as soon ice is exposed to the Martian environment, it sublimates - or turns from a solid state directly into gas.

Sublimation is not instantaneous. A mass of ice can last for a very long time.

13 posted on 12/19/2007 10:29:50 AM PST by RightWhale (Dean Koonz is good, but my favorite authors are Dun and Bradstreet)
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To: LesbianThespianGymnasticMidget

Perhaps we could set the space craft for a couse to the nearest black hole?


14 posted on 12/19/2007 10:49:34 AM PST by SoldierDad (Proud Dad of a 2nd BCT 10th Mountain Soldier home after 15 months in the Triagle of death)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Very cool. Thanks!


15 posted on 12/19/2007 11:26:12 AM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Godspeed ... ICE’s toll-free tip hotline —1-866-DHS-2-ICE ... 9/11 .. Never FoRGeT)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach; KevinDavis; 75thOVI; AFPhys; Alice in Wonderland; AndrewC; aristotleman; ...
The water subsequently froze over and glaciers developed, the researcher from the Free University in Berlin, Germany, explained. Not all researchers share his view of events. Some believe that snowfall causes glaciers to develop on Mars, as it does on Earth. But Gerhard Neukum thinks there is too little precipitation on the Red Planet for this to be the case.
10K to 100K age doesn't mean current activity. :') These events are due to shortlived heating events, such as are caused by impact (or possible volcanism, but Mars is volcanically speaking a dud as far as anyone knows); water ices in the soil go straight to vapor, creating a very temporary and outward-moving microclimate, allowing liquid water and mudslides (liquefaction) to exist for a short period. As soon as the vapor dissipated, back to ice it went. :') Thanks Ernest.
 
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16 posted on 12/19/2007 11:37:52 AM PST by SunkenCiv (Profile updated Tuesday, December 18, 2007___________________https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

The first humans to set foot on Mars could be reading this. My advice is as follows: Do not go to that place unarmed. You will not find anything walking around on the surface of the place. Inside those megaliths, inside the glassy tunnels, or at the bottom of that big trench it’s still unlikely but not altogethe rimpossible, you might come across a rat or a cockroach and because of the weaker gravity, the rat or cockroach might be ten feet long, and dialing 911 won’t help. What you want is one of those lever-action Marlin 45/70s.


17 posted on 12/19/2007 11:46:52 AM PST by jeddavis
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To: mikrofon; Dukenukem

“Duke”?


18 posted on 12/19/2007 11:55:55 AM PST by BenLurkin
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To: RightWhale
Sublimation is not instantaneous. A mass of ice can last for a very long time.

Yes, it depends on the surface to volume ratio and the temperature. Nonetheless, over geological periods of time you wouldn't expect a glacier to last.

19 posted on 12/19/2007 12:02:08 PM PST by burzum (None shall see me, though my battlecry may give me away -Minsc)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Fascinating. bmflr

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20 posted on 12/19/2007 3:12:17 PM PST by Kevmo (We should withdraw from Iraq — via Tehran. And Duncan Hunter is just the man to get that job done.)
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