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Dave Grossman ^ | Lt. Col. Dave Grossman

Posted on 08/04/2008 3:50:44 AM PDT by sig226

One Vietnam veteran, an old retired colonel, once said this to me: “Most of the people in our society are sheep. They are kind, gentle, productive creatures who can only hurt one another by accident.” This is true. Remember, the murder rate is six per 100,000 per year, and the aggravated assault rate is four per 1,000 per year. What this means is that the vast majority of Americans are not inclined to hurt one another.

Some estimates say that two million Americans are victims of violent crimes every year, a tragic, staggering number, perhaps an all-time record rate of violent crime. But there are almost 300 million Americans, which means that the odds of being a victim of violent crime is considerably less than one in a hundred on any given year. Furthermore, since many violent crimes are committed by repeat offenders, the actual number of violent citizens is considerably less than two million.

Thus there is a paradox, and we must grasp both ends of the situation: We may well be in the most violent times in history, but violence is still remarkably rare. This is because most citizens are kind, decent people who are not capable of hurting each other, except by accident or under extreme provocation. They are sheep.

I mean nothing negative by calling them sheep. To me it is like the pretty, blue robin’s egg. Inside it is soft and gooey but someday it will grow into something wonderful. But the egg cannot survive without its hard blue shell. Police officers, soldiers and other warriors are like that shell, and someday the civilization they protect will grow into something wonderful. For now, though, they need warriors to protect them from the predators. “Then there are the wolves,” the old war veteran said, “and the wolves feed on the sheep without mercy.” Do you believe there are wolves out there who will feed on the flock without mercy? You better believe it. There are evil men in this world and they are capable of evil deeds. The moment you forget that or pretend it is not so, you become a sheep. There is no safety in denial.

“Then there are sheepdogs,” he went on, “and I’m a sheepdog. I live to protect the flock and confront the wolf.” Or, as a sign in one California law enforcement agency put it, “We intimidate those who intimidate others.”

If you have no capacity for violence then you are a healthy productive citizen: a sheep. If you have a capacity for violence and no empathy for your fellow citizens, then you have defined an aggressive sociopath--a wolf. But what if you have a capacity for violence, and a deep love for your fellow citizens? Then you are a sheepdog, a warrior, someone who is walking the hero’s path. Someone who can walk into the heart of darkness, into the universal human phobia, and walk out unscathed.

The gift of aggression

"What goes on around you... compares little with what goes on inside you." - Ralph Waldo Emerson

Everyone has been given a gift in life. Some people have a gift for science and some have a flair for art. And warriors have been given the gift of aggression. They would no more misuse this gift than a doctor would misuse his healing arts, but they yearn for the opportunity to use their gift to help others. These people, the ones who have been blessed with the gift of aggression and a love for others, are our sheepdogs. These are our warriors.

One career police officer wrote to me about this after attending one of my Bulletproof Mind training sessions:

"I want to say thank you for finally shedding some light on why it is that I can do what I do. I always knew why I did it. I love my [citizens], even the bad ones, and had a talent that I could return to my community. I just couldn’t put my finger on why I could wade through the chaos, the gore, the sadness, if given a chance try to make it all better, and walk right out the other side."

Let me expand on this old soldier’s excellent model of the sheep, wolves, and sheepdogs. We know that the sheep live in denial; that is what makes them sheep. They do not want to believe that there is evil in the world. They can accept the fact that fires can happen, which is why they want fire extinguishers, fire sprinklers, fire alarms and fire exits throughout their kids’ schools. But many of them are outraged at the idea of putting an armed police officer in their kid’s school. Our children are dozens of times more likely to be killed, and thousands of times more likely to be seriously injured, by school violence than by school fires, but the sheep’s only response to the possibility of violence is denial. The idea of someone coming to kill or harm their children is just too hard, so they choose the path of denial.

The sheep generally do not like the sheepdog. He looks a lot like the wolf. He has fangs and the capacity for violence. The difference, though, is that the sheepdog must not, cannot and will not ever harm the sheep. Any sheepdog who intentionally harms the lowliest little lamb will be punished and removed. The world cannot work any other way, at least not in a representative democracy or a republic such as ours.

Still, the sheepdog disturbs the sheep. He is a constant reminder that there are wolves in the land. They would prefer that he didn’t tell them where to go, or give them traffic tickets, or stand at the ready in our airports in camouflage fatigues holding an M-16. The sheep would much rather have the sheepdog cash in his fangs, spray paint himself white, and go, “Baa.”

Until the wolf shows up. Then the entire flock tries desperately to hide behind one lonely sheepdog. As Kipling said in his poem about “Tommy” the British soldier:

While it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "Tommy, fall be'ind," But it's "Please to walk in front, sir," when there's trouble in the wind, There's trouble in the wind, my boys, there's trouble in the wind, O it's "Please to walk in front, sir," when there's trouble in the wind.

The students, the victims, at Columbine High School were big, tough high school students, and under ordinary circumstances they would not have had the time of day for a police officer. They were not bad kids; they just had nothing to say to a cop. When the school was under attack, however, and SWAT teams were clearing the rooms and hallways, the officers had to physically peel those clinging, sobbing kids off of them. This is how the little lambs feel about their sheepdog when the wolf is at the door. Look at what happened after September 11, 2001, when the wolf pounded hard on the door. Remember how America, more than ever before, felt differently about their law enforcement officers and military personnel? Remember how many times you heard the word hero?

Understand that there is nothing morally superior about being a sheepdog; it is just what you choose to be. Also understand that a sheepdog is a funny critter: He is always sniffing around out on the perimeter, checking the breeze, barking at things that go bump in the night, and yearning for a righteous battle. That is, the young sheepdogs yearn for a righteous battle. The old sheepdogs are a little older and wiser, but they move to the sound of the guns when needed right along with the young ones.

Here is how the sheep and the sheepdog think differently. The sheep pretend the wolf will never come, but the sheepdog lives for that day. After the attacks on September 11, 2001, most of the sheep, that is, most citizens in America said, “Thank God I wasn’t on one of those planes.” The sheepdogs, the warriors, said, “Dear God, I wish I could have been on one of those planes. Maybe I could have made a difference.” When you are truly transformed into a warrior and have truly invested yourself into warriorhood, you want to be there. You want to be able to make a difference.

While there is nothing morally superior about the sheepdog, the warrior, he does have one real advantage. Only one. He is able to survive and thrive in an environment that destroys 98 percent of the population.

There was research conducted a few years ago with individuals convicted of violent crimes. These cons were in prison for serious, predatory acts of violence: assaults, murders and killing law enforcement officers. The vast majority said that they specifically targeted victims by body language: slumped walk, passive behavior and lack of awareness. They chose their victims like big cats do in Africa, when they select one out of the herd that is least able to protect itself.

However, when there were cues given by potential victims that indicated they would not go easily, the cons said that they would walk away. If the cons sensed that the target was a "counter-predator," that is, a sheepdog, they would leave him alone unless there was no other choice but to engage.

One police officer told me that he rode a commuter train to work each day. One day, as was his usual, he was standing in the crowded car, dressed in blue jeans, T-shirt and jacket, holding onto a pole and reading a paperback. At one of the stops, two street toughs boarded, shouting and cursing and doing every obnoxious thing possible to intimidate the other riders. The officer continued to read his book, though he kept a watchful eye on the two punks as they strolled along the aisle making comments to female passengers, and banging shoulders with men as they passed.

As they approached the officer, he lowered his novel and made eye contact with them. “You got a problem, man?” one of the IQ-challenged punks asked. “You think you’re tough, or somethin’?” the other asked, obviously offended that this one was not shirking away from them.

“As a matter of fact, I am tough,” the officer said, calmly and with a steady gaze.

The two looked at him for a long moment, and then without saying a word, turned and moved back down the aisle to continue their taunting of the other passengers, the sheep.

Some people may be destined to be sheep and others might be genetically primed to be wolves or sheepdogs. But I believe that most people can choose which one they want to be, and I’m proud to say that more and more Americans are choosing to become sheepdogs.

Seven months after the attack on September 11, 2001, Todd Beamer was honored in his hometown of Cranbury, New Jersey. Todd, as you recall, was the man on Flight 93 over Pennsylvania who called on his cell phone to alert an operator from United Airlines about the hijacking. When he learned of the other three passenger planes that had been used as weapons, Todd dropped his phone and uttered the words, “Let’s roll,” which authorities believe was a signal to the other passengers to confront the terrorist hijackers. In one hour, a transformation occurred among the passengers--athletes, business people and parents--from sheep to sheepdogs and together they fought the wolves, ultimately saving an unknown number of lives on the ground.

“Do you have any idea how hard it would be to live with yourself after that?”

"here is no safety for honest men except by believing all possible evil of evil men." - Edmund Burke Reflections on the Revolution in France

Here is the point I like to emphasize, especially to the thousands of police officers and soldiers I speak to each year. In nature the sheep, real sheep, are born as sheep. Sheepdogs are born that way, and so are wolves. They didn’t have a choice. But you are not a critter. As a human being, you can be whatever you want to be. It is a conscious, moral decision. If you want to be a sheep, then you can be a sheep and that is okay, but you must understand the price you pay. When the wolf comes, you and your loved ones are going to die if there is not a sheepdog there to protect you. If you want to be a wolf, you can be one, but the sheepdogs are going to hunt you down and you will never have rest, safety, trust or love. But if you want to be a sheepdog and walk the warrior’s path, then you must make a conscious and moral decision every day to dedicate, equip and prepare yourself to thrive in that toxic, corrosive moment when the wolf comes knocking at the door.

For example, many officers carry their weapons in church. They are well concealed in ankle holsters, shoulder holsters or inside-the-belt holsters tucked into the small of their backs. Anytime you go to some form of religious service, there is a very good chance that a police officer in your congregation is carrying. You will never know if there is such an individual in your place of worship, until the wolf appears to slaughter you and your loved ones.

I was training a group of police officers in Texas, and during the break, one officer asked his friend if he carried his weapon in church. The other cop replied, “I will never be caught without my gun in church.” I asked why he felt so strongly about this, and he told me about a police officer he knew who was at a church massacre in Ft. Worth, Texas, in 1999. In that incident, a mentally deranged individual came into the church and opened fire, gunning down 14 people. He said that officer believed he could have saved every life that day if he had been carrying his gun. His own son was shot, and all he could do was throw himself on the boy’s body and wait to die. That cop looked me in the eye and said, “Do you have any idea how hard it would be to live with yourself after that?”

Some individuals would be horrified if they knew this police officer was carrying a weapon in church. They might call him paranoid and would probably scorn him. Yet these same individuals would be enraged and would call for “heads to roll” if they found out that the airbags in their cars were defective, or that the fire extinguisher and fire sprinklers in their kids’ school did not work. They can accept the fact that fires and traffic accidents can happen and that there must be safeguards against them. Their only response to the wolf, though, is denial, and all too often their response to the sheepdog is scorn and disdain. But the sheepdog quietly asks himself, “Do you have any idea how hard it would be to live with yourself if your loved ones were attacked and killed, and you had to stand there helplessly because you were unprepared for that day?”

The warrior must cleanse denial from his thinking. Coach Bob Lindsey, a renowned law enforcement trainer, says that warriors must practice “when/then” thinking, not “if/when.” Instead of saying,“If it happens then I will take action,” the warrior says, “When it happens then I will be ready.”

It is denial that turns people into sheep. Sheep are psychologically destroyed by combat because their only defense is denial, which is counterproductive and destructive, resulting in fear, helplessness and horror when the wolf shows up.

Denial kills you twice. It kills you once, at your moment of truth when you are not physically prepared: You didn’t bring your gun; you didn’t train. Your only defense was wishful thinking. Hope is not a strategy. Denial kills you a second time because even if you do physically survive, you are psychologically shattered by fear, helplessness, horror and shame at your moment of truth.

Chuck Yeager, the famous test pilot and first man to fly faster than the speed of sound, says that he knew he could die. There was no denial for him. He did not allow himself the luxury of denial. This acceptance of reality can cause fear, but it is a healthy, controlled fear that will keep you alive:

"I was always afraid of dying. Always. It was my fear that made me learn everything I could about my airplane and my emergency equipment, and kept me flying respectful of my machine and always alert in the cockpit." - Brigadier General Chuck Yeager Yeager, An Autobiography

Gavin de Becker puts it like this in Fear Less, his superb post-9/11 book, which should be required reading for anyone trying to come to terms with our current world situation:

"..denial can be seductive, but it has an insidious side effect. For all the peace of mind deniers think they get by saying it isn’t so, the fall they take when faced with new violence is all the more unsettling. Denial is a save-now-pay-later scheme, a contract written entirely in small print, for in the long run, the denying person knows the truth on some level."

And so the warrior must strive to confront denial in all aspects of his life, and prepare himself for the day when evil comes.

If you are a warrior who is legally authorized to carry a weapon and you step outside without that weapon, then you become a sheep, pretending that the bad man will not come today. No one can be “on” 24/7 for a lifetime. Everyone needs down time. But if you are authorized to carry a weapon, and you walk outside without it, just take a deep breath, and say this to yourself... “Baa.”

This business of being a sheep or a sheepdog is not a yes-no dichotomy. It is not an all-or-nothing, either-or choice. It is a matter of degrees, a continuum. On one end is an abject, head-in-the-grass sheep and on the other end is the ultimate warrior. Few people exist completely on one end or the other. Most of us live somewhere in between. Since 9-11 almost everyone in America took a step up that continuum, away from denial. The sheep took a few steps toward accepting and appreciating their warriors, and the warriors started taking their job more seriously. The degree to which you move up that continuum, away from sheephood and denial, is the degree to which you and your loved ones will survive, physically and psychologically at your moment of truth.


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1 posted on 08/04/2008 3:50:45 AM PDT by sig226
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2 posted on 08/04/2008 3:53:15 AM PDT by sig226 (Real power is not the ability to destroy an enemy. It is the willingness to do it.)
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3 posted on 08/04/2008 4:17:34 AM PDT by verga (I am not an apologist, I just play one on Television)
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To: sig226
I always knew I thought differently about things than most people. Desiring to learn new skills, shooting, hunting, rock climbing, martial arts etc...., but I nevedr really understood the reason(s) behind it.

This thread really explains it in very plain simple terms.

Thank you for the great post

4 posted on 08/04/2008 4:21:24 AM PDT by verga (I am not an apologist, I just play one on Television)
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From article: But what if you have a capacity for violence, and a deep love for your fellow citizens? Then you are a sheepdog, a warrior, someone who is walking the hero’s path. Someone who can walk into the heart of darkness, into the universal human phobia, and walk out unscathed.

I try to never miss anything written by Mr. Grossman. His thoughts about armed defense go straight through to psyche defense, as well. I was reading his works long before I met his son who was dating my daughter. And so, I got to visually see the effects of such affirmative parenting: You'd never meet a finer, more gentler and sensitive warrior than Mr. Grossman's son.

5 posted on 08/04/2008 4:21:37 AM PDT by Alia
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6 posted on 08/04/2008 4:24:54 AM PDT by Tainan (Talk is cheap. Silence is golden. All I got is brass...lotsa brass.)
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To: sig226
As a citizen, a hunter and one who owns firearms, I am convinced that over 50% of the people who live within the borders of the United States are not worthy to be citizens of this country. I would start with the Hollywood Idiots first but eventually they all have to go.

Every day the say or do something which provides aid and comfort to the enemies of America. The say things like George W. Bush is worst than bin Laden, Saddam, the leaders of Iran, North Korea, Venezuela etc. They fit the profile of citizens of Old Socialist Europe. Europe can have every last whining BDS diseased one of them. In exchange, I would take members of the European Military (only the ones who feel that defending Western Civilization is worth the fight). Others may also qualify but not one slug who was in Germany for example chanting "OMAMA" when the fake 'messiah' was last there.

We would all be better off if they left. Europe would have a new population pool to offset the rise of Islamofasism and we in the U.S. could start having 3 or more children per family.

I am talking about families who raise there children to be self sufficient,peace loving warriors instead of sheep.

7 posted on 08/04/2008 4:25:23 AM PDT by wmileo (I miss Ronald Wilson Reagan. POTUS #40)
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8 posted on 08/04/2008 4:25:50 AM PDT by clee1 (We use 43 muscles to frown, 17 to smile, and 2 to pull a trigger. I'm lazy and I'm tired of smiling.)
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9 posted on 08/04/2008 4:29:06 AM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin (Save The Earth. It's The Only Planet With Chocolate.)
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10 posted on 08/04/2008 4:29:22 AM PDT by Rummyfan (Iraq: it's not about Iraq anymore, it's about the USA!)
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To: sig226
But if you are authorized to carry a weapon

Nice article.

Kinda leaves out those of us who believe The American Citizen is "authorized" to be armed, in church, school, commercial aircraft, anywhere, by the providential circumstance of his birth.

A lot of "sheepdogs" out there would have a problem with that. Many natural "sheepdogs" among us are seen as "sheep" by the Official "sheepdogs", and if the "sheep" dare to arm themselves, they are seen as "wolves".

IMHO, if the People were properly permitted to arm themselves and carry on as Free Citizens, the Official "sheepdogs" would be needed only as cleanup crew.

11 posted on 08/04/2008 4:29:28 AM PDT by ExGeeEye (I'm Right Guard, here to prevent B. O.)
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Editorially, the article could’ve been tightened up a bit, but it was still a good read. Thanks! :)


12 posted on 08/04/2008 4:29:48 AM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin (Save The Earth. It's The Only Planet With Chocolate.)
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“The sheep generally do not like the sheepdog. He looks a lot like the wolf. He has fangs and the capacity for violence.”

I notice that many conservatives are alarmed about violence in movies, and yet our violence keeps dropping while the number of guns is very high. Obama would probably agree with those conservatives and want to ‘clean up’ movies [but sex would be OK— heck, he wants them to have sex-ed in kindergarten].

Our ‘intention to use’ a gun has soared since WWII, but I think that's a good thing. “If you brandish your weapon, be ready to kill.” FRegards....

13 posted on 08/04/2008 4:44:53 AM PDT by Arthur Wildfire! March (The Dum-bama Banking Committee offers free breathalysers and inhilators for asthmatics in 58 states.)
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14 posted on 08/04/2008 5:01:31 AM PDT by Legion
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I can understand the sheep. It must be nice to live your life and never know what it’s like to be in a fight, to be robbed or to have any act of violence happen around you.

What I don’t understand is when the sheep do find out exactly what our world can be like in it’s terror and horror and they still don’t see the connection in trying to save themselves by learning to fight back.

The only thing I can figure out is they don’t want to dedicate the time, money and effort in learning how to fight back. Either that or they just don’t want to think about it.


15 posted on 08/04/2008 5:09:08 AM PDT by Shooter 2.5 (NRA - Vote against the dem party)
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To: sig226

Perhaps a word about “Cannibalism”. What sig226 means by use of that term is the tendency among hunters and shooters to form exclusive cliques around their particular favorite subdiscipline of a chosen sport, to the extent that they may even act to exclude or speak in detriment to other sub specialties. Among the firearms fraternity, a common example of a “cannibal” is the trap or skeet shooter who will be heard saying “I don’t see why anybody needs to own a handgun, so I don’t mind a handgun ban”. Probably the most visible and widely known example was the statement once made and since sincerely retracted, by Jim Zumbo, to the effect that he didn’t see a legitimate hunting use for “black rifles”. He was nearly handed his head on a platter, and having been educates as to how erosion of second amendment rights can happen incrementally enabled by his former thinking, he has since become a staunch advocate for ALL gun owners.

The point sig and many of us who love and practice a wide variety of shooting disciplines want to hammer home is that if we don’t hang together, we will all hang separately.

I currently don’t engage in long range target shooting with big bore rifles, but I will someday when I have more time and I enthusiastically support those who do and work hard to fight against .50 caliber bans that have become a popular target for anti second amendment lawmakers.

Same goes for the full-automatic fraternity. I am laying groundwork to join that soon.

Anything that launches one or several directable projectiles out of a muzzle, by force of pressurized gas, is protected by the second amendment as far as I’m concerned and is fine with me as long as you handle it competently and safely.

Shoot ‘em up!


16 posted on 08/04/2008 5:10:06 AM PDT by Ifyou
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The only thing I can figure out is they don’t want to dedicate the time, money and effort in learning how to fight back. Either that or they just don’t want to think about it.

I have seen to many people in this perpetual state of denial. Evil can't won't happen here, now, to them, or any member of their family.

But when it does that have one of two reactions, instant catatonia, or wailing and gnashing of teeth that the government didn't do more to protect them. But they almost never will seek to attain the skills to defend themselves.

17 posted on 08/04/2008 5:26:57 AM PDT by verga (I am not an apologist, I just play one on Television)
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Meter maids are NOT “sheepdogs”.


18 posted on 08/04/2008 5:28:11 AM PDT by Impy (Spellcheck hates Obama, you should too.)
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Anything that launches one or several directable projectiles out of a muzzle, by force of pressurized gas, is protected by the second amendment as far as I’m concerned and is fine with me as long as you handle it competently and safely.

Well said

19 posted on 08/04/2008 5:29:32 AM PDT by verga (I am not an apologist, I just play one on Television)
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20 posted on 08/04/2008 5:31:28 AM PDT by Pistolshot (Leadership without experience is dangerous. - Lindsey Graham NO B.O.)
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21 posted on 08/04/2008 5:31:52 AM PDT by MileHi ( "It's coming down to patriots vs the politicians." - ovrtaxt)
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I happen to know a young man who routinely attended the church service mentioned in the thread. He had a concealed carry permit, due in part to my efforts.

He routinely carried his weapon to the service. By chance, he happened not to attend the service in which the attack occurred. He always regretted that, and thought that he could have made a difference.

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23 posted on 08/04/2008 5:47:11 AM PDT by Pistolshot (Leadership without experience is dangerous. - Lindsey Graham NO B.O.)
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24 posted on 08/04/2008 5:49:25 AM PDT by umgud
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To: sig226

There are sheep…and there are shepherds…then there are Rottweiler’s.


25 posted on 08/04/2008 5:59:08 AM PDT by CodeToad
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Many natural "sheepdogs" among us are seen as "sheep" by the Official "sheepdogs", and if the "sheep" dare to arm themselves, they are seen as "wolves".

I almost stopped reading several times, as I thought the leo/non leo line of thinking was getting deep...

tis why I always likened myself to the unmentioned fourth category of animal...

A RAM...

I 'live' amongst sheep, have a set of defensive weapons [including the hard head behind the horns] and will dutifully protect the flock against all comers...including 'rabid' sheepdogs...

although the general premise of the article was individualism, it all depends on who the master/trainer of the sheepdog really is...

LFOD...

26 posted on 08/04/2008 6:06:01 AM PDT by Gilbo_3 (Trust in the Lord...vote yer conscience...=...LiveFReeOr Die...)
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27 posted on 08/04/2008 6:12:49 AM PDT by Alia
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28 posted on 08/04/2008 6:51:16 AM PDT by hiredhand
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29 posted on 08/04/2008 7:08:37 AM PDT by Ghengis (Of course freedom is free. If it wasn't, it would be called expensivedom. ~Cindy Sheehan 11/11/06)
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To: Gilbo_3; Travis McGee; Squantos; Eaker; AK2KX; Ancesthntr; ApesForEvolution; archy; backhoe; ...
Many natural "sheepdogs" among us are seen as "sheep" by the Official "sheepdogs", and if the "sheep" dare to arm themselves, they are seen as "wolves".
I almost stopped reading several times, as I thought the leo/non leo line of thinking was getting deep...

tis why I always likened myself to the unmentioned fourth category of animal...

A RAM...

I think not. The rams are a part of the sheep herd, after all, and kept for but one service, their natural protective inclinations sublimated and replaced by the *security professional* sheepdog- who is better at nipping at any stray sheep that get in line than he really is at dealing with forays on his flock from multiple predators attacking from different flanks. We are something else. And it is not a herd animal, but something more solitary- we have no great fear if we have to face the wolf pack on our ow, but they'd really rather not have to deal with one of us, even when there are several of them. Besides, there are tasty sheepo to be had, and their only protection is a sheepdog or two.

Indeed, the wolves particularly fear the thought of tangling with one of our females, particularly, especially if she's protecting her young. Nope, back to those tasty ewes and lambs for those hungry wolves. There's more of a future in that.

And by the way: the puppies who think that they're big bad sheepdogs had better not mess with us either.

Theodore Roosevelt: The American grizzly is a symbol of the American character: strength, intelligence, ferocity. Maybe a little blind and reckless at times... but courageous beyond all doubt. And one other trait that goes with all previous.


2nd Reporter: And that, Mr. President?

Theodore Roosevelt: Loneliness. The American grizzly lives out his life alone. Indomitable, unconquered - but always alone. He has no real allies, only enemies, but none of them as great as he.

2nd Reporter: And you feel this might be an American trait?

Theodore Roosevelt: Certainly. The world will never love us. They respect us - they might even grow to fear us. But they will never love us, for we have too much audacity! And, we're a bit blind and reckless at times too.

2nd Reporter: Are you perhaps referring to the situation in Morocco and the Panama Canal?

Theodore Roosevelt: If you say so... The American grizzly embodies the spirit of America. He should be our symbol! Not that ridiculous eagle - he's nothing more than a dandified vulture. Dandified!

-Actor and Former Marine Brian Keith, portraying American President Theodore Roosevelt in the 1975 film The Wind and the Lion


30 posted on 08/04/2008 7:56:16 AM PDT by archy (Et Thybrim multo spumantem sanguine cerno. [from Virgil's *Aeneid*.])
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To: archy
We may well be in the most violent times in history, but violence is still remarkably rare.

Observation:

I have recently been struck by how little social violence, even the most extreme & prolific, affects most people. Saddam's Iraq, Nazi Germany, Sarievo (sp!?), etc.... most people manage to turn these horrible conditions into a mundane living, doing a few things to stay off the radar and otherwise coping tolerably. Those who survive stay wrapped up in their own little mental world; those who don't aren't going to worry about it for long. The sheep herd, as a whole, continues to bleat, nibble grass, and sleep ... doing nothing else so long as they are not eaten, and not concerned for long if they are next on the menu.

Just an observation of how surprisingly much people are willing to put up with.

31 posted on 08/04/2008 8:13:29 AM PDT by ctdonath2 (The average piece of junk is more meaningful than our criticism designating it so. - Ratatouille)
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To: ctdonath2
I have recently been struck by how little social violence, even the most extreme & prolific, affects most people. Saddam's Iraq, Nazi Germany, Sarievo (sp!?), etc.... most people manage to turn these horrible conditions into a mundane living, doing a few things to stay off the radar and otherwise coping tolerably. Those who survive stay wrapped up in their own little mental world; those who don't aren't going to worry about it for long. The sheep herd, as a whole, continues to bleat, nibble grass, and sleep ... doing nothing else so long as they are not eaten, and not concerned for long if they are next on the menu.

Just an observation of how surprisingly much people are willing to put up with.

Just so. It is exactly that effect that the smiling officers are counting on when they politely tell the sheep to board the cattle cars, with the welcome news that a refreshing shower will be awaiting them when they arrive at their destination.

32 posted on 08/04/2008 8:18:01 AM PDT by archy (Et Thybrim multo spumantem sanguine cerno. [from Virgil's *Aeneid*.])
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To: sig226
The sheep would much rather have the sheepdog cash in his fangs, spray paint himself white, and go, “Baa.”

Some sheepdogs use this to their advantage. Properly trained by his Master, the Komondor is both a family pet, and a close-in last-ditch defense for the sheep, because he looks like a sheep. That is, until the wolf makes the fatal mistake of not seeing one "sheep" charging out of the herd, and ripping the wolf's throat out.

Perhaps best described as a "Rottweiler in a ghillie suit" as far as temperament goes, they have to be trained young to downplay their over-protectiveness. And to get their dreadlocks started.

33 posted on 08/04/2008 8:26:30 AM PDT by 300winmag (Deterrence is an activity, Destruction is a profession)
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To: Pistolshot

Please add me to the FR Gun club ping

Thank You


34 posted on 08/04/2008 8:34:19 AM PDT by Conservative4Life (Those who don't learn from the past are condemned to repeat it)
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To: sig226; archy

Put me on it. Thanks.

“Then there are sheepdogs,” he went on, “and I’m a sheepdog. I live to protect the flock and confront the wolf.”

I have felt this way for many years. Sometimes we are just nipping at the heels of the sheep, to help move them in the proper direction.


35 posted on 08/04/2008 8:36:15 AM PDT by wizr ("Praise the Lord and pass the ammunition." - Chaplain Maguire, Pearl Harbor, 1941)
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Over 50 on the FR Gun Club Ping list.

THANK YOU!!!!!

JOIN THE FR GUN CLUB PING LIST HERE!!!

36 posted on 08/04/2008 8:39:25 AM PDT by Pistolshot (Leadership without experience is dangerous. - Lindsey Graham NO B.O.)
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To: Alia
I try to never miss anything written by Mr. Grossman.

Then for sure, you'd best not overlook this:

The Dave Grossman Debate

37 posted on 08/04/2008 8:45:28 AM PDT by archy (Et Thybrim multo spumantem sanguine cerno. [from Virgil's *Aeneid*.])
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To: sig226
Some estimates say that two million Americans are victims of violent crimes every year, a tragic, staggering number, perhaps an all-time record rate of violent crime.

I would venture to say that a huge majority of these violent crimes are committed by illegals, and it's only going to get worse! IF we didn't have their totals added in, it would be much, much less. These are the same criminals we're going to make citizens in the first "hundred days" of the next presiding traitor!!

38 posted on 08/04/2008 8:48:39 AM PDT by NRA2BFree (LIBERALS SHOULD BE EUTHANIZED FOR THE "COMMON GOOD.")
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To: Pistolshot

Please add me to the FR Gun club ping list. Thanks!


39 posted on 08/04/2008 8:49:57 AM PDT by NRA2BFree (LIBERALS SHOULD BE EUTHANIZED FOR THE "COMMON GOOD.")
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To: NRA2BFree

Most of the rest of violent crimes are criminal-on-criminal. Subtract out certain geographically and socially isolated groups, and the crime rate stats plummet.

FWIW: When a notable member of such a group was asked why the perpetrators from those groups victimize members of those groups (trying to stay really PC here, sorry) instead of those outside, he responded that the perps would generally not survive such attacks.


40 posted on 08/04/2008 8:57:27 AM PDT by ctdonath2 (The average piece of junk is more meaningful than our criticism designating it so. - Ratatouille)
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To: sig226

41 posted on 08/04/2008 9:12:55 AM PDT by xp38
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To: Gilbo_3; ExGeeEye; hiredhand; Squantos; El Gato; Dead Corpse; B4Ranch

THE Most BASIC HUMAN RIGHT - self-defense.

I carry a firearm; unabashedly, unashamedly, and even more than a bit defiantly. I am an AMERICAN CITIZEN, with the rights granted by God, defined in the Constitution, and secured by the blood and sacrifice of AMERICAN MANHOOD.

People are safer wherever I am, because THAT is the DUTY, OBLIGATION, and RESPONSIBILITY of ALL who call themselves AMERICAN CITIZENS. If citizens surrender the initiative to the more base and animalistic in society, you get the society that the animalistic deem appropriate.

I choose not to surrender that initiative.

If I can STOP a violent action, I will; If I can PROTECT an INNOCENT life, I will. If I can DEFEND my COUNTRY, MY NEIGHBORHOOD, MY FAMILY, I will.

About sums it up.

Thanks for the ping.

“I was BORN an AMERICAN. I LIVE as an AMERICAN; I shall DIE as an AMERICAN, and I intend to perform the duties incumbent upon me in that character to the end of my career. I mean to do this with ABSOLUTE DISREGARD of personal consequences. “
- Daniel Webster


42 posted on 08/04/2008 9:16:35 AM PDT by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By any means necessary.)
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To: archy

I remember there was an outcry. Thank you very much for the link. Reading.


43 posted on 08/04/2008 9:17:56 AM PDT by Alia
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To: archy
"Thank You" as always archy,

But push comes to shove, I'll be a grizzley that doesnt like the taste of lambchops...

44 posted on 08/04/2008 9:19:45 AM PDT by Gilbo_3 (Trust in the Lord...vote yer conscience...=...LiveFReeOr Die...)
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To: archy

I agree with Teddy about the eagle. It’s a scavenger


45 posted on 08/04/2008 9:25:17 AM PDT by wastedyears (Show me your precious darlings, and I will crush them all)
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To: ctdonath2
Most of the rest of violent crimes are criminal-on-criminal. Subtract out certain geographically and socially isolated groups, and the crime rate stats plummet.

FWIW: When a notable member of such a group was asked why the perpetrators from those groups victimize members of those groups (trying to stay really PC here, sorry) instead of those outside, he responded that the perps would generally not survive such attacks.

Are you talking about gangs, as in Mexican gangs killing blacks in CA, just because they're black, and vice versa? I'm not PC. LOL

46 posted on 08/04/2008 9:30:29 AM PDT by NRA2BFree (LIBERALS SHOULD BE EUTHANIZED FOR THE "COMMON GOOD.")
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To: sig226

The sheep comment is very appropriate - and in tune with my long-standing signature.

I remember reading of a violent incident at a K-Mart where the shoppers were aware of the problem. I think it was a nutcase with a knife running around and shouting.

One customer later commented that his kid asked him “Dad do you have your gun?” (a big No No IMO). Other customers heard the kid and started to gather around the guy for protection. Probably the same ones who would have been against passage of CCW.


47 posted on 08/04/2008 9:38:19 AM PDT by Oatka (A society of sheep must in time beget a government of wolves." –Bertrand de Jouvenel)
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To: Oatka
One customer later commented that his kid asked him “Dad do you have your gun?” (a big No No IMO). Other customers heard the kid and started to gather around the guy for protection. Probably the same ones who would have been against passage of CCW.

My daughter and I were in a grocery store one evening when we heard two carts collide and an argument start.

When we rounded the corner here were two men. One tall, 6 foot, about 185 pounds squaring off with a shorter fatter guy......with garden tools.
One had the little 3-prong rake, the other the small trowel shovel.

It was hilarious, I started laughing out loud and they both started giving me grief for laughing at them. They BOTH turned and brandished their 'weapons' at me.

I calmly moved my coat open so they could SEE the 1911 I was carrying in it's holster. I then informed them we were walking to the store office to call the police.

They were both pretty meek after that.

48 posted on 08/04/2008 9:46:08 AM PDT by Pistolshot (Leadership without experience is dangerous. - Lindsey Graham NO B.O.)
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To: NRA2BFree

I’m talking violent gangs vs. polite middle class.

I recall a deputy commenting that such behavior would be ... um ... dealt with. And I have reason to believe my polite pretty neighborhood is way more armed than any ghetto block.


49 posted on 08/04/2008 10:11:57 AM PDT by ctdonath2 (The average piece of junk is more meaningful than our criticism designating it so. - Ratatouille)
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To: archy; Gilbo_3

I think the search to define us as sheepdogs, rams or grizzly bears is a futile one because we are the chosen ones who protect America and her citizens. We are the eagles constantly observing the herd animals shifting from one plateau to another. We are the ones who take note of the hungry carnivors who trail behind the herds killing their young and unprotected aged. We are the ones who examine the corpses taking note that the fallen were stricken with viruses and diseases brought to our land from offshore invaders.

We are the only ones who have to courage to stand and fight the Quislings. It is our job to determine if our laws and politics have been corrupted to a such a state of desperation that arms are necessary to bring our Republic back to health.

The burden on our shoulders is indeed a heavy one. We have been selected for the task as protectors because we are not animals. We wisely do not instantly respond to all attacks the way an animal would because we recognize that some attacks are searches seeking to gain knowledge of our size, strength and capability. The Quislings need to know what our plans are. They must determine how to defeat us if they are to continue. These traitors fear us because we believe in a power that they can never defeat and it sure isn’t Islam.

I tend to view my fellow patriots as something good for all humanity such as an antibacterial antibiotic, say penicillin.


50 posted on 08/04/2008 10:45:38 AM PDT by B4Ranch (Having custody of a loaded weapon does not arm you. The skill to use the weapon is what arms a man.)
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