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FR Gun Club - Let's see the 1911s

Posted on 08/27/2008 4:05:36 AM PDT by sig226

It was adopted in 1911 and is probably the longest serving military weapon ever devised. Although the English Webley revolver lasted a few more years of continous service, the Colt 1911A1 was shelved, then returned to service.

Some folks just like the caliber, others love the pistol. It was adopted because.38 caliber revolvers failed to stop the Mauro Tribesmen in the Phillippine Insurrection. .30 caliber Krag - Jorgenson rifles also failed to stop the Mauros, most likely because they ate opium, but the United States decided to standardize a larger caliber.

They first took up the Colt Model 1911 designed by John Browning. They changed it to the 1911A1 in 1924, after reviewing complaints from soldiers in World War I. This photo shows the differences.

The trigger was one of the best found on a military sidearm due to the single action fire control. It was used in Bullseye matches and a small industry evolved to modify the pistol to make it more accurate. Over the years, plenty of gunsmiths earned a comfortable living doing just this.

Of course, it evolved into the highly modified 'race guns' used in IPSC matches; pistols that have almost no practical utility at all, but are a hoot to fire on a timed course.

After the United States switched to the Beretta M9 9mm pistol, plenty of gun people thought the 1911 was destined to die an ignominious death at the hands of the 'wonder nine.' But along came Bill Clinton, who took away the high capacity magazine and thus eliminated the advantage of the 16 shot 9mm over the 8 shot .45. If you have to carry a thin gun anyway, it might as well make a big hole . . .

You can get a new 1911 for around $500.00 for a Springfield 1911 GI (the plain Jane model) all the way up to $4,000.00 if you want the top of the line from makers like Nighthawk. Or you can get your Brownell's Catalog and make your own.


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This one began life as a scratched - up, green Springfield 1911A1 Loaded.

Let's see 'em!

1 posted on 08/27/2008 4:05:36 AM PDT by sig226
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To: CholeraJoe; Slip18; sig226; Shooter 2.5; Manly Warrior; DaveLoneRanger; Eaker; P8riot; ...

ping


2 posted on 08/27/2008 4:06:30 AM PDT by sig226 (Obama '08 - No, You Can't.)
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To: sig226
Here's a picture of mine...

Ain't she a beaut?

3 posted on 08/27/2008 4:09:13 AM PDT by Andonius_99 (There are two sides to every issue. One is right, the other is wrong; but the middle is always evil.)
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To: sig226

Bkmrk for gun porn to come. This model is the cream of the crop. In all its variation and all its builds. Its the t*ts!


4 posted on 08/27/2008 4:25:16 AM PDT by Tainan (Talk is cheap. Silence is golden. All I got is brass...lotsa brass.)
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To: sig226
Alrightythen...


5 posted on 08/27/2008 4:27:07 AM PDT by xcamel (Conservatives start smart, and get rich, liberals start rich, and get stupid.)
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To: sig226

What were the complaints from the soldiers. It doesn’t look like too much changed cosmetically.

My Dad still carries his from his Army days.


6 posted on 08/27/2008 4:29:35 AM PDT by doodad
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To: sig226

IMO,The best damn pistol period.


7 posted on 08/27/2008 4:33:44 AM PDT by HANG THE EXPENSE (Defeat liberalism, its the right thing to do for America.)
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To: sig226
My preferred carry. A stainless Springfield .45ACP Champion modified in 1997 by the late Joe Bonar of Novak's in WV.


8 posted on 08/27/2008 4:45:50 AM PDT by P8riot (I carry a gun because I can't carry a cop.)
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To: sig226

My 45s are of the Ruger Bisley Vaquero persuasion (got bit by the SASS bug....)

I also have a Smith & Wesson model 25-7 in 45LC, with unfluted cylinder, bull barrel and Hogue grips, that has the best trigger I have ever felt on any firearm.


9 posted on 08/27/2008 4:54:44 AM PDT by Renfield (Turning apples into venison since 1999!)
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To: sig226

Who made the grips?

Some of my 1911’s are on my profile page. My daugter in law is shooting her Kimber in one of the pictures.


10 posted on 08/27/2008 5:04:11 AM PDT by Shooter 2.5 (NRA - Vote against the dem party)
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To: imahawk

All the bells and whistles are exactly where they’re needed with one of the greatest trigger pulls made.

It also will shoot lead bullets without a problem so you can practice more.


11 posted on 08/27/2008 5:05:54 AM PDT by Shooter 2.5 (NRA - Vote against the dem party)
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To: Shooter 2.5

The best.


12 posted on 08/27/2008 5:13:19 AM PDT by HANG THE EXPENSE (Defeat liberalism, its the right thing to do for America.)
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To: sig226
I would love to own one. I never got a chance to fire one in the Air Force. My first issued sidearm was a S&W 38 special and then we got the M-9s.

The family financial manager has temporarily suspended my discretionary gun purchasing rights and I'm limited to buying ammo and targets until I pay down my credit card.

13 posted on 08/27/2008 5:25:23 AM PDT by mbynack (Retired USAF SMSgt)
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To: doodad
What were the complaints from the soldiers

Originally, the 1911 was tested in service by the cavalry. They found a few things that really needed help.

The hammer was wide and had a sharp edge on the rear, this couppled with the shorter tang on the grip safety caused 'hammer-bite'. Bad thing to happen on horseback.

Next, the trigger was too long to accomodate the hands of most troopers.(Cavalrymen averaged 5ft 5 in in height.)
Sights, the round 'U' rear sight, coupled with the half moon front sight were just about impossible. to see.
The magazines had a weak weld on the back, the floorplate, and thin lips at the feed area. These failed more often than not.

The recoil spring was an open-ended spring and lost tension after a few thousand rounds.

To correct some of these issues, the trigger was shortened.
Lightening cuts were made to the frame just to the rear of the triggerguard.
The hammer has narrowed and the length of the tang on the grip safety lengthened.
The magazines went from a pinned anf tac welded floorplate to a completely welded floorplate.
The follower was beefed up, and the steel around the feed area hardened.
The recoil spring was beefed up by double turning one end and going to a larger diameter.

The 1911 and it's subsequent children have been a mainstay of defensive handguns for nearly a century. There have been improvements in technology for firearms, but the yardstick they are measured against is essentially the same gun as John Browning first designed in 1903 and perfected for the military in 1911.

Here's one of mine. It's a custom Commander that started as a Colt frame from the 80's. It is extrememly reliable, fitted barrel, bushing, trigger breaks at 4 lbs and it can drive nails at 25 yards. It's the one I carry more often than any of the other 1911's I have. On the outside it appears like any other Commander, but on the inside, it's a jewel.

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14 posted on 08/27/2008 5:28:04 AM PDT by Pistolshot (NObama/Biden - The Bloviators.)
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To: mbynack
SarntMajor, another good thing about M1911's is that used ones pop up all the time. A lot of folks have an 'old' one around that they decide to just get rid of. Sad to say, but a lot of widows sell ones that their husbands had around the house after he passes.
I've seen some good ones change hand in this way...at a good price to both parties. Keep your ears open and maybe you'll luck into a good deal.
15 posted on 08/27/2008 5:31:06 AM PDT by Tainan (Talk is cheap. Silence is golden. All I got is brass...lotsa brass.)
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To: sig226

I’d like to show you mine, but it’s still in pieces, because I broke it down too far when cleaning it and can’t get it back together right.

I should never of removed the mainspring housing. But it seems like there’s something disconnected up by the hammer.
The connecting rod from the hammer down to the mainspring still does what it’s supposed to, there must be some other ‘safety’ interlock that came undone.

It’s a SA 1911 with ILS. Any suggestions?


16 posted on 08/27/2008 5:38:55 AM PDT by revtown
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To: sig226
Here's mine...


17 posted on 08/27/2008 5:42:04 AM PDT by andy58-in-nh (A society of sheep must in time beget a government of wolves.)
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To: sig226
Does my Coonan .357 Mag built on a 1911 frame count?

18 posted on 08/27/2008 5:48:50 AM PDT by Clint N. Suhks ( Frau Blucher!)
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To: sig226

Back in the day this was the gun of my dreams.

AMT Hardballer Longslide

19 posted on 08/27/2008 5:52:29 AM PDT by Pontiac (Your message here.)
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To: sig226
It was adopted because.38 caliber revolvers failed to stop the Mauro Tribesmen in the Philippine Insurrection. .30 caliber Krag - Jorgenson rifles also failed to stop the Mauros, most likely because they ate opium, but the United States decided to standardize a larger caliber.

The way I heard it the Philippine Tribesmen tied a string around their penis which caused their bladder to back up and poison their systems....making them totally immune to pain. They did this in preparation for suicide charges. The .45 was developed so that a hit anywhere (even in the palm of an outstretched hand) would knock them down. The smaller stuff just poked small holes in them and they kept coming.

20 posted on 08/27/2008 5:53:39 AM PDT by Retired COB (Still mad about Campaign Finance Reform)
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