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Boston Jews abandon Obama
My Family | 9/21/08 | Vanity

Posted on 09/21/2008 4:30:30 PM PDT by pabianice

DISCLAIMER: the following is based upon a large birthday party in Boston for my cousin. All of us are Jewish. There were way more than 20 of us there, satisfying the requirement of the central limit theorem for statistical reliability. This took place in Boston, the East Coast capital of lunatic liberalism. All comments and conclusions are mine.

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My wife and I were at a large birthday party last night in Boston for a cousin. The talk soon turned to politics. As a conservative Jew I have become accustomed to hearing the worst sort of lies about McCain and Palin, many unrepeatable in public or to children. By the same token, comments from my family about Obama started the season as almost worshipful; Obama was the Chosen One to lead Liberalism from the wilderness while banishing the evil Bushies and their minions. What a surprise last night.

There remained one staunch Obama supporter in the group of us cousins and close friends. She will hear no complaint about Obama and says, in a loud voice, that Bush is Worse than Hitler. (How an educated Jew can say that mystifies me and tells me just how far has fallen Reform Jewery in its education, ability to think, and sense of reality). But the rest of the group was a surprise. "Jennie," a woman who had been at the forefront of the anti-U.S. movement in the late 60s and had angrily taken-down from her parents mantle my picture in Navy uniform, now confided in me that she could never vote for Obama, 'a clear racist.' She, a former fervent anti-gun agitator, astounded me with her telling, in a soft voice so as not be be overheard, that she had become an NRA member, had received her LTC, and packed a Beretta .32 in her purse nowadays. That gave me the opportunity to discuss the relative merits of the AMT Backup .380 I will not visit Boston without and that was snug in my pocket holster at the moment. I was just recovering from that conversation when a much older aunt told me that her Jewish friends in Florida had turned away from Obama, his crazy minister, his Muslim friends, and his saying that Jerusalem had to be "divided" with the homicidal Palestinians. Obama is going to have a very bad Jewish day in Florida on November 5. Then another cousin -- a lawyer and CPA -- and I talked about business, and he went on at some length about how clueless Obama and Biden are about how to help business. He was perplexed at their ignorance and socialist leanings. Two other female cousins said they couldn't support McCain but were writing-in Hillary because they couldn't vote for Obama. Still another cousin said Obama is "an empty suit" and that she will not vote for him. She may stay home but she won't vote for Obama. A cousin in from Berkeley, CA, also said she couldn't support Obama and his crypto anti-Semitism and didn't know who'd she vote for. An elderly cousin said that Obama's refusal to actually lay-out any potential policies left her confused. Finally, another older cousin told me privately that Obama and his advisers just plain scare him.

This is an unscientific but highly interesting sample of Boston Jews who should be Obama's biggest supporters. They aren't.


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1 posted on 09/21/2008 4:30:30 PM PDT by pabianice
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To: pabianice
There were way more than 20 of us there, satisfying the requirement of the central limit theorem for statistical reliability.

I suspect the way the sample was selected may not have been random.

2 posted on 09/21/2008 4:32:34 PM PDT by AndyTheBear (Disastrous social experimentation is the opiate of elitist snobs.)
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To: AndyTheBear

As random as any family covering 70 years in age and the entire U.S.


3 posted on 09/21/2008 4:33:48 PM PDT by pabianice
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To: pabianice

Interesting report, thanks.


4 posted on 09/21/2008 4:36:08 PM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: pabianice
And now from the Irish Catholic Veteran community on FR. There may be one mutant somewhere in my extended family but McCain will be getting about 100 votes from the extended clan.

I'm glad to hear some of our fellow Israel supporters are joining us. :-}

5 posted on 09/21/2008 4:37:49 PM PDT by jwalsh07 (MSM Lied, Journalism Died. RIP 2008)
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To: pabianice
This is great news. It is long overdue that all those of the Jewish faith come on over to the party that has stood by Israel unwaveringly and will never allow a partition of Jerusalem.
6 posted on 09/21/2008 4:38:49 PM PDT by 1-Eagle (Barack Hussein Obama brings change... he changes his position every five minutes.)
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To: pabianice
Posted this comment on another thread about a conversation I had last night with a friend in South America. Hope you don't mind the double post but does run in sync with what your saying.

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Friend of mine called last night from down in South America where he owns a large cattle ranch.
He has a vacation home in Montauk, New York and belongs to several different Jewish groups in that area.

When we discussed politic’s this staunch Democrat became livid that Palin had been disinvited.

He said that this year he and most of his mainly Democrat friends would be voting for McCain because he could not stomach the thought of of a radical inexperienced candidate like 0bama sitting as POTUS.

BTW: his wife has never voted for a Republican but this year she is supporting McCain Palin.

The poll's scare me but maybe many folks are like him and just doing the Bradley Affect.

7 posted on 09/21/2008 4:41:23 PM PDT by OKIEDOC (The Difference Between Palin and Obama is Common Sense, She's GOT IT, He DOESN'T)
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To: pabianice
re: Palestinians... there is only one solution, and I have been advocating that for many years: Buy them an Island. They have proven they are not good neighbors (nice way of putting it) and nobody wants them so lets put them somewhere nice and quiet and isolated where it will be harder for them to cause harm to the rest of the world. I think its a great idea.
8 posted on 09/21/2008 4:42:51 PM PDT by 1-Eagle (Barack Hussein Obama brings change... he changes his position every five minutes.)
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To: pabianice

Did anybody discuss the “uninviting” of Palin at the anti-Ahmadinejad rally in NYC?


9 posted on 09/21/2008 4:44:06 PM PDT by livius
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To: pabianice

A conservative is a liberal that’s been mugged.


10 posted on 09/21/2008 4:45:02 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (Barack Obama: In Error and arrogant -- he's errogant!)
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To: pabianice

I hope people go to the polls and vote for somebody though, since it appears Obama for America and ACORN are registering people without them knowing it and stealing their identity...ie, you may be on record voting for Obama even if you don’t go to the polls.


11 posted on 09/21/2008 4:46:28 PM PDT by PowerPro (McCain/Palin FTW)
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To: pabianice

I have a few Jewish friends who usually vote democrat. (I could never understand this, but anyways..)

This year each and every one has either indicated that they are backing McCain.

As one friend explained, a Jew voting for B. Hussein Obama is about as smart as a chicken voting for Col. Sanders.


12 posted on 09/21/2008 4:48:00 PM PDT by proudpapa (McCain - Palin'08)
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To: pabianice
I will tell you something, here where i live, somewhere in Quebec, we have a strong Jewish community...and without a doubt, my relatives (mixture of Liberals and conservatives)if they were able to vote in the USA the trend would be towards McCain - This doesn't mean much, but maybe, just maybe some Jews might see the light (not the rabid Liberal ones) but the more moderates (if they exist)

But we could never understand why Jews vote the way they do...Just don't get it????

I wonder how many American Jews looking here on FR are undecided, would be curious....

13 posted on 09/21/2008 4:49:10 PM PDT by forYourChildrenVote4Bush (Today, July 16th I no longer donate money for Israel)
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To: livius

Did anybody discuss the “uninviting” of Palin at the anti-Ahmadinejad rally in NYC?
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There must obviously be a wide range of opinion and strength in the Jewish community at large. They were probably too embarassed to discuss it....I would be if I were a Jew.


14 posted on 09/21/2008 4:50:29 PM PDT by EagleUSA
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To: pabianice

Can you tell us whether everyone voted for Kerry and Gore in 2004, and 2000? That would be interesting to know.


15 posted on 09/21/2008 4:51:09 PM PDT by o2bfree
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To: pabianice

I can only hope your observation has validity beyond your family gathering and into the community at large


16 posted on 09/21/2008 4:51:13 PM PDT by fso301
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To: pabianice

Someone needs to post a report from Rockville, Md., to see where things are headed.


17 posted on 09/21/2008 4:51:46 PM PDT by rabidralph (She shoots, she scores!)
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To: OKIEDOC
his mainly Democrat friends would be voting for McCain because he could not stomach the thought of of a radical inexperienced candidate like 0bama sitting as POTUS.

The poll's scare me but maybe many folks are like him and just doing the Bradley Affect.

The first statement show a well thought out reasoned reason not to vote for nObama and then a tosser to make it sound like a racial thing. The Brady Effect is in no way "like" the gentleman quoted. I do not want to be combative but I want to see if you understand that what your friend said is not related to the BE and should stand alone as a good talking point.

18 posted on 09/21/2008 4:51:51 PM PDT by IllumiNaughtyByNature (I Love The Smell Of Schmidt Storm in the Morning...and Afternoon....and at Night!!!!!)
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To: pabianice
Pabiance, thanks for the encouraging anecdote. I too live in the People's Republic of Massachusetts, and I there are more McCain-Palin supporters up here than people might think. Not enough to move the state into the red column on November 4th, but...there are some.

If you see this bumpersticker on Rt. 128, give me a honk and a wave (with an open hand facing out, of course, so I can tell the difference from the other kind...:)

And by the way...thanks for your service!

19 posted on 09/21/2008 4:53:16 PM PDT by rlmorel (Who is Saul Alinsky and why is Barack Obama a disciple of his methods?)
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To: AndyTheBear

Mazel Tov! There is hope for my Jewish Brothers and Sisters.

I really get mad when I hear people make the Bush - Hitler compairson. Bush had guts to prevent another Hitler. Getting rid of Hussien freed 75,000,000 Iraqi’s.

Maybe freedom was not right for them but he got rid of a Cancer.

If your ever in DC. Take a few hours and visit the Holocaust Museum. You will learn that had the US and the world delt with Hitler in 1938 the the world would have been a much better place today.

Iran is a festering sore. It needs to be resolved or another Hitler is waiting to destroy the world.


20 posted on 09/21/2008 4:54:43 PM PDT by ncfool (Obama --- "Jihad is the only true Muslim way")
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To: livius
"Did anybody discuss the “uninviting” of Palin at the anti-Ahmadinejad rally in NYC?"

That was a head fake headline. They didn't dis-invite just Palin...they dis-invited all politicians because they were turning it into a circus after Hillary decided not to go.

21 posted on 09/21/2008 4:58:24 PM PDT by Earthdweller (Socialism makes you feel better about oppressing people.....)
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To: pabianice
I don't think the pseudo-statistical central theorem crack helps but in fact, the survey says.. perhaps you are right. I found this posted on the John Bachelor thread about the Iran Rally.. and this is before the horrible stink descended.

One other thing, what do you make of this New York Shock Poll: Jews Now Favor McCain in New York, 54-32...

http://www.commentarymagazine.com/blogs/index.php/jpodhoretz/31061

22 posted on 09/21/2008 5:00:59 PM PDT by dalight
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To: pabianice
Cool report and glad to hear the Jews are not clueless and seeing through Barry's facade.


23 posted on 09/21/2008 5:01:26 PM PDT by Lady GOP
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To: pabianice

Is your family large enough to turn MA into a McCain win? Please check your closets!!


24 posted on 09/21/2008 5:01:40 PM PDT by Melinda
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To: Earthdweller

Who were the other politicians? If even Dov Hivkind (very much a DEM) thought it was disgraceful that Palin was “disinvited,” it obviously looked to him as if this was not just a general response.


25 posted on 09/21/2008 5:04:12 PM PDT by livius
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To: Melinda

It’s not about turning MA red, it’s about turning PA red.
PA has a large presence of Jewish voters and blue collar union voters. Both voting blocs may well become Obama’s achilles’ heels.


26 posted on 09/21/2008 5:06:09 PM PDT by maccaca (puma)
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To: pabianice

“Liberal reform Jew” = “Six-pointed unitarian”.

(From a non-observant son of a lapsed orthodox Jew.)


27 posted on 09/21/2008 5:06:45 PM PDT by MainFrame65 (The US Senate: World's greatest PREVARICATIVE body!.)
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To: Melinda

Hehe, there are a lot of us in the PRM, more than you would think. The problem is (and we all know it) that older people are much more likely to vote.

Those older people up here are all starry-eyed over the likes of Kennedy and Kerry, sad to say. Perhaps when they are gone (Kennedy and Kerry) things might change.

You never know.


28 posted on 09/21/2008 5:07:01 PM PDT by rlmorel (Who is Saul Alinsky and why is Barack Obama a disciple of his methods?)
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To: Thud

fyi


29 posted on 09/21/2008 5:07:57 PM PDT by Dark Wing
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
My dear daughter, raised and educated in California, had to spend several years in San Francisco. It totally transfomed her from to as she likes to call it.

Homesless urinaing in all the bushes at Union Square. Asians who don't know how to drive a car -- and twice ran her into the curb. Taxes for all the dysfunctional afflictions of humanity. Politicins in the Assembly on the take for any nutty cause.

She's had it. Not yet ready for McCain, but in the shivers for anything with a DEMOCRAT label. God bless her willingness to look at things as they are.

30 posted on 09/21/2008 5:10:17 PM PDT by plangent
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To: pabianice

Commence Broken Record: Obama’s base is defecting in large numbers, he is the worst candidate for President in the history of this country. He’s so bad it’s hard to ignore and it’s not just us who are noticing.

Obama will lose in a landslide.


31 posted on 09/21/2008 5:10:27 PM PDT by word_warrior_bob (You can now see my amazing doggie and new puppy on my homepage!! Come say hello to Jake & Sonny)
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To: 1-Eagle

Buy them an Island
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Wouldn’t work. They’d be at war with the marine life off their coast instead of establishing a fishing and hospitality industry . They’d blame the resulting economic conditions on Israel and the United States and the terrorism would continue due to the support from the same people who finance them now, which sadly includes us. They’d never accept an Island and Gaza is proof that they can not govern themselves and are unable to live anywhere in peace. They continue to support terror and elect terrorists to represent them. When the Palestinians stop indoctrinating their children to hate and kill I might take my earplugs off. Until then, I discount their pathetic ramblings as unworthy of my time or sympathy.

Their status in life is directly attributable to Arab leadership. Until they realise and accept that fact they don’t have much to look forward to except more violence and more isolation. There can never be peace when only one side wishes it.


32 posted on 09/21/2008 5:14:10 PM PDT by Joan Kerrey
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To: pabianice

Obama can lie about not hearing rev. Wright’s anti-American and racist sermons but what did Obama do when his church honored Louis Farrakhan???

Obama didn’t say a thing. In fact, he just kept going to that so-called church.

Any Jewish person that votes for Obama (1) isn’t really Jewish, (2) is looking the other way, or (3) is just plain stupid.


33 posted on 09/21/2008 5:14:38 PM PDT by boycott
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To: rlmorel
I was shocked when I first saw the number of Freepers from Massachusetts. I thought I was the only one LOL!

I do have to say that I work in an office that is mostly male and all are voting for McCain. There is one female in the office and she always votes Democrat but doesn't know if she can vote for Obama due to the Reverend Wright fiasco.

Also, there are not half as many Obama bumper stickers compared to Kerry stickers in 04. Many in Massachusetts voted for Hillary and were ticked to see how she was treated IMO.

34 posted on 09/21/2008 5:14:56 PM PDT by MissyMa
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To: 1-Eagle

Or how about that big chunk of ice that broke away in Antarctica a while back?


35 posted on 09/21/2008 5:16:56 PM PDT by Beowulf9
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To: pabianice

Good to hear, friend.

I am Jewish as well but my parents were both Reagan Democrats and my grandparents have voted Republican since they voted for Dewey in 1948. Both my parents have Nobama 08 bumper stickers on their cars, and I do as well. Obviously this is very different than your typical American Jewish family.


36 posted on 09/21/2008 5:18:53 PM PDT by LiberalsSpendYourMoney (Barry, you're more racist than 99% of Americans. And you're ugly.)
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To: livius
I can't find the article that mentions who was originally invited but I did find this...kind of explains the “circus” part of it.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2087053/posts

Dems Threaten Anti-Iran Rally Organizers With IRS Attack if They Let Palin Speak

I remember thinking that it was gracious of the organizers to state that 'no politicians will be invited' so that these people would not feel so pleasured at what they had done.

I hope they organize another rally...

37 posted on 09/21/2008 5:18:57 PM PDT by Earthdweller (Socialism makes you feel better about oppressing people.....)
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To: LiberalsSpendYourMoney

That should read Reagan Republicans, not Reagan Democrats.


38 posted on 09/21/2008 5:19:48 PM PDT by LiberalsSpendYourMoney (Barry, you're more racist than 99% of Americans. And you're ugly.)
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To: MainFrame65
“Liberal reform Jew” = “Six-pointed unitarian”.

(From a non-observant son of a lapsed orthodox Jew.)

Well, its never too late to start observing.

And the Reform Jews are drifting towards actually believing in God rather than the Democrat party only. Honestly, as a Jew who loves attending a Reform Temple.. you may have a bit of a point, but I have found my congregation to be much more giving, caring and respecting than any Unitarian congregation.

The 1999 Reform platform is not 180 degrees from the Pittsburgh platform of its founding but ultimately the Reform movement is on a awesome path of increasing faith and rational discourse. And this in spite of the fact that the URJ and Rabbi Yoffee and the leadership seem to be completely clueless about everything else.

I may have a minority view, but I know that no position in the Temple is barred to me, and I have always been welcomed with open arms even as they scratched their heads about my Patriot Guard pins and such.

My friend who I decided not to have a knockdown drag out about Cindy Sheehan, whom he reveres, loaned me his truck to carry flags to a Soldier's funeral when my car broke down without a second thought. We don't see eye to eye about politics but we do about God. And at Temple thats what matters to me.

39 posted on 09/21/2008 5:22:56 PM PDT by dalight
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To: word_warrior_bob

“Obama will lose in a landslide.” Oh, I do profoundly hope so. His candidacy is both absurd and dangerous and is indicative of the bankruptcy of the Democrat Party.

For me, this election is a test of whether our country has lost its senses.


40 posted on 09/21/2008 5:23:07 PM PDT by Malesherbes
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To: pabianice

Thank you for sharing and happy new year!


41 posted on 09/21/2008 5:25:03 PM PDT by Buckeye Battle Cry (Life is too short to go through it clenched of sphincter and void of humor - it's okay to laugh.)
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To: jwalsh07
The members of my family and my friends all feel the same about Obama and the democrat party. We don't trust them with anything of any importance. These are middle class people who mostly consider themselves Independent voters. When we all get together we talk about the democrats selling out to the radical left. Most of us feel that Obama is a communist stooge the left has been grooming to become their patsy in the White House. The media would expose this charade if it wasn't involved in the plot.
42 posted on 09/21/2008 5:32:36 PM PDT by peeps36 ( Al Gore Is A Big Fat Lying Hypocrite. He Pollutes The Air By Opening His Big Mouth)
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To: pabianice

Anyone at the party who was carrying was in violation of the law in Mass. My husband hates to even drive through Mass., let alone stop there for even a potty stop!

No handguns allowed. None. Someone here will tell me if I’m wrong.....


43 posted on 09/21/2008 5:34:59 PM PDT by trimom
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To: pabianice

What do they know that my New York City jewish friends don’t know?


44 posted on 09/21/2008 5:38:25 PM PDT by Silly (Question O-thority.com)
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To: MissyMa

I will accept the fact that someone will vote for McCain-Palin with an anger or protest motive, but I have to admit, I find it disturbing.

How on earth, apart from sexism, could someone vote for a ticket with Palin on it as an alternative to Clinton? If there was a ruler with Obama at beginning of the ruler and Palin at the 12” mark, Clinton would be at the 2 - 2 1/2” mark.

She is as committed to socialism and Marxism as Obama, but she has simply found out how much of it can be revealed to the electorate and keeps it under wraps as much as possible.

Obama has found this out too, but his trail is far too fresh.

This boggles my mind.


45 posted on 09/21/2008 5:43:13 PM PDT by rlmorel (Who is Saul Alinsky and why is Barack Obama a disciple of his methods?)
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To: trimom

Not true, trimom. I have a license to carry concealed. You can get it in this state, but you have to go through your police chief in your town or city. It is up to them.

I think this is unconstitutional, but that is the way it is, and...I do have a permit.


46 posted on 09/21/2008 5:44:46 PM PDT by rlmorel (Who is Saul Alinsky and why is Barack Obama a disciple of his methods?)
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To: Beowulf9
Or how about that big chunk of ice that broke away in Antarctica a while back?

Works for me. Lets do it ;)

47 posted on 09/21/2008 5:45:09 PM PDT by 1-Eagle (Barack Hussein Obama brings change... he changes his position every five minutes.)
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To: pabianice
I think the Bradley effect has the dimocRATS worried big time. I believe that is the reason the msm and dimocRATS have stepped up the race issue. Hopefully a majority of Jews will come to their senses this election. I know a lot of Latino’s do not care for Blacks.
48 posted on 09/21/2008 5:45:37 PM PDT by Parley Baer
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To: pabianice
I live in Central NJ. Today I was out and about in my Mc Cain/Palin’08 tee shirt. I was a tad apprehensive, yet set out prepared for any verbal abuse or worse. To my surprise I received a “thumbs up”.. a lot of big smiles and was treated extra nice by even young store clerks. If NJ didn't have voter fraud galore, I swear we would be a RED state.
49 posted on 09/21/2008 5:47:32 PM PDT by divine_moment_of_facts ( "The carnage of the free love generation has come home to roost.")
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To: rlmorel
I agree it is bizarre but I have been over to the PUMA site and the anger for Obama is so strong that I think they would vote for Elmo before him. They see McCain as a Republican they can trust and has honor. Many do not agree with his political positions, but he is a man of who puts his country first vs. his ego first. The biggest thing is because they want to see Hillary run again in 12 which will not happen if Obama wins.

Of course they felt this way before Palin was even selected, but the Palin factor is the icing on the cake.

50 posted on 09/21/2008 5:50:06 PM PDT by MissyMa
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