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Woman Stabs Pit Bull In Home Invasion
WFMY ^

Posted on 11/22/2008 5:19:40 PM PST by Chet 99

Archdale, NC -- It sounds too bizarre to be true, but a local woman fended off a four-legged intruder's attack with a butcher knife.

Nancy Verzone says a loose pit bull first went after her rat terrier in her backyard. When she snatched her dog from the pit bull's jaws, the attacking dog followed her inside.

"Here I was just stabbing just as hard as I could to get him to let go and he kept coming and coming," says Verzone, who has the bloody t-shirt to prove it. "The harder I stabbed the more he got mad," she says.

Randolph County Health Director MiMi Cooper sees the incident as a warning to keep dogs restrained. "Wake up people. You've got to take care of your dogs, you cannot let dogs run loose," says Cooper. "Dogs are predators."

Verzone says her rat terrier was injured so badly, she had her veterinarian euthanize the dog.

The pitbull's owner shot the dog in the head and buried it in his yard. Animal Control later made him dig it up so the dog could be sent to Raleigh for rabies testing. Cooper says because of the bullet wound to the pitbull's head, rabies testing came up inconclusive. Verzone is now receiving rabies vaccinations for her dog bite.

"It was the most heart wrenching thing for me to have to do that to that animal," says Verzone. "But it was either me or him."

The pit bull's owner promised to cover Verzone's rabies vaccination bill. The price tag tops $2400 dollars for a series of at least five shots. WFMY News 2


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1 posted on 11/22/2008 5:19:40 PM PST by Chet 99
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To: Chet 99

Never bring a knife to a dogfight.


2 posted on 11/22/2008 5:28:22 PM PST by Emmett McCarthy
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To: Chet 99

Maybe the pit bull’s owner should be made to take the shots himself- so he learns just how very painful those things are!!


3 posted on 11/22/2008 5:28:26 PM PST by ridesthemiles
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To: Chet 99

This is why you shouldn’t let your health insurance lapse. A dog may run into your kitchen and bite you. And then you’d have to buy rabies shots out of pocket.

The socialized-medicine crew would want the Feds(and by extension, US) to pay for those shots.


4 posted on 11/22/2008 5:29:40 PM PST by worst-case scenario (Striving to reach the light)
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To: Chet 99
.... It sounds too bizarre to be true, but a local woman fended off a four-legged intruder's attack with a butcher knife.

Actually, it doesn't for this forum tonight.

This is the 3rd report of pit bull attacks in the last 2 hours. All 3 dead.

Kill 'em all, let Lassie sort them out.

5 posted on 11/22/2008 5:29:51 PM PST by SGCOS
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To: Chet 99

Vaccinate your dogs. Most places have a free rabies clinic yearly.


6 posted on 11/22/2008 5:31:03 PM PST by CindyDawg (Lord, please bless America)
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To: Chet 99

I own dogs, but I believe pit bulls should be outlawed. It killed that woman’s little terrier, think what it could do to a toddler. Pit bulls have killed adults or severely injured them numerous times. All this stuff about “if you raise them right they’re not violent” may be true, or may not, but it seems people who choose pit bulls as pets are the very same types not inclined to raise them right or keep them restrained. Therefore for the public safety, a breed that is proven to be dangerous should be illegal.


7 posted on 11/22/2008 5:33:36 PM PST by baa39 (www.FightFOCA.com - innocent lives depend on you)
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To: Chet 99

Wonder if the pit bull was named “Islam”? So many parallels there.

Wonder what’s going on lately, it seems there’s been a spate of pit bull stories posted lately. So far in this series, one good, all the rest bad.


8 posted on 11/22/2008 5:34:07 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: baa39

Do you have a good enough description of a pit bull to ban them?


9 posted on 11/22/2008 5:35:01 PM PST by LongElegantLegs (Deplore the profligate scattering of corpses!)
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10 posted on 11/22/2008 5:39:11 PM PST by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: LongElegantLegs

> Do you have a good enough description of a pit bull to ban them?

Like some famous lawmaker said of pornography: “I can’t define it, but I know it when I see it.”

As with pornography, so with pit bulls: because they are mungrel mutts there is no standard “breed description”. That is part of the whole problem!

So, the ban needs to encompass “dangerous mungrel mutts that look like, and behave like, pit bulls.” As descriptons go, that is more than adequate.


11 posted on 11/22/2008 5:43:31 PM PST by DieHard the Hunter (Is mise an ceann-cinnidh. Cha ghéill mi do dhuine. Fàg am bealach.)
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To: LongElegantLegs

Sec. 955.111. (A) Beginning ninety days after the effective date of this section, no person shall own, keep, or harbor a dog that belongs to a breed that is commonly known as a pit bull dog.

(B) Not later than ninety days after the effective date of this section, a person who owns, keeps, or harbors a pit bull dog on the effective date of this section shall surrender the dog to the dog warden. Not later than ten days after receiving the dog, the dog warden shall euthanize the dog.

(C)(1) Beginning ninety days after the effective date of this section, if an officer has probable cause to believe that a dog is a pit bull dog, the officer may apply to a court of competent jurisdiction for a search warrant. The court shall issue a search warrant for the purposes requested if there is probable cause to believe that a dog is a pit bull dog.

(2) After obtaining a search warrant, an officer shall seize the pit bull dog and surrender the dog to the dog warden. Not later than ten days after receiving the dog, the dog warden shall euthanize the dog.

http://www.legislature.state.oh.us/bills.cfm?ID=127_HB_568


12 posted on 11/22/2008 5:44:14 PM PST by Mojave (http://laissez-fairerepublic.com/)
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To: Joe 6-pack
Look at that front left leg and how relaxed yet muscular it is. That dog is doing preacher curls when you're at work. And those white paws are awesome.
good looking dog.
13 posted on 11/22/2008 5:50:38 PM PST by SGCOS
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To: LongElegantLegs

1. This act shall be known, and may be cited, as the “Responsible Pit Bull Ownership Licensing Act.”

2. As used in this act:
“Animal control officer” means a certified municipal animal control officer or, in the absence of such an officer, the chief law enforcement officer of the municipality or that officer’s designee; and
“Pit bull” means any dog of the breed American Pit Bull Terrier, American Staffordshire Terrier, Staffordshire Bull Terrier, or Staffordshire Terrier, or any dog determined to be a pit bull type dog pursuant to subsection c. of section 3 of this act.

3. a. A municipality may, by ordinance, require any person residing within the municipality who owns, keeps or harbors a pit bull in the municipality to obtain an annual license to own, keep or harbor such a dog. No such license shall be issued to any person under the age of 18 years. This license, and any requirements or conditions attached thereto, shall be in addition to any license or other authorization required pursuant to P.L.1941, c.151 (C.4:19-15.1 et seq.), P.L.1989, c.307 (C.4:19-17 et seq.) or any other law.
b. A municipality adopting an ordinance pursuant to subsection a. of this section may require the license applicant to provide:
(1) information about the breed, sex, age, color and markings of the dog and whether it is of a long- or short-haired variety;
(2) information about any licenses issued for the dog pursuant to P.L.1941, c.151 (C.4:19-15.1 et seq.), P.L.1989, c.307 (C.4:19-17 et seq.) or any other law;
(3) the name, street and post-office addresses, and telephone number of the license applicant;
(4) the license applicant’s record, if any, of criminal convictions or of convictions or other adjudications for animal cruelty; and
(5) any other information the municipality deems appropriate to protect the public health, safety, and welfare.
c. (1) A municipality adopting an ordinance pursuant to subsection a. of this section may require any person residing within the municipality who owns, keeps or harbors any kind of dog to provide proof that the dog is not a pit bull. If breed records are not available or the dog is a mongrel, hybrid, or mixed breed, the municipality may by visual inspection and use of detailed professional standards and illustrations decide if the dog is a pit bull type dog. In lieu of visual inspection, the municipality may require submission of a photo or photos of the dog for the purposes of this paragraph.

http://www.njleg.state.nj.us/2006/Bills/S1000/801_I1.HTM


14 posted on 11/22/2008 5:50:59 PM PST by Mojave (http://laissez-fairerepublic.com/)
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To: Chet 99

“Wake up people”. You’ve got to take care of your dogs, you cannot let dogs run loose, train them.

If you appreciate your pet, socialise your pet, I mean let your pet know his or her limits. I love all animals from a tame rat, all the way to the dolhin.

If you got a pit, a Rot, or a bullish type, best to let them know you’re safe around a Rat type Terrier, or a kitty. The consequence for non compliance is devestating. I’ve never even heard of a German Shepard or other lesser agressives, being put down for that sort of stuff.

If You have an agressive (by nature) animal, then you must train it. Any dog, when properly trained obeys its master.

Best dog IMHO, a Lab, most intelligent and loyal. plenty of others fit this bill, but a lab or half lab, is the best.
Best kitty, anything that rids yer place of vermin.

Ok, so what, I like kittys. BTW my kitty loves me, LOL...


15 posted on 11/22/2008 5:55:38 PM PST by ChetNavVet (Build It, and they won't come!)
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To: baa39

That’s a pretty harsh thing. Something you would expect a leftist to say. All the talk on this forum of how the dems and the media are biased gets tossed when it comes to pit bulls.I also own dogs , a chihuahua and a great dane, and have owned a pit bull, great dog! I have friends that own pitbulls but I’m not sure if they’re the kind of people who raise them right.


16 posted on 11/22/2008 5:55:58 PM PST by kickonly88
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To: SGCOS
" ... Kill 'em all, let Lassie sort them out...

Or a German Shepherd. My 2nd choices would be Berner or Sheltie.

17 posted on 11/22/2008 5:59:17 PM PST by LiberConservative (Typical white guy)
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To: DieHard the Hunter

What a crock! There are plenty of breeds that bite and are aggressive but they don’t make the news.We don’t like pit bulls so PLEASE ,Mr. Government, please protect us from them and make them illegal.


18 posted on 11/22/2008 6:05:09 PM PST by kickonly88
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To: baa39
All this stuff about “if you raise them right they’re not violent” may be true, or may not, but it seems people who choose pit bulls as pets are the very same types not inclined to raise them right or keep them restrained.

Well said.

19 posted on 11/22/2008 6:08:23 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: DieHard the Hunter

Yes, just what the government needs,free reign to come into your house and decide whether or not your boxer, weimeraner, or catahoula looks enough like a pit to be carted off and destroyed.
Peta will be grateful for your help in eliminating animal ownership.


20 posted on 11/22/2008 6:10:46 PM PST by LongElegantLegs (Deplore the profligate scattering of corpses!)
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To: Mojave
“Pit bull” means any dog of the breed American Pit Bull Terrier, American Staffordshire Terrier, Staffordshire Bull Terrier, or Staffordshire Terrier, or any dog determined to be a pit bull type dog pursuant to subsection c. of section 3 of this act.

Can you give me a written description of any of these breeds that is specific enough to exclude dogs like english or american bulldogs, black mouth curs, mastiffs and others? Banning dogs that display vicious behavior is one thing; describing a dog that can be from 20-100 pounds, with drop or prick ears, docked or natural tails, with no defining markings, all without misidentifying hundreds of non-bully dogs,is impossible.

21 posted on 11/22/2008 6:15:31 PM PST by LongElegantLegs (Deplore the profligate scattering of corpses!)
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To: kickonly88

> There are plenty of breeds that bite and are aggressive but they don’t make the news.

And none do it with anywhere near the frequency or savagery of the mungrel-mutt “breed” known loosely as Pit Bulls.

> We don’t like pit bulls so PLEASE ,Mr. Government, please protect us from them and make them illegal.

It’s not necessary for the Gummint to make them illegal: all they need to do is declare them Contraband and announce a bounty. Well-armed law-abiding citizens can do the rest, at little cost to the taxpayer and no inconvenience to the erstwhile owners of the Pit Bull mungrel mutts.

There. Problem solved.


22 posted on 11/22/2008 6:21:44 PM PST by DieHard the Hunter (Is mise an ceann-cinnidh. Cha ghéill mi do dhuine. Fàg am bealach.)
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To: LongElegantLegs
I have two pit bulls and they are both entirely different in appearance. One would be banned according to her appearance and the other would not according to his, yet they are both American Pit Bull Terriers.

I will say again, banning a breed does NOT eliminate the human irresponsibility that always accompanies such attacks. Today it is the pit bull. Tomorrow it may be your favorite breed.

23 posted on 11/22/2008 6:22:28 PM PST by PleaseNoMore
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To: Chet 99
Pit bull attacks are crimes. And it is big enough news, that quite a few articles about it are appearing in publications around the country every day.


24 posted on 11/22/2008 6:26:06 PM PST by familyop (cbt. engr. (cbt), NG, '89-'96, Duncan Hunter or no-vote, http://falconparty.com/)
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To: PleaseNoMore
Tomorrow it may be your favorite breed.

Worth repeating!

25 posted on 11/22/2008 6:27:01 PM PST by LongElegantLegs (Deplore the profligate scattering of corpses!)
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To: Chet 99
Pit Bull medicine = 12 ga. Damn all this knife nonsense.

I keep one loaded under the bed. It is the remote control for any problem that might wake me up.

26 posted on 11/22/2008 6:27:05 PM PST by MrPiper
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To: LongElegantLegs

> Yes, just what the government needs,free reign to come into your house and decide whether or not your boxer, weimeraner, or catahoula looks enough like a pit to be carted off and destroyed.

They don’t need to come into your home, in fact the Gummint doesn’t need to be involved very much at all. All they need to do is declare Pit Bulls to be Contraband, and announce a Bounty. Your neighbors will do the rest.

The fear of lawsuits will keep your neighbors from getting it too wrong: for example, the weimaraner (the purple-silver-looking sorta-skinny Labrador-looking dog) and the boxer (looks like it chases parked cars) or even more tragically the German Shepherd (nothing looks as good as a German Shepherd). Your neighbors all know what a Pit Bull looks and behaves like, so they will be careful to get it right.

And if they occasionally get it wrong, sorry no bounty plus the owner sues them for the illegal killing of his pet Shar Pei.

A beautifully-simple system that is self-maintaining and self-policing.


27 posted on 11/22/2008 6:30:12 PM PST by DieHard the Hunter (Is mise an ceann-cinnidh. Cha ghéill mi do dhuine. Fàg am bealach.)
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To: DieHard the Hunter; 1COUNTER-MORTER-68
DieHard the Hunter wrote:
"It’s not necessary for the Gummint to make them illegal: all they need to do is declare them Contraband and announce a bounty. Well-armed law-abiding citizens can do the rest, at little cost to the taxpayer and no inconvenience to the erstwhile owners of the Pit Bull mungrel mutts."

That's the best advice that I've seen on the matter so far. Let's get it done. Collect enough and offer enough money for each whole, dead pit bull brought in, and don't ask as to where it came from.


28 posted on 11/22/2008 6:33:12 PM PST by familyop (cbt. engr. (cbt), NG, '89-'96, Duncan Hunter or no-vote, http://falconparty.com/)
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To: DieHard the Hunter; 1COUNTER-MORTER-68

Come to think of it, the head alone would be enough to identify it as a pit-bull-like dog.


29 posted on 11/22/2008 6:36:08 PM PST by familyop (cbt. engr. (cbt), NG, '89-'96, Duncan Hunter or no-vote, http://falconparty.com/)
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To: DieHard the Hunter

It’s so cute that you think the government will trust the judgement of it’s citizens to defend themselves. :-)

No, it’ll be handled by the city, with lots of help from the Humane Society and the experts at PETA, just like every other pet related ordinance we allow.


30 posted on 11/22/2008 6:36:56 PM PST by LongElegantLegs (Deplore the profligate scattering of corpses!)
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To: DieHard the Hunter

“And none do it with anywhere near the frequency or savagery of the mungrel-mutt “breed” known loosely as Pit Bulls.”

I’ll give the savagery but the frequency is B.S.What is a mungrel? Can the erstwhile owners of the mongrel mutt Pit Bulls protect their property from the well armed”law abiding”citizens?


31 posted on 11/22/2008 6:38:27 PM PST by kickonly88
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To: familyop
Really? Both these dogs are full grown pit bull mixes.

Not that you'd know just from looking at them.

32 posted on 11/22/2008 6:41:18 PM PST by LongElegantLegs (Deplore the profligate scattering of corpses!)
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To: familyop
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33 posted on 11/22/2008 6:43:33 PM PST by 1COUNTER-MORTER-68 (THROWING ANOTHER BULLET-RIDDLED TV IN THE PILE OUT BACK~~~~~)
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To: LongElegantLegs

Pit bull mixes are close enough in appearance for a pay day. It’s all in the eyes of the contributors.


34 posted on 11/22/2008 6:44:18 PM PST by familyop (cbt. engr. (cbt), NG, '89-'96, Duncan Hunter or no-vote, http://falconparty.com/)
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To: familyop

Is this the Du or some other left wing site? We don’t like something so we’ll just take it away from you. It’s for your own or the good of the community at large.What would you like to get rid of next?
I do agree the woman would have been better off to shoot the dog.


35 posted on 11/22/2008 6:47:31 PM PST by kickonly88
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To: kickonly88
"Can the erstwhile owners of the mongrel mutt Pit Bulls protect their property from the well armed”law abiding”citizens?"

That's a good question, although I wouldn't be too sure that the bounty hunters will be any more upright or adorable than the bounty hunters praised on television and by local law enforcement. ;-)


36 posted on 11/22/2008 6:48:28 PM PST by familyop (cbt. engr. (cbt), NG, '89-'96, Duncan Hunter or no-vote, http://falconparty.com/)
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To: ChetNavVet

My dog got attacked by a loose chocolate lab once. Another time it chased me and my dog into another yard where I got lucky and found a stick and got it away from us. Called animal control on it both times and it is still loose. There is another chocolate lab that lives near by and it came out of it yard menacing like the other dog did towards us and it scared my dog to death. I have also been charged by a few other non-pit dogs while out on walks. There is another house that I walk by when I am on my walks and there is two crazy retrievers. They go nuts every time I pass. My guess is none of these dogs are trained, get proper exercise or are properly socialized. But at least they are not loose and a danger to me and other people.

Now on the other hand my dog has been to the dog park no telling how many times. He has never been attacked by a pitt or pitt mix there. Most dogs that go there are trained and properly socialized, like they should be.


37 posted on 11/22/2008 6:48:35 PM PST by pepperhead (Kennedy's float, Mary Jo's don't!)
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To: Chet 99

Are they saying the Pitt Bull had rabies? If they have the dog they would know if it did and that should be the only reason to give her rabies shots.


38 posted on 11/22/2008 6:49:13 PM PST by Arizona Carolyn
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To: familyop

I’m not sure if you realize how irrational you sound, maybe you could read over your last few posts.


39 posted on 11/22/2008 6:49:51 PM PST by LongElegantLegs (Deplore the profligate scattering of corpses!)
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To: PleaseNoMore

I’m glad you have been kind enough to have the dogs commonly known as “pit bulls.” Having had one, I can attest to the fact that they can be sweet, loving dogs whose behavior is exemplary.

The fact is, according to the American Kennel Association, there is no such breed as “pit bull.” That was a name hung on these poor animals by a group of people who tortured them to make them behave in a manner that actually goes against their nature. That group maligned the animal (feeding it gun powder, continually beating it, starving it, etc.) and made it cruel. And, in fact, it is the members of that group that should be punished, not the terriers.

Before that group singled out “pit bulls” for mistreatment, that particular breed of terrier was known for its gentle nature — hence, the Lil Rascal’s dog was one, Buster Brown’s dog was one, the RCA Victor dog was one, and the Navy’s mascot was one.

Read up on the breed in Cesar Millan’s books. He loves them dearly and considers them one of the best dogs to own as pets.


40 posted on 11/22/2008 6:49:59 PM PST by hampdenkid
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To: LongElegantLegs

> It’s so cute that you think the government will trust the judgement of it’s citizens to defend themselves. :-)

Here in New Zealand our gummint “trusts” us to do plenty of varmint control by ourselves. With real guns and no bounty. The gummint does not get involved.

Two pests in particular get this treatment: rabbits and Australian possums. They get shot/poisoned stone dead in vast quantities, and the gummint does not even say “boo”. Because it is good for New Zealand.

Even PETA and the Humane Societies dare not say “boo”: and Australian possums are even cute little critters! But they are also unwanted bio-organisms and varmints with highly-desirable soft fur with amazing properties...

> No, it’ll be handled by the city, with lots of help from the Humane Society and the experts at PETA, just like every other pet related ordinance we allow.

Not if you do it right. Just do it the same way we do possums and rabbits and stoats and weasels and minks and rats in New Zealand: give the people free rein, and say “it’s good for Our Country”. We The People will do the rest.


41 posted on 11/22/2008 6:51:01 PM PST by DieHard the Hunter (Is mise an ceann-cinnidh. Cha ghéill mi do dhuine. Fàg am bealach.)
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To: Arizona Carolyn

The owner shot the dog and destroyed it’s brain, rendering it untestable. I’m guessing the dog hadn’t had it’s vaccinations (stupid!), so they’re just being cautious.


42 posted on 11/22/2008 6:52:12 PM PST by LongElegantLegs (Deplore the profligate scattering of corpses!)
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To: kickonly88

It will be the free market (bounties) and justice by free American citizens in action. On the other hand, “the Du or some other left wing site” would want to continue unnatural affections for animals preferred over people, preferences for government banning use of firearms to defend against dangerous animals, and the like.


43 posted on 11/22/2008 6:52:47 PM PST by familyop (cbt. engr. (cbt), NG, '89-'96, Duncan Hunter or no-vote, http://falconparty.com/)
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To: DieHard the Hunter
Here in New Zealand...

Well then, by all means, have fun shooting your neighbor's dogs. In America, the banning will be handled by those most competent of entities, city governments and the fat fingered idiots in Washington.

44 posted on 11/22/2008 6:55:44 PM PST by LongElegantLegs (Deplore the profligate scattering of corpses!)
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To: hampdenkid

I’ve personally owned the breed for years, and frankly, I won’t ever choose another breed to have as a family companion. I also work in PB rescue in conjunction with local LE and Animal Control. What man has done to this animal is abominable.


45 posted on 11/22/2008 6:56:17 PM PST by PleaseNoMore
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To: familyop
"On the other hand, “the Du or some other left wing site” would want to continue unnatural affections for animals preferred over people..."

To the contrary, it's PETA and a lot of others on the ultra-left who are pushing pitbull bans with the view of banning animal ownership all together...it's not much different than the gun grabbers who just want to go after the "assault rifles" (first)...because, "who really needs a weapon like that?"

But as long as it's "for the children," you're welcome to hop in bed with them...

46 posted on 11/22/2008 6:56:19 PM PST by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: LongElegantLegs

Ignore him. He’s a one man pit bull exterminating machine...according to him.


47 posted on 11/22/2008 6:57:34 PM PST by PleaseNoMore
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To: DieHard the Hunter

“So, the ban needs to encompass “dangerous mungrel mutts that look like, and behave like, pit bulls.” As descriptons go, that is more than adequate.”

That’s pretty much the kind of description used to outlaw “assault” rifles a few years ago. It worked then— it’ll work again.


48 posted on 11/22/2008 6:58:07 PM PST by oldfart (Obama nation = abomination. Think about it!)
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To: kickonly88

> What is a mungrel?

The canine equivalent of a “bastard”. A useless mutt of mixed breeding and no pedigree.

> Can the erstwhile owners of the mongrel mutt Pit Bulls protect their property from the well armed”law abiding”citizens?

Only in the same way that a drug dealer can protect his “property” from well-armed law-abiding citizens: that is to say, “illegally.”

That is why mungrel mutt Pit Bulls need to be declared Contraband: so that it is illegal to own or breed them, and even more illegal to resist their lawful destruction. Just like a marijuana crop.

The beauty of this method is its simplicity: it requires no new laws and no new powers for gummint. It only requires existing powers to be used intelligently.


49 posted on 11/22/2008 6:58:36 PM PST by DieHard the Hunter (Is mise an ceann-cinnidh. Cha ghéill mi do dhuine. Fàg am bealach.)
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To: LongElegantLegs

Sadly some people always get irrational here when it comes to pitt bulls.


50 posted on 11/22/2008 6:59:11 PM PST by pepperhead (Kennedy's float, Mary Jo's don't!)
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