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Oklahoma jumps Texas in new BCS rankings
espn.com ^ | 11/30/08

Posted on 11/30/2008 1:46:43 PM PST by TheBigB

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To: crusty old prospector
OK, but OU “only” beat OSU by 20 points. We (Tech) beat them by 36. Where are our style points?

OU beat them in Stillwater. TT beat them in Lubbock. Besides, OU beat the crap outa TT.

181 posted on 12/01/2008 6:11:44 AM PST by al_c (Avoid the consequences of erudite vernacular utilized irrespective of necessity)
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To: RabidBartender

Ok... I take back what I said about OU not be “deserving”... they have a hell of a team, especially on offense. They’ve played exceptionally well.
But... I still think the entire system is F’d up beyond repair. This scenario didn’t lead me to that conclusion... I’ve thought it for a long time. Ironically, it is a slight of AUBURN ( A team I have NO affection for) that has exposed the goofiness of both the old system and the new BCS system:

In 1983, Auburn got out-voted by a COMPLETELY UNDESERVING Miami team... who, beat ONE Top 20 team all year... in the Orange Bowl, because a coked-up Irving Fryar couldn’t catch.

And, the travesty a couple of years ago, when Auburn went undefeated in the SEC,(Something I never thought possible) and didn’t get an invite to the BCS title game... because, of... hmnn.. wasn’t it Oklahoma? Who went on to be slaughtered in the Title game??

It’s a pitiful system.

You keep harping about the 3-way tie. (And why not, it’s the ONLY argument OU has)... But, seriously... given the fact that Tech lost recently, and lost BADLY.... the choice for the BCS voters WAS, only a 2-team choice. And, in a 2-team choice... my vote will ALWAYS go to the result on the field.

IF this situation were reversed, I’d be smugly saying “you guys got screwed, but we’re going to the title game”... But, I would NEVER try to defend this system.

For the record though... I don’t believe the BCS title game will be good. I think, it will be a blow-out.


182 posted on 12/01/2008 6:13:40 AM PST by SomeCallMeTim ( When you find yourself going through Hell, keep going!)
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To: SomeCallMeTim

Don’t get me wrong - I’m with you that the system is broken. It needs to be changed and should never have gotten to this point.

The 3-way tie argument is for the Big XII South title, not the BCS. The argument I am seeing from some Texas fans is that Texas should represent the South because they beat Oklahoma, Texas Tech be damned.

If you’re arguing the BCS computer rankings - it doesn’t take into account for head-to-head, and it shouldn’t. Otherwise, imagine this scenario: Rice beats Texas this season (okay, imagine reeeeal hard) and goes on to have an undefeated season, while Texas wins the rest of their games (including over ranked Oklahoma, Tech, OSU, and Missouri). Who should be ranked higher in BCS? Rice beat Texas head-to-head. Texas has one loss, but played a tougher schedule - obviously, Texas should be.

If you’re looking for other arguments on why Oklahoma is ranked ahead of Texas in the BCS - OU beat a very good defensive ranked TCU team, as well as eventual Big East champ Cincinnati. Here’s my theory, if Arkansas was any good this year, and Texas beats them like they did, Texas is ahead of Oklahoma in the BCS.

Please don’t think I’m acting smug and saying “you guys got screwed, but we’re going to the title game”, I’m not. I just know the rules are in place and am amazed that some people can’t deal with it. If Texas would’ve ended up over Oklahoma yesterday, I would have thought “that sucked” and moved on, even though I think Oklahoma is the better team. I would have secretly pulled for Missouri to pull off the upset, but if they didn’t, I likely would have rooted for Texas against Florida, like I did when they beat the Spoiled Children a few years back.


183 posted on 12/01/2008 6:41:11 AM PST by RabidBartender
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To: SomeCallMeTim
I think they were out on the 30 or so, and they ran one run play up the middle. Probably ran that play a million times before to get a couple of yards most of the time. But this time, there was a gigantic hole...maybe OSU's defense was blown, but I don't think they really meant to score on that little up the middle play. I figured they were just running down the clock with one last running play and got lucky. What was the guy supposed to do, fall down because they left him this gaping hole to run through?

Now, if they'd had 6 seconds left and were on the 30 and were running the kicking team out on the field for a last second field goal -- that would be running up the score.

184 posted on 12/01/2008 6:42:25 AM PST by erkyl (The hottest places in hell are reserved for those who, in a period of moral crisis, stay neutral)
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To: TheBigB

So no top 10 for Georgia Tech.,.. Oh well, beating UGA makes up for just about anything.


185 posted on 12/01/2008 6:45:31 AM PST by gondramB (Preach the Gospel at all times, and when necessary, use words.)
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To: RabidBartender
Whining crybabies...




186 posted on 12/01/2008 8:02:22 AM PST by Texas2step (<><)
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To: RabidBartender

The Southeastern Conference tiebreaker says that in the event of a three-way tie, the team that is rated the highest will be the division champion unless the second-highest team is within five places in the BCS standings. Then it reverts to head-to-head competition.

This is what I predict the Big 12 rule will be next year.

I know what the rules are.. now. Didn’t know them two months ago. And, of course we’ll “deal with it”.. what choice do we have? But, I don’t have to like it. And, I HOPE it gets changed.

Texas and OU didn’t play the first game of the season. And, there is not such a vast difference in the level of competition that they each played. We DON’T NEED A COMPUTER in a case like this to decide the difference... we had a game... a great game... between the TWO teams that are in the decision to be placed in the BCS Title track.

The AP voters figured that out. I’m dissapointed that the USA Today poll didn’t... but, even if they had, I don’t think it would have mattered in the BCS.

I think the loss that Texas suffered at Tech was much less of a “bad mark” on the team that what OU had in Dallas. The ONLY difference is... it was longer ago. It was by more points, on a neutral field, and during a soft part of the schedule.

Don’t get me wrong... I won’t be cheering for Bama, and certainly not for Florida... but, I don’t think OU will beat either one of them. For the record, I’m not sure Texas would either... But, I think we’d give them a better game.


187 posted on 12/01/2008 8:51:34 AM PST by SomeCallMeTim ( When you find yourself going through Hell, keep going!)
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To: Texas2step

Oh, what a heartbreaker! Coulda stopped 'em right there if TX had not tried for the pick but instead kept the receiver in bounds. Time would've run out on TT at that point. Bad move on the UT players part, good move on TT receiver keeping the play going.

All in all, a hard fought game by both sides. Kudos to the Raiders for controlling the line of scrimmage. But ... what the heck happened to y'all in Norman?

188 posted on 12/01/2008 9:24:12 AM PST by al_c (Avoid the consequences of erudite vernacular utilized irrespective of necessity)
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To: al_c
But ... what the heck happened to y'all in Norman?

I don't know what happened. All I know is that it wasn't the same team that had been killing it for several weeks in a row, offensively and defensively.

We could blame it on being the 4th highly ranked team in a row, with the last one coming on the road in a tough place to play, but Texas is already using that excuse. :-)

I think the pressure got to them. Four straight weeks of national exposure which was way more than they've ever gotten before.

Everybody has an off game, but it's not usually against a highly rated opponent in their backyard. I believe that TT is every bit as good as OU and UT, but couldn't prove it on the field against OU. TT should have beaten UT by 20 or more and then Texas could't keep whining about how they got screwed.

Texas didn't get screwed, they got beat. Tech's the one that will get screwed. A top 7 team (arguably better than that), that will be relegated to the Cotton Bowl in a no-win situation against a team barely in the top 20. Win, and it's no big deal, you were supposed to. Lose, and you were overrated all season.
189 posted on 12/01/2008 2:44:34 PM PST by Texas2step (<><)
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To: ImJustAnotherOkie

I think he threw it backwards, it was a miracle... whatever.


190 posted on 12/01/2008 2:56:45 PM PST by Ted (http://sinema7.net - the 7 deadly sins as reflected in movies, TV, and music)
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