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Stone Age phrasebook developed by scientists studying oldest words
Telegraph ^ | 25 Feb 2009 | Alastair Jamieson

Posted on 02/26/2009 8:52:45 AM PST by BGHater

Some of the oldest words in use in have been identified by scientists studying the evolution of language.

English and Indo-European words including 'I', 'we', 'two' and 'thou' have changed so little in tends of thousands of years that ancient hunter-gatherers would have been able to understand them.

Researchers have also identified several words that could die out within 1,000 years because they are likely to evolve into different forms. They include "throw", "stick", "dirty", "guts" and "squeeze" which could all be out of use by the year 3000.

Mark Pagel, of the University of Reading, who is leading the research, said that it was becoming possible to create a rudimentary 'time traveller's phrasebook' of words that could be understood by Stone Age cavemen.

He told The Times: "If a time traveller wanted to go back in time to a specific date, we could probably draw up a little phrasebook of the modern words that are likely to have sounded similar back then. You wouldn't be able to discuss anything very complicated, but it might be enough to get you out of a tight spot."

Other early words include 'two', 'three' and 'five'.

Dr Pagel has tracked how words have changed by comparing languages from the Indo-European family, which includes most of the past and present languages of Europe, the Middle East and the Indian sub-continent.

He has been able to track the evolutionary history of Indo-European back using a computer and said that some of the oldest words were well over 10,000 years old even though the original Indo-European language is thought to date back no more than 9,000 years.

(Excerpt) Read more at telegraph.co.uk ...


TOPICS: History
KEYWORDS: epigraphyandlanguage; godsgravesglyphs; language; stoneage; words

1 posted on 02/26/2009 8:52:46 AM PST by BGHater
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To: SunkenCiv

Language.

Ugg. Ping.


2 posted on 02/26/2009 8:53:17 AM PST by BGHater (Tyranny is always better organised than freedom)
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To: BGHater

“Boobs”.


3 posted on 02/26/2009 8:53:30 AM PST by massgopguy (I owe everything to George Bailey)
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To: BGHater

Does the phrase “I’ll have the roast duck with mango salsa” appear in his phrase book? If not, it is completely useless.


4 posted on 02/26/2009 8:54:03 AM PST by VRWCmember
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To: BGHater

Mmmmmm Fur Bikini, Grog Like.


5 posted on 02/26/2009 8:55:01 AM PST by NavyCanDo
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To: BGHater
He told The Times: "If a time traveller wanted to go back in time to a specific date, we could probably draw up a little phrasebook of the modern words that are likely to have sounded similar back then. You wouldn't be able to discuss anything very complicated, but it might be enough to get you out of a tight spot."

Sensible people make plans for likely eventualities.

6 posted on 02/26/2009 8:55:12 AM PST by ClearCase_guy (American Revolution II -- overdue)
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To: BGHater

Clarity


7 posted on 02/26/2009 8:56:04 AM PST by Vaduz
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To: NavyCanDo

“Mmmmmm Fur Bikini, Grog Like”

Grog wears fur bikinis?


8 posted on 02/26/2009 8:56:48 AM PST by bobjam
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To: BGHater

read later


9 posted on 02/26/2009 8:57:03 AM PST by LiteKeeper (Beware of socialism in America; the Islamization of Eurabia)
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To: massgopguy

“AH-TA! AH-TA!”


10 posted on 02/26/2009 8:57:35 AM PST by HamiltonJay
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To: ClearCase_guy
I believe the quote is, "A gentleman must be prepared for any eventuality."


11 posted on 02/26/2009 8:59:40 AM PST by Jeff Chandler (PIE FIGHT!!!!!)
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To: BGHater

7 letters that Ugg said to Ghaa caused a bit of a tiff.


12 posted on 02/26/2009 9:02:33 AM PST by from occupied ga (Your most dangerous enemy is your own government,)
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To: BGHater

quite the cunning linguist


13 posted on 02/26/2009 9:02:46 AM PST by fortunate sun (Undermine Obama with every thought, word and deed.)
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To: bobjam

And I have two questions:

How much money did these bozos get to do the research, and how does it change my life?

(Or, to meet them on common ground — how many T-Rex ribs did they get for their work, and will it help me get a bigger cave?)


14 posted on 02/26/2009 9:02:50 AM PST by AnglePark
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To: HamiltonJay

NO TA TA FOR YOU!

15 posted on 02/26/2009 9:03:59 AM PST by WakeUpAndVote (INGSOC started 1.20.09)
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To: WakeUpAndVote

Shaving her legs with a flintstone sure was a pain in the @$$.


16 posted on 02/26/2009 9:05:23 AM PST by SolidWood (Palin: "In Alaska we eat therefore we hunt.")
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To: BGHater

We have a guess as to what was said 10,000 years ago.

Still no cure for cancer.


17 posted on 02/26/2009 9:05:29 AM PST by autumnraine (Freedom's just another word for nothing left to lose- Kris Kristoferrson VIVA LA REVOLUTION!)
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To: HamiltonJay

Probably be, “I hate you.”


18 posted on 02/26/2009 9:10:48 AM PST by Old Professer (The critic writes with rapier pen, dips it twice, then writes again.)
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To: BGHater
They include "throw", "stick", "dirty", "guts" and "squeeze" which could all be out of use by the year 3000.

Well, at least the guy is smarter than Al Gore - smart enough to make bogus predictions that cannot be proven false during his lifetime...

19 posted on 02/26/2009 9:15:04 AM PST by The Electrician ("Government is the only enterprise in the world which expands in size when its failures increase.")
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To: BGHater

A “ginormous” discovery?


20 posted on 02/26/2009 9:16:20 AM PST by EggsAckley
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To: Old Professer

No, its a reference to South Park, in one episode one of the girls gets her boobs, the boys become obsessed with her and fight over her, slowly devolving into neanderthals obsessed with her “AH-TA”.


21 posted on 02/26/2009 9:17:38 AM PST by HamiltonJay
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To: bobjam

“Grog wears fur bikinis?”

No, but there is Grog’s liberal neighbor two caves to the left, that there has been some gossip about around the water hole.


22 posted on 02/26/2009 9:20:54 AM PST by NavyCanDo
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To: BGHater

23 posted on 02/26/2009 9:23:56 AM PST by Diogenesis (Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?)
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To: BGHater
The interesting thing I read about this was that by tracing common words among Indo European languages (most languages from India to Ireland) one can deduce a bit about the Indo European culture and practices.

Words in common between almost all Indo European languages?

Wheel. Axel. Horse. Ewe. (and many others)

So they most likely used chariots or wagons with wheels and axles, drawn by horses, and they probably herded sheep.

Some propose that it was the domestication of the horse that enabled them to “spread” their language from India to Ireland; but there is little doubt that they were a highly successful culture/civilization that gave rise to the most successful cultures that still use a modified version of their language.

24 posted on 02/26/2009 9:32:32 AM PST by allmendream ("Wealth is EARNED not distributed, so how could it be redistributed?")
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To: autumnraine

“We have a guess as to what was said 10,000 years ago.”

Or perhaps, “Me and the boys are heading over to Stonehenge to do the . . . uh . . . ‘more rain’ ceremony Saturday night. We’ll need more beer, it’s . . . uh . . . part of the . . . uh . . . ceremony.”


25 posted on 02/26/2009 9:36:39 AM PST by ModelBreaker
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To: BGHater
Dr Pagel has tracked how words have changed by comparing languages from the Indo-European family, which includes most of the past and present languages of Europe, the Middle East and the Indian sub-continent.

Middle East would be wrong. It's Persia.

26 posted on 02/26/2009 9:39:06 AM PST by MyTwoCopperCoins (I don't have a license to kill; I have a learner's permit.)
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To: BGHater
Other early words include 'two', 'three' and 'five'.

What happened to 'four'? Are you telling me there was no cave-man golf?

27 posted on 02/26/2009 9:41:16 AM PST by 6SJ7 (Atlas Shrugged Mode: ON)
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To: autumnraine
We have a guess as to what was said 10,000 years ago.

Still no cure for cancer.

Or male pattern baldness.;-)

28 posted on 02/26/2009 9:59:53 AM PST by SonOfDarkSkies
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To: HamiltonJay

I found it too difficult to get enthused over characters who seemed to be fascinated with full commodes...


29 posted on 02/26/2009 10:09:49 AM PST by Old Professer (The critic writes with rapier pen, dips it twice, then writes again.)
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To: MyTwoCopperCoins
Actually it would include the Middle East historically. The Anatolian branch of Indo-European including Hittites. The Mitanni empire was ruled by an “aristocracy” that spoke a language that heavily borrowed Indo-European words and in fact their deities names are identical to the Persian / Indian Vedic deities. Armenia is usually included in the Middle East and it's language is Indo-European. There are other examples (Philistine's probably spoke a Greek dialect before they were assimilated linguistically to the Semites around them).
30 posted on 02/26/2009 10:12:28 AM PST by fatez ("If you're going through Hell, keep going." Winston Churchill)
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To: BGHater

Interesting topic, but this is utter utter nonsense:

“Researchers have also identified several words that could die out within 1,000 years because they are likely to evolve into different forms. They include “throw”, “stick”, “dirty”, “guts” and “squeeze” which could all be out of use by the year 3000.”

What a joke! The word “throw” will go out of use? “Stick”? and so on. This is mind-bogglingly stupid.


31 posted on 02/26/2009 10:31:17 AM PST by WL-law
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To: 6SJ7
Or male pattern baldness...

Not a disease.

One theory, advanced by Muscarella and Cunningham, suggests baldness evolved in males through sexual selection as an enhanced signal of aging and social maturity, whereby aggression and risk-taking decrease and nurturing behaviours increase. This may have conveyed a male with enhanced social status but reduced physical threat, which could enhance ability to secure reproductive partners and raise offspring to adulthood.

In the study by Muscarella and Cunnhingham, males and females viewed 6 male models with different levels of facial hair (beard and mustache or none) and cranial hair (full head of hair, receding and bald). Participants rated each combination on 32 adjectives related to social perceptions. Males with facial hair and those with bald or receding hair were rated as being older than those who were clean-shaven or had a full head of hair. Beards and a full head of hair were seen as being more aggressive and less socially mature, and baldness was associated with more social maturity. A review of social perceptions of male pattern baldness has been provided by Henss (2001).

Muscarella, F. & Cunningham, M.R. (1996). "The evolutionary significance and social perception of male pattern baldness and facial hair." Ethology and Sociobiology 17 (2): 99–117.

Henss, R. (2001). "Social perceptions of male pattern baldness. A review". Dermatology and Psychosomatics 2 (1): 63–71.

32 posted on 02/26/2009 11:08:12 AM PST by MyTwoCopperCoins (I don't have a license to kill; I have a learner's permit.)
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To: AnglePark

Another question: How hard was it to figure out that “I” and “we” are words that have been around a really long time? You know what, I bet “water” and “mother” have been around a long time too. Perhaps “tree” and “fire” as well. Maybe these schoalrs will be able to tell us that “nuclear” and “router” and “airplane” are relatively new.


33 posted on 02/26/2009 11:31:11 AM PST by bobjam
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To: bobjam

Scientists is so stoopid. For some odd reason, it made me think back to this story:

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2007/11/071108-fossil-foodchain.html

Wow. Now they have ancient proof that there’s always a bigger fish...


34 posted on 02/26/2009 12:49:23 PM PST by AnglePark
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To: ClearCase_guy

Yup. If you could go back in time, you probably wouldn’t have to worry too much about problems from the locals. A bullet proof vest, hovercraft, some loaded weapons, and you’d be just fine. Of course, if you did encounter trouble, you would probably change the course of history, and come back to a world filled with dinosaurs.


35 posted on 02/26/2009 2:29:03 PM PST by Defiant (If they put Bush in prison, it will let us know which one to storm.)
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To: fatez
Kurdish is also an Indo-European language (of the same branch as Persian).

The Hittite word for "water" was watar. Their word for "knee" was genu, the same as the Latin word. But the majority of the vocabulary is said to be of non-Indo-European origin. Some of the inflections resemble those in Greek and Latin rather closely.

36 posted on 02/26/2009 4:16:18 PM PST by Verginius Rufus
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To: Verginius Rufus
Yep on the Kurdish. My understanding is that the Anatolian branch split off before any other. I read a real good book on it recently called “The Horse, the Wheel and Language: How Bronze-Age Riders from the Eurasian Steppes Shaped the Modern World “ by David W. Anthony. It was very good (I have read quite a few books on this subject) and found this one to be the best one so far.
37 posted on 02/26/2009 4:32:27 PM PST by fatez ("If you're going through Hell, keep going." Winston Churchill)
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38 posted on 02/26/2009 8:54:48 PM PST by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/____________________ Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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To: BGHater

Thanks for posting that. I found it interesting.


39 posted on 02/26/2009 9:00:12 PM PST by mysterio
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To: BGHater
Other early words include 'two', 'three' and 'five'.>/i>
What happened to 'Four'?

40 posted on 02/27/2009 5:37:48 AM PST by SouthWall (Obama. The Jimmt Carter of the bew century. 2/27/09)
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