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What Could Happen: The Collapse of Big Cities, Big Governments and Subsidies
Whiskey & Gunpowder | 2-27-09 | John Stott

Posted on 03/02/2009 3:17:56 PM PST by Jerrybob

I am not trying to be an alarmist, but I am worried about a lot of things. I just have to imagine what the chain reaction of the current downhill slide of the world’s economies can bring. Here’s what I imagine can happen in years to come:

Pensions will go bankrupt or be a shadow of what they were before, causing millions of retirees to be broke and maybe even hungry, with no recourse. Stocks and gold will probably cross at about 3,000. Robberies of banks and citizens will increase many fold, and make the streets of big cities dangerous. The danger will cause movie theatres, night clubs and restaurants to do poor business because of citizen fears of venturing out at night. Cars not in garages or in some way protected, will be subject to theft, break ins or stolen tires and parts, especially in big cities.

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The big cities, with their large numbers of out of work minorities, will become extremely dangerous places to live, and there will be an exodus to safer, small towns, by those who are able, even if it means selling a big city home at a sacrifice price, just to be safe. The infrastructure and utility providers in big cities may become insolvent or fraught with vandalism. Out of work minorities won’t be able to pay utility bills. Without electricity, gas, or water, even for a short time, life can be extremely difficult, and especially in a high-rise building or multi-storey apartment.


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Would like some opinions on this.
1 posted on 03/02/2009 3:17:56 PM PST by Jerrybob
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To: Jerrybob

Sounds like Mexico.


2 posted on 03/02/2009 3:19:03 PM PST by Dallas59 ("You know the one with the big ears? He might be yours, but he ain't my president.")
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To: Jerrybob

I think you are only scratching the surface.


3 posted on 03/02/2009 3:21:30 PM PST by Retired Greyhound
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To: Jerrybob

Oh well.The big city dwellers got the gubmint they deserve.


4 posted on 03/02/2009 3:21:45 PM PST by HANG THE EXPENSE (Life is tough.It's even tougher when you're stupid.)
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To: Jerrybob

Sounds like reality to me. I read a CIA forecast about the year 2015 few years ago before all this started. It was worse then this outlook.


5 posted on 03/02/2009 3:22:01 PM PST by lookout88 (.combat officer's dad,)
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To: Jerrybob

Sounds like reality to me. I read a CIA forecast about the year 2015 few years ago before all this started. It was worse then this outlook.


6 posted on 03/02/2009 3:22:20 PM PST by lookout88 (.combat officer's dad,)
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To: Jerrybob

It’s my understanding that historically, crime has gone down during recessions.


7 posted on 03/02/2009 3:24:49 PM PST by Parmenio
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To: lookout88

The time to prep is now, guns, ammo and food. Decide now if you are and ‘ant’ or a ‘grasshopper’.


8 posted on 03/02/2009 3:25:37 PM PST by Kartographer
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To: Jerrybob

We’ve seen many times before what happens hardship happens in USA.

A flood hits heart-land USA, people come and help each other.

A tornado blows away a small town, and they rebuild it by themselves in a year.

The pioneer spirit is still strong with many in this great country.

Unfortunately, we’ve also seen what happens in places like New Orleans where people will starve to death wondering when government help will arrive.


9 posted on 03/02/2009 3:26:05 PM PST by MNDude
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To: Parmenio

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=crime+rates+during+recession&aq=0&oq=crime+rates+during+re

A lot of reading here.


10 posted on 03/02/2009 3:27:06 PM PST by Jet Jaguar (Atlas Shrugged Mode: ON)
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To: Kartographer

Ant here, you are right. So am I. Anyone got good freeze drying information?


11 posted on 03/02/2009 3:27:32 PM PST by lookout88 (.combat officer's dad,)
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To: Dallas59

Sounds like Houston. I live in the “safe for now” suburbs but have to go into the city several times a week, in the past at night because traffic was lighter. Was sitting at a stop light on the feeder in what is considered a relatively good part of town and many, many bikers with the number 13 on their back roared right through the red light - I quit counting at 34 - as fast and with as much noise as they could muster. No more night trips for Grams.


12 posted on 03/02/2009 3:27:53 PM PST by Grams A (The Sun will rise in the East in the morning and God is still on his throne.)
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To: Jerrybob
Without electricity, gas, or water, even for a short time, life can be extremely difficult, and especially in a high-rise building or multi-storey apartment.

And then it spreads, out like a cancer to the suburbs, and the war is on.

13 posted on 03/02/2009 3:28:00 PM PST by Doomonyou (Let them eat lead.)
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To: Parmenio
It’s my understanding that historically, crime has gone down during recessions.

Tell that to Dillenger, Machine Gun Kelly, Ma Barker, Al Capone, Pretty Boy Floyd, Bonnie and Clyde, etc., etc., etc.

14 posted on 03/02/2009 3:28:02 PM PST by ProudFossil
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To: Jerrybob

Several prognosticators I’ve read recently (can’t remember names) think there will be a need for folks to re-form into smaller towns and groups for protection purposes. Know your neighbor, trust your neighbor, neighbor relies on neighbor to keep secure from outside influences. Sounds like a step back into clan/tribalism almost.


15 posted on 03/02/2009 3:28:03 PM PST by OB1kNOb (Economists predicting a quick recovery are like the band that continued playing on the Titanic.)
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To: Jerrybob

This is all swell, but it ignores Obama’s greatest strength - and I am dead serious here: An ignorant voting public.

This is why Obama won, in the long run. The rest depended on this key factor:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NyvqhdllXgU


16 posted on 03/02/2009 3:28:53 PM PST by RobRoy
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To: Jerrybob

Life in 0bamastan.


17 posted on 03/02/2009 3:29:52 PM PST by reg45 (Be calm everyone. The idiot child is in charge!)
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To: MNDude
We've seen many times before what happens hardship happens in USA.

A flood hits heart-land USA, people come and help each other.

A tornado blows away a small town, and they rebuild it by themselves in a year.

The pioneer spirit is still strong with many in this great country.

Unfortunately, we've also seen what happens in places like New Orleans where people will starve to death wondering when government help will arrive.

And you have just reiterated what the thread topic says. Big cities are hell, small towns and rural areas are strong in a catastrophe.

18 posted on 03/02/2009 3:30:56 PM PST by ProudFossil
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To: lookout88

Dry goods, canned goods, but minimilize the frozen food in case electricity goes down for long periods, and can’t get gas for a generator. Think primitive.


19 posted on 03/02/2009 3:31:20 PM PST by Kackikat
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To: Jerrybob

bump


20 posted on 03/02/2009 3:33:47 PM PST by Centurion2000 (01-20-2009 : The end of the PAX AMERICANA.)
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To: Kackikat

FR should start a survival section. Primitive is correct.


21 posted on 03/02/2009 3:34:29 PM PST by lookout88 (.combat officer's dad,)
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To: Dallas59

I have to say I hesitate to go for coffee at 5 in the morning. Even with a big pickup with tinted windows. I hear gunshots every other Saturday night on 75.


22 posted on 03/02/2009 3:36:27 PM PST by Dallas59 ("You know the one with the big ears? He might be yours, but he ain't my president.")
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To: ProudFossil

As Willie Sutton the bank robber said when asked why he robbed banks, ‘because that’s where the money is’, but in this case I think even the banks won’t have money! Maybe the robbers will except IOU’s? Or maybe ‘Zero’ will sponsor a ‘bail-out’ bill for bank robbers!


23 posted on 03/02/2009 3:39:49 PM PST by Kartographer
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To: Jerrybob

Half of what you described is already the case.

Let’s see...the urban gutters already have:
- government interference/taxes/fees/restrictions reaching into every facet of life
- constant vandalism
- deadbeat dependents living on government checks
- extremely high violent crime rates
- high-rise apartment ghettos serving as headquarters for drug dealing thugs


24 posted on 03/02/2009 3:40:18 PM PST by BobbyT
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To: lookout88

Maybe someone knowledgeable about this could start it, as there is a lot of info needed to be a survivor in this type of environment that’s coming. The barter system will need to be in place as well....this is complete overhaul of the US...and going to another country is not feasible, as this will be a global takeover.


25 posted on 03/02/2009 3:42:18 PM PST by Kackikat
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To: BobbyT
- high-rise apartment ghettos serving as headquarters for drug dealing thugs

Your tax dollars are building those. It's called 'smart growth' and it's funded by the Department of Transportation, among other federal agencies.

It really is the model for modern serfdom, made possible by the Bush Clinton Bush administrations.
26 posted on 03/02/2009 3:44:20 PM PST by hedgetrimmer
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To: Jerrybob

This is the positive scenario for how things might go.

Another scenario, equally as plausible, is the Mad Max scenario.

Food & firearms are essentials in the years to come.


27 posted on 03/02/2009 3:46:06 PM PST by LowTaxesEqualProsperity
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To: ProudFossil

But overall, the crime rate went down during the Depression. That’s my point.


28 posted on 03/02/2009 3:46:13 PM PST by Parmenio
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To: Jerrybob

sounds like some parts of Dallas already


29 posted on 03/02/2009 3:46:26 PM PST by GeronL (Will bankrupting America lead to socialism?)
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To: Jerrybob
what could happen??

Donner Party

30 posted on 03/02/2009 3:46:58 PM PST by GeronL (Will bankrupting America lead to socialism?)
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To: Doomonyou

1-Remember this, when it comes to water...my botany professor was a hiker and always carried IODINE, which only a drop or two per gallon will purify water enough to drink.

2- You can take a bucket of rain or river water and pour fast into a toilet and it will give enough pressure to flush it.

3- Be sure to stock up on candles, “lamp oil”, and purchase a couple oil lamps or camping lamps. Batteries may not be available later on.

Dried foods like oatmeal, rice, beans are good to have, and put a few bay leaves in any open bags or containers to keep out bugs.


31 posted on 03/02/2009 3:47:16 PM PST by Kackikat
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To: Parmenio

America was a largely civilized nation during the Great Depression.

Put on TV today and tell me what you see.


32 posted on 03/02/2009 3:48:17 PM PST by LowTaxesEqualProsperity
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To: Kartographer

Food prep:

Honeyville Grains
MREdepot.com
Mountain House
Walton Feed

Just to mention a few.


33 posted on 03/02/2009 3:49:27 PM PST by diamond6 (Is SIDS preventable? www.Stopsidsnow.com)
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To: Kackikat

There already is one..sort of. Mostly about gardening and
living on less. I can’t remember the name of the thread.


34 posted on 03/02/2009 3:50:20 PM PST by jusduat (wondering,questioning,searching)
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To: Kackikat; Doomonyou

Error on the amt of Iodine, do internet ressearch, but I think it’s 5-6 drops pr 32 oz...but check it out.


35 posted on 03/02/2009 3:52:45 PM PST by Kackikat
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To: Jerrybob

Google Gerard Celente. Patrick Madrid had last week on his website a couple videos of his interviews. Very chilling.


36 posted on 03/02/2009 3:52:47 PM PST by diamond6 (Is SIDS preventable? www.Stopsidsnow.com)
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To: Kackikat

But I’ve already tried the first method you suggested and it worked fine. I feel gre...........................................


37 posted on 03/02/2009 3:53:48 PM PST by durasell
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To: Kackikat
Get plenty of water containers, like plastic drums, and keep them filled.

Have barrels you can put underneath your downspouts to collect rain water.

38 posted on 03/02/2009 3:54:39 PM PST by Max in Utah (A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within.)
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To: Jerrybob

Not to worry, a ‘false flag’ incident will trigger the next big war and get American industry back in gear.


39 posted on 03/02/2009 3:56:00 PM PST by Doug TX
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To: Kackikat
Dry goods, canned goods,...

And do not forget a manual can opener!

40 posted on 03/02/2009 3:56:38 PM PST by ProudFossil
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To: Doug TX

we should declare on the swiss...they’re about due.

We’ve come for your chocolate, clocks and knives!


41 posted on 03/02/2009 3:57:05 PM PST by durasell
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To: Jerrybob

Search this site..keyword barter for the thread.


42 posted on 03/02/2009 3:57:41 PM PST by jusduat (wondering,questioning,searching)
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To: lookout88; Kackikat
There are several of late. Type "survival" in the search bar.

Primitive survival... goes beyond eating canned goods out of the can. Just saying...

43 posted on 03/02/2009 3:58:05 PM PST by exhaustedmomma (All might be free if they valued freedom, and defended it as they should. Samuel Adams)
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To: Jerrybob

I actually anticipate regional associations of states with similar interests, needs and goals.The Feds will try confiscatory taxationto service their debt load...state legislatures will start to recommend residents no longer remit to DC as DC can no longer send funds back to the states


44 posted on 03/02/2009 3:58:47 PM PST by mo
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To: jusduat; Kackikat

Do a search for “survival” in the keywords...there’s a lot out there.

And...this biggy...

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/2181392/posts


45 posted on 03/02/2009 3:58:50 PM PST by Bradís Gramma ( PRAY! Pray for the U.S. Pray for Israel.)
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To: ProudFossil

ROFLMTO..absolutely, a couple of them in case it breaks...unless you have steel teeth..lol


46 posted on 03/02/2009 3:59:04 PM PST by Kackikat
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To: Jerrybob

The first shots will occur about 2010.


47 posted on 03/02/2009 3:59:10 PM PST by AEMILIUS PAULUS (It is a shame that when these people give a riot)
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To: Jerrybob

Fortunately there are many deer, turkeys, squirrels, and rabbits in the woods here in the country. Will not be pretty in the cities when the food can not get in. Time for some more wood in the wood stove.


48 posted on 03/02/2009 3:59:20 PM PST by richiep (Richie)
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To: Jerrybob; All

FWIW-here’s an account of Argetina after their financial crash 2001....all may not be roses rurally.....

http://www.powerswitch.org.uk/portal/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=2079&Itemid=2


49 posted on 03/02/2009 4:01:49 PM PST by mo
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To: AEMILIUS PAULUS

During summer.


50 posted on 03/02/2009 4:02:44 PM PST by AEMILIUS PAULUS (It is a shame that when these people give a riot)
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