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Watching The Truth Revealed
Old Virginia Blog ^ | 03/13/2009 | Richard Williams

Posted on 03/13/2009 6:02:11 PM PDT by Davy Buck

We often hear how Southerners promoted "Lost Cause mythology" after the war in defending their history (which all Nations involved in war do to one extent or another). But how often do we hear those same critics discuss "Holy Cause mythology" and how many Northerners embellished Lincoln's record and glorified his persona in defense of their history. . .

(Excerpt) Read more at oldvirginiablog.blogspot.com ...


TOPICS: Education; History; Military/Veterans; Society
KEYWORDS: confederacy; greatestpresident; lincoln; nationaltreasure; racistwackjobsonfr

1 posted on 03/13/2009 6:02:11 PM PDT by Davy Buck
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To: Davy Buck

Oh, Boy. Here we go... ;)


2 posted on 03/13/2009 6:06:54 PM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin (Save The Earth. It's The Only Planet With Chocolate.)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

Countdown 3,2,1, lol


3 posted on 03/13/2009 6:17:25 PM PDT by kalee (01/20/13 The end of an error.... Obama even worse than Carter.)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

Turns out the short piece didn’t say anything at all and since this is a hit and run poster he won’t be contributing to any discussions.


4 posted on 03/13/2009 6:26:21 PM PDT by ansel12 (Romney (guns)"instruments of destruction with the sole purpose of hunting down and killing people")
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To: Davy Buck
Talk about making a mountain out of a mole-hill! A watchmaker has the pocket watch of the new President and the obvious start of a Civil War. He uses his tools to scribe his feelings inside the watch and returns it to its owner. In later years he mis-remembers his exact words (Bill & Hillary?) so that they come jumbled down in family history.

For this, a Virginia Partisan makes it into a point of Northern unjustified adoration of Lincoln. The logic trail fails me. I sympathize that all the participants of that dread time were human and not gods but this was a very thin reed to criticize.

5 posted on 03/13/2009 6:27:21 PM PDT by SES1066 (Cycling to conserve, Conservative to save, Saving to Retire, will Retire to Cycle.)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

6 posted on 03/13/2009 6:27:50 PM PDT by mnehring
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To: ansel12

Hence, my initial comment. ;)


7 posted on 03/13/2009 6:28:59 PM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin (Save The Earth. It's The Only Planet With Chocolate.)
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To: ansel12
An outstanding book by a Christian professor answering Lincoln critics of the radical left and right:

Vindicating Lincoln: Defending the Politics of Our Greatest President by Thomas L. Krannawitter.


8 posted on 03/13/2009 6:41:10 PM PDT by iowamark (certified by Michael Steele as "ugly and incendiary")
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To: SES1066

To those familiar with the debate, the point will be obvious. Yes, the example is anecdotal, but it is but one example among hundreds that could be cited. Those who see Lincoln as our saviour, love to look down their noses at Southerners who find admirable character traits in men like Robert E. Lee and Stonewall Jackson, and accuse Southerners of embellishing and distorting the truth - all the while they do this very thing with Lincoln.

This watchmaker, at the time of his inscription, made no mention of slavery - it was all about “the government”. But, after the war and Lincoln’s assassination, he made the focus slavery. Just a bad memory. Right.


9 posted on 03/13/2009 6:41:49 PM PDT by Davy Buck
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To: SES1066

A “Virginia Partisan”? Thank you for the compliment. That’s the nicest thing I’ve been called all day.

“When I speak of my country, I mean the Commonwealth of Virginia.” ~ John Randolph


10 posted on 03/13/2009 6:45:51 PM PDT by Davy Buck
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To: Davy Buck
look down their noses at Southerners who find admirable character traits in men like Robert E. Lee and Stonewall Jackson

I've followed and sometimes participated in these WBTS threads for years.

I don't think I have ever seen any pro-Union participant claim that Lee and Jackson didn't have admirable character traits. Especially Lee, who just about everyone at the time and since has agreed was a great and noble man, notably including his opponents. Jackson, OTOH, while obviously a great though occasionally uneven general, was a very odd duck in a lot of ways.

In fact, I have not seen (around here, anyway) the motives and character of those who fought for the Confederacy defamed with anything like the enthusiasm showed by some in attacking the motives and character of those who fought for the Union.

11 posted on 03/13/2009 6:49:33 PM PDT by Sherman Logan (Everyone has a right to his own opinion, but not to his own facts.)
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To: Sherman Logan

“I don’t think I have ever seen any pro-Union participant claim that Lee and Jackson didn’t have admirable character traits. Especially Lee, who just about everyone at the time and since has agreed was a great and noble man, notably including his opponents.”

I’ve seen plenty. Most of the guilty like to describe these men as traitors. Granted, not all Northerners feel that way, but some of the threads and discussions I’ve participated in most definitely have that element.


12 posted on 03/13/2009 6:55:02 PM PDT by Davy Buck
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To: Davy Buck

Legally, Lee was a traitor. If a lifelong US Army officer leading troops against the US armies doesn’t meet the constitutional definition of treason, it’s difficult to see what would.

Morally, of course, he was trapped in a conflict of loyalties. When forced to choose, he placed his loyalty to his state above that to his nation. As with most of the Union soldiers of the time, I accept that he behaved honorably abd does not deserve the accusation of treason in the moral sense.

Other southerners, notably George Thomas, one of the best Union generals, chose to remain loyal to the nation. They were universally reviled as traitors by those who went with the South.


13 posted on 03/13/2009 7:06:54 PM PDT by Sherman Logan (Everyone has a right to his own opinion, but not to his own facts.)
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To: iowamark
An outstanding book by a Christian professor answering Lincoln critics of the radical left and right:

It looks good, I read the reviews at amazon and I will look for it at the library.

14 posted on 03/13/2009 7:08:29 PM PDT by ansel12 (Romney (guns)"instruments of destruction with the sole purpose of hunting down and killing people")
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