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Company looks to bring air-powered cars to US
Breitbart.com ^ | May 25 01:20 PM US/Eastern | DAN STRUMPF

Posted on 05/25/2009 2:52:04 PM PDT by The_Sword_of_Groo

NEW YORK (AP) - Most car companies are racing to bring electric vehicles to the market. But one startup is skipping the high-tech electronics, making cars whose energy source is pulled literally out of thin air.

Zero Pollution Motors is trying to bring a car to U.S. roads by early 2011 that's powered by a combination of compressed air and a small conventional engine.

ZPM Chief Executive Shiva Vencat said the ultimate goal is a price tag between $18,000 and $20,000, fuel economy equivalent to 100 miles per gallon and a tailpipe that emits nothing but air at low enough speeds.

Elsewhere in the world, the technology is already gaining speed. The French startup Motor Development International, which licensed the technology to ZPM, unveiled a new air-powered car at the Geneva Auto Show in March. Airlines KLM and Air France are starting to test the bubble-shaped AirPod this month for use as transportation around airports.

Engineering experts, however, are skeptical of the technology, saying it is clouded by the caveat that compressing air is notoriously energy intensive.

"Air compressors are one of the least efficient machines to convert electricity to work," said Harold Kung, professor of chemical and biological engineering at Northwestern University. "Why not use the electricity directly, as in electric cars? From an energy utilization point of view, the compressed (air) car does not make sense."

As Vencat spells it out, the "air cars" plug into a wall outlet, allowing an on-board compressor to pressurize the car's air tank to 4,500 pounds per square inch. It takes about four hours to get the tank to full pressure, then the air is then released gradually to power the car's pistons.

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If you need a passing gear, be sure to eat some beans before you leave home
1 posted on 05/25/2009 2:52:05 PM PDT by The_Sword_of_Groo
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To: The_Sword_of_Groo

lol....imagine a four-car pile up of these.


2 posted on 05/25/2009 2:53:44 PM PDT by Psycho_Bunny (ALSO SPRACH ZEROTHUSTRA)
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To: The_Sword_of_Groo

Obummer promised cars that ran on unicorn flatulence and Magic Skittles.


3 posted on 05/25/2009 2:54:07 PM PDT by BipolarBob (It takes a Kenyan village to raise a US president.)
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To: The_Sword_of_Groo

I wonder how much tax 0 would put on the fuel to run this car?


4 posted on 05/25/2009 2:54:24 PM PDT by freeangel ( (free speech is only good until someone else doesn't like what you say))
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To: The_Sword_of_Groo

Is that a Corvette ?

No it’s a DeWalt !


5 posted on 05/25/2009 2:55:08 PM PDT by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But have a plan to kill everyone you meet)
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To: BipolarBob

Ah hell, the FReeper comedians are on fire today!

Which is a good thing, lemme tell ya.


6 posted on 05/25/2009 2:55:43 PM PDT by stentorian conservative (I'm tired of being Johnny B. Goode and I'm gonna start being Johnny Reb.)
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To: The_Sword_of_Groo
Zero Pollution Motors

God, when will the insanity end?

7 posted on 05/25/2009 2:56:44 PM PDT by EGPWS (Trust in God, question everyone else)
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To: The_Sword_of_Groo

8 posted on 05/25/2009 2:56:57 PM PDT by freedumb2003 (Communism comes to America: 1/20/2009. Keep your powder dry, folks. Sic semper tyrannis)
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To: The_Sword_of_Groo

(Car commercial narrator) - “Introducing the all-new 2011 Congresscritter...”


9 posted on 05/25/2009 2:57:33 PM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist ("President Obama, your agenda is not new, it's not change, and it's not hope" - Rush Limbaugh 02/28)
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To: The_Sword_of_Groo

organ donor car

10 posted on 05/25/2009 2:58:24 PM PDT by Doogle (USAF.68-73..8th TFW Ubon Thailand..never store a threat you should have eliminated))
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To: Squantos
Yah. FReekin breaking news here. Gawd.


11 posted on 05/25/2009 2:58:44 PM PDT by glock rocks (Shut up Darrell.)
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To: freeangel

GPS, one dollar per mile.


12 posted on 05/25/2009 2:58:47 PM PDT by MaxMax (America's population is 304-Million. Obama must punish America for the other 4.7 Billion)
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To: The_Sword_of_Groo

I wonder if this is more or less efficient that the car that runs on water? /s


13 posted on 05/25/2009 2:59:13 PM PDT by SeminoleSoldier
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To: The_Sword_of_Groo

14 posted on 05/25/2009 2:59:13 PM PDT by Tijeras_Slim
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To: The_Sword_of_Groo

15 posted on 05/25/2009 2:59:15 PM PDT by rawhide
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To: The_Sword_of_Groo

So, where’s the gov’ts road tax $$ theft take place with these vehicles?


16 posted on 05/25/2009 2:59:19 PM PDT by Paladin2 (Big Ears + Big Spending --> BigEarMarx, the man behind TOTUS)
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To: glock rocks

Take me to your leader
17 posted on 05/25/2009 2:59:45 PM PDT by MaxMax (America's population is 304-Million. Obama must punish America for the other 4.7 Billion)
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To: MaxMax

Just waitin on the comet...


18 posted on 05/25/2009 3:00:24 PM PDT by glock rocks (Shut up Darrell.)
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To: The_Sword_of_Groo

Lot of gas in Washington. Compressed too.


19 posted on 05/25/2009 3:01:49 PM PDT by golfisnr1
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To: glock rocks

LMAO !!!

I’ll ride a bicycle to work before I ride in that POS ....:o)


20 posted on 05/25/2009 3:02:57 PM PDT by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But have a plan to kill everyone you meet)
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To: The_Sword_of_Groo
a tailpipe that emits nothing but air

I'm pretty sure that's a "greenhouse gas" and must be regulated...

21 posted on 05/25/2009 3:03:18 PM PDT by Onelifetogive (Check out Puppy News at www.buyingapuppy.com)
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To: The_Sword_of_Groo
...compressing air is notoriously energy intensive.

Take a deep breath and exhale.

If you need assistance, nuclear power is cleaner and cheaper.

Political directives however are known to be very expensive.

22 posted on 05/25/2009 3:03:51 PM PDT by EGPWS (Trust in God, question everyone else)
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To: The_Sword_of_Groo

I guess that would be called ‘pooter gear’?


23 posted on 05/25/2009 3:05:59 PM PDT by biff
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To: EGPWS
compressing air is notoriously energy intensive

i was envisioning getting each of my girls a bicycle pump so they could keep me charged as i was driving down the road.

"Are we there yet daddy?"
"Just a few more pumps!"
24 posted on 05/25/2009 3:06:53 PM PDT by The_Sword_of_Groo (Dum spiramus tuebimur - "While We Have Breath, We Will Defend")
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To: glock rocks

OH HOW CUTE!!!!(squeels) Lady bug cars!!!!!


25 posted on 05/25/2009 3:07:36 PM PDT by Dallas59 ("You know the one with the big ears? He might be yours, but he ain't my president.")
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To: The_Sword_of_Groo
Industrial strength dumb idea. Compressing air is VERY inefficient.
26 posted on 05/25/2009 3:07:44 PM PDT by mad_as_he$$ (Nemo me impune lacessit (Two terms for politicians, one in office, one in jail.))
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To: The_Sword_of_Groo

You pedal pusher you. ; )


27 posted on 05/25/2009 3:09:15 PM PDT by EGPWS (Trust in God, question everyone else)
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To: The_Sword_of_Groo
"Air compressors are one of the least efficient machines to convert electricity to work,"

Ironically you might make it work from an energy efficient perspective by using liquid Co2 or dry ice (also Co2) as the compress gas source... fill a pressure tank with a dry ice slushy and apply a little heat to get the gas pressure up

28 posted on 05/25/2009 3:09:17 PM PDT by tophat9000 ( We are "O" so f---ed)
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To: MaxMax
EPIC FAIL2


29 posted on 05/25/2009 3:11:25 PM PDT by savedbygrace (You are only leading if someone follows. Otherwise, you just wandered off... [Smokin' Joe])
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To: The_Sword_of_Groo
It's a good news/bad news thing....

The good news is it actually works

The bad news is that not only do you look like a total goober driving one around but....

YOU ARE SITTING ON TOP OF A COMPRESSED AIR CYLINDER PRESSURISED TO 4500 PSI

which by the way takes four hours to refill for a 20 mile trip at normal speeds.

If we could hook it up to the average politician we could double the mileage.

30 posted on 05/25/2009 3:12:27 PM PDT by usmcobra (Your chances of dying in bed are reduced by getting out of it, but most people still die in bed)
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To: Onelifetogive
I'm pretty sure that's a "greenhouse gas" and must be regulated...

Today air isn't however the day will come that a lack of political agenda's will force the idea that air is something that needs to be contained via regulation and taxed to pay for the regulation.

31 posted on 05/25/2009 3:13:42 PM PDT by EGPWS (Trust in God, question everyone else)
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To: The_Sword_of_Groo
Already been done


32 posted on 05/25/2009 3:15:23 PM PDT by wastedyears (Rock and roll ain't worth the name if it don't make ya strut)
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To: usmcobra
YOU ARE SITTING ON TOP OF A COMPRESSED AIR CYLINDER PRESSURISED TO 4500 PSI

Gosh, THAT'S more than the 3000 psi used for the hydraulics in aircraft. ; )

It wouldn't kill anyone, it's just an all out stupid idea is my point.

33 posted on 05/25/2009 3:17:49 PM PDT by EGPWS (Trust in God, question everyone else)
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To: usmcobra
Thats an excellent point...i keep seeing the end of "Jaws" for some reason.

Laying down the sarcasm for a while, I have a question for the engineers out there. If you were going to run a vehicle on compressed gas, wouldn't it be more efficient to derive that pressure from a chemical reaction? Or would it be unfeasible to put enough chemicals on a vehicle to achieve enough pressure? Probably difficult to regulate i would assume. Any thoughts?
34 posted on 05/25/2009 3:18:04 PM PDT by The_Sword_of_Groo (Dum spiramus tuebimur - "While We Have Breath, We Will Defend")
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“YOU ARE SITTING ON TOP OF A COMPRESSED AIR CYLINDER PRESSURISED TO 4500 PSI”
Yeah, so?

I have a hand pump that I use for filling 3,000 PSI paintball tanks.


Of course, getting in a wreak with one of those cars could be rather unpleasant... (hehe)
35 posted on 05/25/2009 3:21:36 PM PDT by Fichori (Patriot's wanted: https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: EGPWS
I'm a pedal pusher.


36 posted on 05/25/2009 3:22:58 PM PDT by wastedyears (Rock and roll ain't worth the name if it don't make ya strut)
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To: The_Sword_of_Groo

4 hours to fill the air tank?? 4 hours??


37 posted on 05/25/2009 3:24:08 PM PDT by GeronL
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To: EGPWS

zero pollution??

and the electricity to compress that air??


38 posted on 05/25/2009 3:24:57 PM PDT by GeronL
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To: glock rocks

pile in the kids soccer team!!


39 posted on 05/25/2009 3:26:42 PM PDT by GeronL
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To: GeronL

That’s what I saw, too.
Like we’re supposed to go to work and pay some kid to work a tire pump in a parking lot for four hours while suppressing their laughter at how stunningly STOOPID this car looks.


40 posted on 05/25/2009 3:29:19 PM PDT by RandallFlagg (Satisfaction was my sin)
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To: wastedyears
1982 XL250R

Move it on over buddy! ; )

41 posted on 05/25/2009 3:30:18 PM PDT by EGPWS (Trust in God, question everyone else)
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To: GeronL

I think first sentence in post #26 pretty much says it all. However, how much you wanna bet at least one of us will be stuck next to some a-hole driving one of these rolling speed bumps getting a heated lecture from some tree hugging moron who gets increasingly frustrated when we just aren’t “nuanced” enough to understand the benefits?


42 posted on 05/25/2009 3:30:44 PM PDT by The_Sword_of_Groo (Dum spiramus tuebimur - "While We Have Breath, We Will Defend")
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To: The_Sword_of_Groo
making cars whose energy source is pulled literally out of thin air.

Idiot.

43 posted on 05/25/2009 3:32:16 PM PDT by Gorzaloon (Roark, Architect.)
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To: EGPWS

Mine is quieter :p


44 posted on 05/25/2009 3:34:01 PM PDT by wastedyears (Rock and roll ain't worth the name if it don't make ya strut)
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To: BipolarBob

We have a winner!

Post of the day.


45 posted on 05/25/2009 3:36:04 PM PDT by Straight Vermonter (Posting from deep behind the Maple Curtain)
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To: wastedyears
Mine is quieter :p

So you aren't an outspoken liberal yapper then?
~ snort

46 posted on 05/25/2009 3:36:41 PM PDT by EGPWS (Trust in God, question everyone else)
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zero pollution??

and the electricity to compress that air??

Makes for a great promotion for home schooling doesn't it?

47 posted on 05/25/2009 3:39:17 PM PDT by EGPWS (Trust in God, question everyone else)
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Ok, there has been a question I have wanted ask someone who knows, for years(more than I care to admit), being an electronics tech, of sorts, earned my living at it more or less for the last 15 years of my working life, I have always meant to study, but never got around to it, why diesel electric motors were used in Trains and not diesel motors. Does it take less fuel to run the generators for the electric motors than it does to run a straight diesel engine? If so, then why are not the hybrids being built today utilizing diesel engines instead of gas?

I know, it is probably simple but if anyone on here has the knowledge and feels like taking the time to answer I would appreciate it.

48 posted on 05/25/2009 3:47:30 PM PDT by calex59
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To: EGPWS

Haven’t seen one of those enduros for a while and it appears to have a mono shock swing arm..I use to race Susuki 250s in Enduro in Nothern CA back in the day..


49 posted on 05/25/2009 3:50:11 PM PDT by calex59
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To: The_Sword_of_Groo

The car will not have enough power to exist in hilly San Feancisco, moonbat Mecca

This is but a grant magnet for some Rat Senator to placate some supporters with money


50 posted on 05/25/2009 3:50:19 PM PDT by bert (K.E. N.P. +12 . Crucify ! Crucify ! Crucify him!!)
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