Flying Saucers From Hell

Yes, but the fact remains that charisma runs in families, which is how "royal blood" got started. The first princes and kings were originally tribal warlords, and warlords rule by inspiring loyalty among the warriors in their tribe. When the warlord dies, his son (or, rarely, daughter) was acclaimed the new warlord. Since being the son of a person with charisma is not a guarantee of having charisma (blood does become "watered down" over time), sometimes the new king doesn't have the ability to inspire loyalty, and a power struggle results. But the result is always a new warlord -- never a "president" or "prime minister". These are administrative titles that were never meant to come with power attached.

The same is true today. In every "democracy" or "republic", the elected power structure holds the reins only so long as the army agrees. Even here in the US! After all, let's say Congress passed a treaty signed by the president requiring everybody to turn in their guns to the UN, or to abort their third child, or to become part of the Global Union. Do you think the US Army would let that happen? If you do, you're wrong. Sure, the top brass would probably go along, but some charismatic colonel somewhere would rally his men and roll the tanks into Washington D.C. It's called the "Seven Days in May" scenario.

In America, we call people with charisma "born leaders". You mostly see them on the football field, the movie set, at the head of the Boy Scout troop, and in other, similar locations. But given the right set of circumstances that popular quarterback, beloved film star, or Scoutmaster could be a Charlemagne, a Joan of Arc, a Francisco Franco.

This is one reason why I am a monarchist and an opponent of so-called popular government. God knows His own, and gives to some men -- as He did to the shepherd David -- the power to inspire the hearts of others. Those who dare topple a king -- even a bad one -- are going against the will of God. "I will not raise my hand against the Lord's anointed" -- 1 Sam 24:10

I’ve never heard of Replacement Theology. As for the “end times”, that rapture stuff is 100% baloney. Every day is the Day of Judgment for somebody. You or I could be catapulted into Eternity at any moment. THAT is the the only “end time” that we ought to be concerned about.

I pray to God that His mercy will cover each of us when our own individual “end of days” arrives.

Totally agree with your post.

"Where do people get the idea that Satan and his demons rule over a Kingdom of Hell like God and his angels rule over a Kingdom of Heaven?"

Symmetry.

(Oh, yeah - and the Scriptures ..... and Zoroaster ..... and Milton.)

(And a You-are-not-the-only-one ping to you, Sal.)

HMMMMMMmmmmmm

Ahhhhhhhhhhhhh

More RC RUBBER "BIBLE" "THEOLOGY"

1 Thessalonians 4:17 (New International Version)
17After that, we who are still alive and are left will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will be with the Lord forever.
1 Thessalonians 4:17 (The Message)
15-18And then this: We can tell you with complete confidence—we have the Master's word on it—that when the Master comes again to get us, those of us who are still alive will not get a jump on the dead and leave them behind. In actual fact, they'll be ahead of us. The Master himself will give the command. Archangel thunder! God's trumpet blast! He'll come down from heaven and the dead in Christ will rise—they'll go first. Then the rest of us who are still alive at the time will be caught up with them into the clouds to meet the Master. Oh, we'll be walking on air! And then there will be one huge family reunion with the Master. So reassure one another with these words.
1 Thessalonians 4:17 (Amplified Bible)
17Then we, the living ones who remain [on the earth], shall simultaneously be caught up along with [the resurrected dead] in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air; and so always (through the eternity of the eternities) we shall be with the Lord!

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Confidence in anything and/or anyone else but God and His Word is folly . . . whether it be bureaucratic magicstericals, local congregational traditions, denominational traditions, customs, heritage, in-group mentalities, fantasies, personages, . . .

GOD ALONE IS TRUSTWORTHY.
GOD ALONE IS SUFFICIENT.
CHRIST, GOD ALONE IS SALVATION.
GOD ALONE IS EVERLASTING PEACE AND LIFE.
GOD ALONE IS WORTHY.

CHRIST IS

COMING AGAIN . . . ALL EVIDENCE INDICATES IN THIS ERA AND A LOT SOONER than most seem to think.

Folks foolishly . . . with eternal level foolishness . . . ignore the evidence and the Scriptures related thereto.

Agreeing with man in contradiction to Scripture is hazardous.

I do agree that it’s a crucially vital personal hyper-priority to be clearly Biblically prepared for one’s own graduation from this life regardless of the timing or means of that.

Hmmm - and there’s the “Mitt Romney on Abortion” video right after this article. Coincidence,, acidental editorial, or unintended but funny juxtaposition? Anyway, it made me laugh.

Agreeing with man in contradiction to Scripture is hazardous.

If you deal with academia it is an occupational hazard.

I have been able to both defend orthodoxy and come up with explanations based on the historical truths as academia acknowledges them.

Religion Moderator; Admin Moderator; . . . This thread OP is essentially theological and most properly belongs in the Religion Forum, please?

END TIMES AND UFO PING LISTS PING AT THE "A" MOST BASIC PING LEVEL.

The following excerpts are of the greatest interest and import, to me.

Billy Graham, for instance, has been quoted as saying that the angelic UFO occupants have been sent to help us "fight the demons in the prelude to the Second Coming of Christ". Furthermore, a 2002 Time/CNN poll found that 59 per cent of those quizzed accepted the literal truth of the ‘End Times’ predicted in the Book of Revelation. 2 And the poll found that many believe that the final battle with the Antichrist will take place in their own lifetime.

Nearly 60% has probably risen since that poll. Anyone denying that the looming globalism is setting the world up for literal Biblical Armageddon is either Biblically grossly ignorant of just not paying the least bit of attention.

While some ufologists have attempted to make out a case for hostile aliens in the tradition of HG Wells, none of these scenarios are as interesting as the ones conjured up in the fundamentalist literature on UFOs, founded as they are upon traditions which date back to mediæval demonology. . . . However, this would be far from the truth – demonology has played a very influential, and largely overlooked, role in the development of ufology both in the United States and Britain.

H.G.WELLS was a globalist as the quotes ref’d in my tagline make abundantly clear. I have wondered if, however, he was somewhat warning the world what was looming in the not too distant future. Both the WAR OF THE WORLDS and THE TIME MACHINE have elements straight out of the UFO related ‘more solid’ literature from the whistle blowers working around such technologies, craft and critters.

Certainly both novels play heavily on the fears and fear dynamics so dear to satan and his goons. Such fears are also persistently evident as major factors in the UFO abduction literature.

The fallen angel aspect has recently become much better documented with a study of more than 300 abduction cases by an associate of GUY MALONE. I forget his name and won’t bother looking it up at the moment. I’ve posted about it hereon before.

Such materials and information is available at Guy’s websites:

AND

The referenced documentation and conference video presentations are extensive from a high quality panel of seasoned and well educated experts from a diversity of relevant fields.

One of the more telling facts from such research is that 100% OF ALL the more famous researchers were surveyed by Guy about whether they had ever had any cases where the Name and Blood of Jesus applied, asserted in a situation had ever halted or prevented an abduction. 100% of those famous researchers ONLY UNDER CONDITIONS OF ANONYMITY--AFFIRMED THAT THEY HAD NUMEROUS SUCH CASES.

The study of more than 300 abduction cases brought to light that the Name of Jesus is not 100% effective in all cases. There are evidently cases where—like with the demonized man in the New Testament who [when some jokers tried using the phrase “Jesus whom Paul preaches” to cast the demons out--asserted: “Jesus I know, and Paul I know but who the . . . are you?” before tearing the man up . . . there are cases where the person has evidently far too little association with, belief in Jesus for Jesus’ name to be functionally applicable to their protection. Thankfully, those cases are greatly in the minority of the 300+ cases of the study.

Probably the best-known books promoting the demonic theory of UFOs are John Weldon & Zola Levitt’s UFOs: What on Earth is Happening? and Dr Clifford Wilson’s UFOs & Their Mission Impossible, both published in the 1970s.3 These three writers represent a very vocal faction of Christian fundamentalists who have written on the subject. Weldon & Levitt pull no punches in setting out their stall: UFOs are manifestations of demonic activity, and the increasing number of UFOs in our skies is the result of demons gathering for the coming of the Antichrist. From this point of view, evidence identifying the UFO occupants as fallen angels is plentiful in the Bible, if you know where to look and how to interpret obscure passages appropriately. More recently, writers in the same tradition have pointed to the wave of alien abduction claims as proof that Satan’s hordes have been let loose on the world. They are out to steal our souls and deceive us into a false religion, especially by promoting such ideas as ancient astronauts and evolution rather than Creation.

To me, it DOES NOT MATTER whether UFO critters are fallen angels or citizens of distant planets or other dimensions. The critical issue is are they on satan’s side in setting up and supporting the global government. Clearly, THEY ARE.

Guy’s experts make a distinction between demons and fallen angels. They assert that demons are the fallen angels who lost their bodies in the flood. Not all fallen angels did lose their bodies then. Some experts assert that some of the grays are bio-engineered ‘suits’ that house demons so they can operate in visible tangible ways in this dimension.

A Space-Age Demonology
I wanted to discover how far these extreme views were reflected in British ufology. Initially, I thought there was little evidence; then I scratched beneath the surface and found a mountain of literature and even a society dedicated to promoting the demonic theory. The former editor of Britain’s Flying Saucer Review, Gordon Creighton, was until his recent death the best-known demonologist in the UK. But what is not so well known is that, as recently as 1996, a group of ‘concerned ufologists’ which included Creighton and the founding President of BUFORA, Graham Knewstub, privately circulated a report warning of the demonic origins of UFOs.
The UFO Concern Report was copied to several hundred ufologists, MPs and peers of the realm and was endorsed by none other than Lord Hill-Norton, a former British Chief of Defence Staff. Hill-Norton, who died in 2003, shortly after Creighton, is usually quoted by UFO proponents as someone who, given his military contacts, should have known what he was talking about. So it is interesting to find Hill-Norton writing, in the memorandum which launched the report, that UFOs were "essentially a religious matter" rather than a military threat from outer space, and that furthermore: "There is certainly a degree of psychical involvement in almost every case. Quite often, however, such experiences are definitely antithetical to orthodox Christian belief."

This is particularly fascinating. Lord Hill-Norton—former British Defense Chief . . . asserting the truth about the satanic, fallen angel aspects of the phenomena is quite telling. He certainly had to have had some serious information at his cognizance, from which to assert such truths.

The UFO Concern Report was a "restricted edition" aimed at alerting "top people" to the dangers posed by UFOs and abductions. While Hill-Norton’s memo was published in FSR, it got very little publicity in the mainstream UFO press. Some of the big names who initially supported it later distanced themselves because they didn’t agree with the emphasis placed by the report’s author, sub-deacon Paul Inglesby, on the spiritual dangers posed by UFOs.

YET AGAIN, we find that stubborn, arrogant, ignorant willful blindness—even that dooms one to hell—is chosen over liberating, eternal-life fostering TRUTH of Christ and truth of reality. Humans can be such pathetic creatures.

Inglesby was, before conversion to the Orthodox faith, an Anglican priest by the name of Rev Eric Inglesby. It is largely through his and Gordon Creighton’s influence that the demonic explanation of UFOs has been kept alive in Britain.
Born in 1915, Inglesby is probably Britain’s longest serving UFO theorist, with contacts at the highest level both in the church and in the British establishment. Much of what has been written on this subject in the UK emanates from his persistent and meticulous writings, even though most ufologists I’ve questioned have never heard of him.

Fascinating. I’ve not often ran across him either. The MSM is quite effective in walling out major sources of truth from many main, sanctioned data-streams.

Inglesby is also unique in that his interest began a whole decade before the flying saucer era. In 1938, while serving with the Royal Navy under Lord Mountbatten, he contracted a tropical disease and was left dangerously ill for three months. During this time he underwent a "devastating spiritual experience", during which he saw visions of a future atomic war and demonic forces controlling space ships and nuclear weapons. While trapped in this timeless limbo, "…not only did I witness future events, in a mental telepathic sort of way, but throughout the whole of this time a battle was raging for possession of my soul". 4

CLEARLY, God had other plans than to give him up to the enemy. Thankfully, Inglesby has been faithful to his mandate and calling. The puzzle is that the extremely well connected Lord Mounbatten seems to have been ineffective (if he tried), at convincing any of the royals of the TRUE TRUTHS of the matters involved. Sad, that.

Fortunately, Inglesby’s prayers were answered and he was saved from the clutches of the demonic forces. Following his baptism of fire, he naturally remained on the lookout for evidence of evil influences. When the first reports of flying saucers appeared in British newspapers in 1947, Inglesby felt his visions were about to become reality. He found the extraterrestrial hypothesis, prevalent in the media and ufology, an unsatisfactory explanation for the phenomenon. Gradually, he came to believe the contacts and messages passed on by the UFO occupants were, at least partly, demonic in origin.

Clearly, he was sharp enough &/or led of God enough to avoid being deluded—deluded like so many “moderns” in the field have been.

Like other fundamentalists, Inglesby saw the decline of traditional religion and the arrival of New Age and UFO-based religious cults such as the Moonies as a sign that the End Times were imminent. Of course, this wasn’t a new idea, or one exclusive to Christians. As forteans are well aware, belief in the approaching apocalypse is a massively important theme throughout the history of ufology. It is particularly associated with UFO cults whose leaders have predicted world cataclysms in messages supposedly passed on by the space people. Fundamentalists, however, interpret these messages as being demonically inspired.

This should not be considered overly odd nor contradictory. Satan has historically played on and played with fears of humans. Scripture is full of “FEAR NOT’s.” The UFO literature even includes a number of reports that certain types of such critters are addicted to a chemical from human brains taken when the humans are freaked out on fear. The chemical is supposedly like an illegal drug in terms of a big thrill to the critters’ physiology somehow.

Before the End Times can arrive, Satan must implement his evil plan for world domination. In order for it to succeed, large numbers of people – particularly those in high places – will be brainwashed or possessed by evil spirits in order to prepare them for the final battle on the side of the Antichrist. This idea of a creeping take-over alarmed those who believed UFOs were demonic in origin. Not for them the War of the Worlds invasion of aliens with machines and death rays. They feared a more deadly takeover of human souls and the horrifying idea of crossbreeding between demons and human beings to create hybrid creatures.

INDEED.

There are persistent reports of military leaders being quite alarmed that there are types of ‘ET’s’ which are indistinguishable [some at all and some without very careful close examination and scanning] from normal humans. There are even concerns on the part of some military types that said ‘human’ looking ET’s have taken over key leadership positions on the global stage—even in the US political bureaucracy and military. This may be true by such critters working their way up with various skids being greased to aid their rise in power along the way. SOME even are concerned that normal human leaders HAVE BEEN REPLACED with cloned critters housing ET/fallen angel mentalities, spirits and the original human then disposed of. Can anyone spell “body snatchers?”

The famous Antonio Villas-Boas UFO abduction case from Brazil provided the demonologists with the evidence they were looking for when it was published in FSR. This amazing story of a sexual liaison with a female alien, which took place on board a UFO in 1957, did not emerge in the UFO literature until 1965. Ever since, the sexual theme has continued to turn up in abduction narratives, so much so that Inglesby was able to state, in a letter to FSR published in 1993, that: "All the evidence points to quite a simple solution [to the UFO abduction mystery], namely that wicked spiritual powers for some time have […] been stealing human sperm and ova […] however, these genetic ingredients most probably are NOT crossed with their own genetic stuff (if any!) […] but are being used […] to create pseudo human beings […] probably thousands, if not millions, of these creatures somehow, somewhere, now exist. Inevitably they must be soul-less, and thus can be easily possessed and completely controlled by evil spirits [the ‘aliens’]. Their ultimate purpose can only be the takeover of planet Earth by invasion, Trojan-horse fashion."

OF COURSE, this analysis and proposition is exceedingly plausible, given all the evidence. Personally, I’m certain that at least elements of that have been in place a very long time—60 years, at least.

Demonic ideas in the new ufology
At the opening of the UFO era in 1947, the ETH was just one of a number of competing theories for the origin of flying saucers. When the very first Gallup poll was carried out in the US, the ETH did not even figure in the results. But when asked "What do you think the saucers are?" one woman responded by "citing a Biblical text… [and] said it was a sign of the world’s end". 5

Folks who deny that these are the END TIMES are denying piles of evidence. They are also denying major chunks of UNrubberized Bibles. Often, it appears that they are stubbornly, arrogantly, willfully, foolishly, blind, dumb and ignorant about very basic facts of current realities.

However, even at this stage, more ancient devil traditions from folklore were becoming entwined with the UFO narratives. Probably the most obvious example is the Men in Black, or MIB, a piece of ufological folklore which began with the story of Albert K Bender, founder of the US-based International Flying Saucer Bureau. Bender learned the ultimate source of the saucers in 1953 and decided to reveal what he knew. What happened next is legend: three sinister men dressed in black suits paid him a visit, having intercepted his letter. The MIB visit affected him so profoundly that he discontinued all further involvement with ufology and shut down his saucer club.

I still don’t have a sense, a gestalt, a distilled consensus about who or what the MIB are. I’m convinced they are real. Whether they are critters, humans, sometimes one and sometimes the other . . . I don’t know. The jury is still quite out on that score, imho.

Bender had an obsessive interest in the occult and black magic as well as flying saucers, so perhaps it is hardly surprising that he was visited by the devil. 6 His experience, though, had far-reaching consequences in that it tended to alert some of the more religious members of flying saucer clubs to the spiritual dangers of involvement in flying saucery. As a result, a schism occurred, with some saucer groups actively avoiding any associations with the occult such as were rife among the contactee movement. But the spiritual connotations of flying saucers would not go away.

Guy Malone has found that even surface dabbling in the occult has been sufficient for the UFO critters etc. to have access to a life, even to a family. It still amazes me that many FREEPER “Christians” are soooooo ignorant and sooooo disbelieving of spiritual warfare REALITIES in this era.

By the late 1960s, many mainstream ufologists were growing disenchanted with the subject. The long-predicted landings on the White House lawn had failed to materialise and the truth about UFOs seemed as elusive as ever. In some cases, ufologists turned away from the ETH and looked instead to occult and supernatural explanations. Journalist and author John Keel and, to a lesser extent, the French computer scientist Jacques Vallee, were leaders of the so-called ‘new ufology’. Keel’s theory of ‘ultraterrestrials’ – supernatural entities which coexist with mankind in a parallel universe – proved immensely popular among ufologists who were looking for an alternative to the ETH.

Humans seem to have an infinite capacity when confronted with facts they decide are too uncomfortable to face—an infinite capacity to then come up with all manner of silly alternative explanations. God will easily have such pontificating absurdities and blasphemies in derision.

Keel claimed he could contact the UFO entities via messages relayed by contactees and even via the telephone (in a similar fashion to spirit mediums). These encounters led him to conclude that the intentions of the UFO occupants were sinister. In his Operation Trojan Horse, he wrote: "The UFOnauts are the liars, not the contactees. And they are lying deliberately as part of the bewildering smokescreen which they have established to cover their real origin, purpose and motivation."

I believe he’s quite right. Even many military whistleblowers have persistently commented on the fact that the ‘ET’s’ LIE, LIE, LIE! Yet, mystifyingly, the world’s leaders—the oligarchy—the globalists are eagerly marching down the yellow brick road to hell and dragging & shoving the world with them.

Although Keel avoided religious conclusions and claimed to be an atheist, his ultraterrestrials were, in effect, identical to the angels and demons of old. Flying Saucer Review was one of the main conduits for these Keelian/occult views, whose influence reached every UFO group and society in Britain. When Gordon Creighton took over editorship, the demonic theories were promoted with renewed energy. By 1976, he could write in a review of one of Vallee’s books that: "Demons… are here already in immense strength." They were busily selecting those people whose genetic stock was needed for crossbreeding. Even worse, the demonic entities were programming these slaves to commit violence and controlling puppets in Government to do their evil bidding.

ABSOLUTELY CORRECT. Othuga is merely a well prepared, well-trained, well conditioned robotic stooge of the demonized oligarchy aided by all manner of ‘ET’ critters and forces toward overt establishment of the long running under the table global government ruling elite. I wonder how many of them realize that they are soonish to become terminally eternally OBSELETE.

These were peculiar views, even for a UFO publication. Creighton was following Inglesby in forging a demonological interpretation of ufology, a package that contained some disturbing ingredients such as extreme right wing politics and raging paranoia. During his long editorship, these bizarre views found a home in the very mouthpiece of ‘serious’ ufology. For a time, anyone who was anyone in the subject read FSR. And, as a result, a number of very well known names were drawn into this web – including some of those from Britain’s largest UFO organisation, BUFORA.

Three former chairmen of BUFORA, including the founding President, Graham Knewstub, along with Capt Ivar Mackay and Roger Stanway, became convinced that UFOs were of demonic origin. Both Knewstub and Stanway were originally believers in nuts-and-bolts spacecraft, but their views changed when their involvement in ufology came into direct conflict with their religious beliefs.

In November 1976, Stanway stunned his friends and colleagues by resigning as chairman and severing all contact with the subject. In his resignation letter of November 1976, he explained that he and his wife had been "born again" as part of a massive Christian revival that was sweeping through the world. He added that: "Furthermore, I now believe that the UFO phenomenon has Satanic origins." You could dismiss Stanway as an isolated example of someone who was pre-inclined to religious fundamentalism – but that wouldn’t necessarily be true, and he isn’t an isolated example.

It amazes me that some Evangelicals seem compelled to insist that there’s ‘absolutely NO nuts and bolts’ craft involved. Why can’t it be a BOTH/AND reality? My relative clearly worked around (an observational distance) tangible UFO craft that our black ops sorts of crews built, maintained and flew. Reportedly the critters even helped us build a fleet of such.

I’m not denying that some ‘craft’ may well be ‘materializations’ of demonic forces etc. etc. etc. There are persistent reports that some of the craft seem to be ‘alive.’ And, SOME of the shape-shifting phenomena might be more easily explained by an extra-dimensional fallen angel sort of organism than by a bit of technological hardware. However, there is evidently also hardware that can dramatically change shape.

Perhaps the most bizarre story of all concerns the BUFORA investigator for South Wales, Randall Jones Pugh, who died in 2003. Pugh – a retired veterinary surgeon – was a God-fearing man who investigated the West Wales UFO flap of 1977 that became known as the "Welsh Triangle". Initially, he was another believer in ET visitors but gradually his views changed. During his investigations, Pugh looked into a range of weird happenings centred upon a remote part of the Pembrokeshire coast: lights and objects hovering in the sky, mysterious silver-suited figures peering into farmhouse windows, cowering animals, a herd of cattle teleported from one part of a farm to another, and poltergeists plaguing a family of UFO witnesses. 7 By 1980, he had concluded that the UFO occupants were evil supernatural entities, and came to believe ufologists were placing themselves in both physical and spiritual danger. Soon afterwards, like Roger Stanway before him, Pugh left ufology and burned his collection of books and slides. These actions followed a series of personal experiences that, he claimed, "were too frightening to talk about".

Sounds like a wise Christian. If I didn’t feel called to stand up for the truth with awareness and a well-informed stance . . . I’d love to be free of it all, lock stock and barrel. It’s clearly a spiritually dirty business.

Like Pugh, the Rev Anthony Millican’s interest in evil aliens came from personal experience. One night in April 1968, he was out for stroll with his wife near his vicarage on the outskirts of Bristol. Suddenly, the couple saw a glowing, dome-shaped object hovering close to the ground just a few hundred feet away. It was transparent and appeared to rotate silently on its axis; both felt "uncanny and chilling" sensations.
Millican said: "I don’t think the thing I saw was mechanical at all. I got the distinct impression that it was alive." He felt the UFO was evil, and made a report of it to the Bishop of Bristol and to the police, who searched the area but drew a blank. 8

It’s not clear, to me, whether some craft are 100% alive . . . or bio-engineered creations wherein aspects of the craft are living tissue of one sort or another . . . such that the thought-waves of the pilots can interact with the craft such that . . . as many researchers and whistle-blowers assert—the pilot and craft BECOME AS ONE. Some ‘heads-up-display’ advance!

Christians vs the Space People
In May 1977, a group of priests and former ufologists came together as a result of an advert placed in the The Church Times. In the advert, Eric Inglesby had invited all those who were concerned by the growing public interest in UFOs and aliens to join a new Christian UFO Research Association. Although membership of CHRUFORA never rose above 40, the society had associates from all denominations of the Christian faith. It included ufologists such as Knewstub, Stanway and Pugh and clergy such as Inglesby, Millican and several bishops. The association pledged to fight against what it saw as the rising tide of occultism and to do everything in its power to warn others about the evil influence of flying saucery, which was "fraught with danger for the unwary and riddled with heresy and false belief".

GOOD FOR THEM. I wish they’d have a wider audience.

CHRUFORA saw the imminent release of the Steven Spielberg film Close Encounters of the Third Kind as the most obvious focus for their campaign launch. Inglesby described the massive popularity of the film as "slow poison, more deadly even than The Exorcist". The use by Spielberg of the Devil’s Tower monument in Wyoming as the focal point of the film’s final close encounter was clear evidence to CHRUFORA of the movie’s demonic inspiration.
Members also identified a number of other evil elements in the plot. For example, those contacted by the aliens are subject to a form of ‘mind control’ (demonic possession) that gives them an overwhelming desire to make their way to the Devil’s Tower. At the climax of the movie, the UFO entities are portrayed as benevolent and angelic, and – as all well-informed demonologists know – Satan’s demons are able to disguise themselves as ‘angels of light’ to deceive world leaders.

This angels of light phenomena seems to be totally off the radar of even “Christians” who’s backgrounds and/or denominations preclude Acts 2, I Cor 12-14 realities from their common “Christian” perspectives and experiences.

Essentially, that signals, to me, that most of whole groups are ripe for the seductions of the fallen angels because said “Christians” have not functionally and usually have not intellectually ACCEPTED THE WHOLE COUNSEL OF THE WHOLE OF SCRIPTURE about what SHOULD BE NORMATIVE for the Christian life in this ‘Church age.’ Indeed, some clueless, willfully deaf, dumb and blind folks deny that there even are ‘eras’ involved in Christianity and history-in-the-making at all.

For them, not only is this NOT any sort of Biblical END TIMES, God quit being God after Pentecost or at least after John ran out of ink at the end of Revelation. What idiocy! Sheesh! They can deny God’s supernatural nature and tendencies and HIS determination to relate to HIS KIDS SUPERNATURALLY ALL THEY WANT. They are merely increasing the chances that they will end up on one side of a crucial line and God will be on the other side.

Rev Millican’s reaction to the opening of the film in his native Bristol was to set up a stall in the foyer of the Odeon Film Centre. By June 1978, over 150,000 people had passed through; there were plenty of souls to save. During his campaign, he handed out 4,000 leaflets warning cinemagoers that UFOs were not ETs but "the devil’s messengers".

Praise God for his faithfulness and courage. Too many Christians are not only asleep at the switch on such scores but are lazy or wimping out at a crucial time.

Millican’s display was in direct opposition to the message of the local UFO club and the Aetherius Society – which had 20 stalls of its own at cinemas up and down the country – but his demonic message seems to have been the most newsworthy. 9

The enemy is great at getting his message out through every pore of modern media and culture. Where’s the church?

--asleep
--in denial
--clueless
--playing fogged out mind-games
--fighting over minor details
. . . sigh . . .

While Millican was saving souls in Bristol, Inglesby was more concerned about the spiritual welfare of the Royal Family. Her Majesty the Queen, he felt, was in grave spiritual danger if she allowed herself to be seen to publicly endorse the film. In February 1978, he learned to his horror that both the Queen and Prince Philip had been persuaded to see it for the benefit of a charity. In desperation, he appealed to the Archbishop of Canterbury and to Lord Mountbatten, urging them to intervene and warning that Her Majesty’s presence might prove "disastrous" for the Royal Family.
In the event, the Queen, along with Prince Philip and Lord Mountbatten – both of whom were long-standing flying saucer enthusiasts – attended the star-spangled Royal Premiere on 14 March, apparently without any intervention by demonic forces.

Who can say how much or how little demonic forces increased their influence on the royal family as a result of that single event. Probably much had already been achieved in the darker halls of the powerful elites of all stripes and nationalities—by all accounts.

Having failed in their campaign against Close Encounters, CHRUFORA had more success in their bid to make their mark on the House of Lords UFO Debate initiated by ufologist Lord Clancarty (Brinsley Le Poer Trench). It was through the intervention of Inglesby and CHRUFORA that the Archbishop of Canterbury asked Maurice Wood, the Bishop of Norwich, to speak in the debate, held in January 1979. In his contribution, he said he was anxious about the dangers posed by UFO cults and pseudo-religions "obscuring basic Christian truth" and added: "Some Christian researchers suggest that those who become deeply involved in the religious aspects of the UFO situation come under psychic domination which can cause serious distress to them in their personal lives."

That’s putting it mildly!

Battlefield Earth
So why did the demonic theory of UFOs become such a popular explanation from the late 1960s and early 1970s on? And how many ufologists and, indeed, members of the public, give credence to this idea today?
I suspect there may be a link between belief in a demonic origin for UFOs and the wider "occult revival" recognised by the sociologist Marcello Truzzi (see FT208:58–59). He categorised the revival into four main areas of popular fascination: Astrology; Satanism and Witchcraft; Parapsychology; and Eastern mysticism. "Flying saucers" appeared only in a fifth ‘waste basket’ category containing areas which he believed had "small scope and influence or are in an actual state of decline". 10

Plausible. However, the enemy is not totally stupid. He does a LOT under the table and with lots of smoke and mirrors involved . . . lots of confusion involved . . . TONS of deceptions of all types and levels are involved.

Few detailed studies have been carried out into the relationship between religious and UFO beliefs. As a result, it is difficult to assess how many people subscribe to the angelic / demonic origin of UFOs. There have been few opinion polls in the UK, but if we look at the most recent US Gallup poll from 1996 we find that 48 per cent of respondents believe UFOs are real and not figments of the imagination. Proponents of the Extraterrestrial Hypothesis tend to interpret the result as meaning that nearly half the population believe UFOs are ET visitors – but is this really the case?
Much depends on what is meant by "real". For many religious people, the Devil is very much a physical, living reality. Certainly, his evil influence is as real to them as are the Greys to those who believe in alien abductors. Indeed, it seemed that, in the USA at least, belief in the devil had easily overtaken the ETH in the run up to the Millennium. A succession of polls published by the Center for Policy Research found belief in the devil increased from 37 per cent in 1964 to 48 per cent in 1973.11 The latest Gallup poll, in 1995, found this had risen to 65 per cent – more than those who believe UFOs are "real"!

Interesting stats. I hope more people realize the reality of satan and his goons of all varieties.

We can now appreciate why the demonic theory has retained its popularity for so long and why it appears to be the only answer that makes sense to many people. Quite simply, as Gareth Medway has recognised, 12 demonic theories have an advantage over all other ufological hypotheses. Many people want an answer to the mystery that leaves no ambiguities, and no residue of unexplained cases. Those who seek to explain UFOs as weather balloons, mirages, ball lightning, ‘earth lights’ or ET craft can make their case only by distorting or ignoring evidence that does not fit – or by suppressing it.

Boy, that’s the truth. Suppressing it and distorting it have been major tools.

An American Orthodox priest, Fr Thomas Kulp, summarised the superiority of the demonic theory over all others in this way: "If we are being visited by extraterrestrials, no unified and coherent hypothesis has yet been offered to explain the multifarious worldwide motifs of alien contact… There is not a single UFO incident on record that cannot be explained as a demonic deception or apparition."

Some believe that no tangible objects are involved and that all is 100% mind manipulation and altered perceptions through fallen angel/demonic forces.

I don’t doubt that satan’s crews of whatever variety are involved. However, I believe that sometimes, maybe most of the time, they do use some technologies. It’s NOT 100% ALL spiritual forces mumbo jumbo exclusively.

So, if you believe the devil and his army of demons are real, everything can be explained. As the devil has unlimited powers, no UFO story is too absurd or contradictory, as this is just what would be expected if their source were a demonic one. Bearing this in mind, we can appreciate why this theory proved so attractive to ufologists like Creighton and Inglesby, who had searched in vain for a satisfactory answer. For ufologists of a paranoid or apocalyptic mindset – with which the subject seems beset – the idea of an invasion by evil forces (whether alien or Satanic) can explain all the baffling and contradictory aspects of the UFO mystery.

I think that paragraph is too glib and shallow a summary. There’s some truth to it but the tone is misleading.

Perhaps that is what the space people who visited New Jersey signwriter and contactee Howard Menger in 1956 were trying to communicate. As well as telling him they were from Venus, Mars, Jupiter and Saturn, introducing him to space music and the delights of space potatoes, they informed him that there were both good and bad space people, and that the bad ones could disguise themselves.

I’ve long believed that satan has set up a ‘good cops/bad cops’ set of teams with which to deceive mankind. It would be a relatively easy thing for him and different crews of fallen angels to appear to be fighting one another for earth . . . and the winners to collaborate with earth’s leaders to set up a world government and society to protect and help earth and humans to survive. Sounds like something Al Gorebacle might say half of.

When Menger asked how a mere mortal was able to tell them apart, one of the spacemen turned and looked at him sadly, saying: "My friend, this Earth is the battlefield of Armageddon, and the battle is for men’s minds and souls. Prayer, good thoughts and caution are your best insulation."
Dr David Clarke lectures on supernatural beliefs and urban legends at Sheffield University’s Centre for English Cultural Tradition. He is a regular FT contributor and author of The Angel of Mons (2004).

Prayer in and of itself can be futile or worse. PRAYER TO JESUS CHRIST IN HIS SPIRIT IS CRITICAL.

True.

And AMEN TO THAT!

I’ve often achieved similarly, by HIS GRACE AND SPIRIT.

I hope you have been enjoying the quality of my posts.

OF COURSE.

THANKS THANKS!

Appreiate your contributions to dialogue.

Blessings,

“...best-known books promoting the demonic theory of UFOs...”

also, “ALIEN ENCOUNTERS”, by Missler

A good one, alright.

Thx.

Or...

What if "Demons from Hell", were, and have always been, Aliens from another planet/dimension? Now that I think of it, would there really be any practical difference?

What if "Demons from Hell", were, and have always been, Aliens from another planet/dimension? Now that I think of it, would there really be any practical difference?

Based on my understanding of physics - nothing can go faster than the speed of light and even approaching the speed of light makes it impossible to fathom the complexities involved - not to mention the killer inertia levels, etc. - means that it is almost impossible if life exists in outer space it is visiting earth - and even if there is life in space able to t ravel between stars - the odds of them finding earth is just as astronomical.

If - if - if UFO's are real - they have several possible origins - humans from the future visiting the past. Time traveling in theory is much easier to do than traveling between stars.

Or

Beings that live another plane of existence parallel to our own - again with the theory being that breaching the dimensional membrane is easier than traveling between stars.

POST 51

BKMK 4 later reading = bflr

It’s been a while since I read on the subject so my memory may be in error.

IIRC, fallen angels are merely fallen angels and remain as such. But the demons are souls of the Nephilim/Rephriam (et al giants) who were the offspring of the copulation between fallen angels and human women.

Please correct me if I’m in error on this!