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Revolutionary discovery means world may not run out of crude
Digital Journal ^ | Sep 13, 2009 | Stephanie Dearing

Posted on 09/14/2009 4:38:09 PM PDT by decimon

A team of scientists based at the Royal Institute of Technology in Sweden have made a "revolutionary" discovery about how hydrocarbon is formed, learning that animal and plant fossils are not necessary to form crude oil.

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The article, titled Methane-derived hydrocarbons produced under upper mantle conditions, and published in Nature Geoscience, states that

"Whether hydrocarbons can also be produced from abiogenic precursor molecules under the high-pressure, high-temperature conditions characteristic of the upper mantle remains an open question. It has been proposed that hydrocarbons generated in the upper mantle could be transported through deep faults to shallower regions in the Earth’s crust, and contribute to petroleum reserves."

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Science
KEYWORDS: catastrophism; thomasgold
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1 posted on 09/14/2009 4:38:09 PM PDT by decimon
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To: thackney

Swedish crude ping.


2 posted on 09/14/2009 4:38:48 PM PDT by decimon
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To: decimon

How do we test this hypothesis??


3 posted on 09/14/2009 4:40:14 PM PDT by GeronL (http://libertyfic.proboards.com ............. http://tyrannysentinel.blogspot.com)
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To: decimon

The abiogenic theory isn’t new. I wrote a paper on it in school 20 years ago, and I try to interject it into any conversion about oil supplies.


4 posted on 09/14/2009 4:43:14 PM PDT by Bryanw92 (Question O-thority!)
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To: decimon

Russians hypothesized this quite some time ago, drilled on the premise, and struck oil.

Kinda kills Peak Oil theory.


5 posted on 09/14/2009 4:43:29 PM PDT by Uncle Miltie (NEXT: Sting ACORN on Voter Registration.)
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To: decimon
Jerome Corsi has been talking about this for a long time on Worldnet Daily
6 posted on 09/14/2009 4:44:24 PM PDT by BufordP ("I've abandoned free market principles to save the free market ..." --George "Hoover" Bush)
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To: decimon

not a new theory, and, to me makes more sense than “fossil fuels” ever did.


7 posted on 09/14/2009 4:44:50 PM PDT by rigelkentaurus
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To: Bryanw92

I see I don’t need to make the same statement you just made. Thank you :)


8 posted on 09/14/2009 4:46:10 PM PDT by the anti-liberal
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To: decimon

I have heard this theory talked about for years now. It does explain why there is more crude today in some oil fields that should have (!) played out years ago.

Sorry, I don’t have a source. I just remember that I heard it somewhere.


9 posted on 09/14/2009 4:47:12 PM PDT by Jemian
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To: decimon

Oil is now a renewable fuel, lol! Plus, we could always mine Titan.


10 posted on 09/14/2009 4:47:34 PM PDT by Hoosier-Daddy ("It does no good to be a super power if you have to worry what the neighbors think." BuffaloJack)
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To: decimon

Eventually, they will figure out this is where life came from as well.


11 posted on 09/14/2009 4:48:15 PM PDT by vbmoneyspender
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To: decimon

How else can there be crude oil SEVEN MILES below the bottom of the Gulf of Mexico?

I’ve not seen any plate tectonics models that put formerly plant-bearing plates subsuming there.


12 posted on 09/14/2009 4:51:00 PM PDT by Blueflag (Res ipsa loquitur)
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To: GeronL

Well, they test for bio-markers in attempt to prove that crude is a fossil fuel. I suppose they could test for anti-bio-markers to prove it isn’t a fossil fuel. Then we could all sit around and argue who’s markers matter.


13 posted on 09/14/2009 4:51:48 PM PDT by mamelukesabre (Si Vis Pacem Para Bellum (If you want peace prepare for war))
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To: mamelukesabre

I guess just cuz there are fossils in oil doesn’t mean that the fossils are the reason there is oil. The ocean doesn’t exist because of the fish that are in it.

The oil seeped up from the mantle and absorbed the tiny fossils over the centuries. That has got to be a possibility


14 posted on 09/14/2009 4:54:30 PM PDT by GeronL (http://libertyfic.proboards.com ............. http://tyrannysentinel.blogspot.com)
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To: Bryanw92

Right with you. I did a thesis paper in high school in 1970 just because I didn’t buy the dinosaur theory. Kewl!


15 posted on 09/14/2009 4:56:16 PM PDT by mazda77 (Rubio for US Senate)
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To: GeronL
How do we test this hypothesis??

I don't. I leave that to Rus Swedes.

16 posted on 09/14/2009 4:56:26 PM PDT by decimon
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To: decimon

The problem isn’t the amount of oil...it’s the amount that is allowed to come to market.....


17 posted on 09/14/2009 4:59:58 PM PDT by rightwingextremist1776
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To: mazda77; the anti-liberal

I’m happy to find some other people that have heard of it. When I mention it, I usually just get blank stares because everyone “knows” that oil comes from dead dinosaurs and people treat the abiogenic theory as something similar to believing in UFOs.


18 posted on 09/14/2009 5:00:00 PM PDT by Bryanw92 (Question O-thority!)
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To: Bryanw92

Thank the Lord!
Maybe we can get rid of those ugly windmills that are sticking up in the middle of beautiful valleys. We drove through PA and they hurt my eyes.

And they throw ice!


19 posted on 09/14/2009 5:04:09 PM PDT by netmilsmom (Psalm 109:8 - Let his days be few; and let another take his office)
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To: decimon

Wow, how interesting! If this is true, doesn’t it blows to smithereens the whole liberal / environmental mindset that we’re using up all the oil and will have to switch to some other source of energy?


20 posted on 09/14/2009 5:05:47 PM PDT by rimtop56
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To: rimtop56

yes, which is why libs will fight this science tooth and nail


21 posted on 09/14/2009 5:08:10 PM PDT by silverleaf (If we are astroturf, why are the democrats trying to mow us?)
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To: Uncle Miltie
"Peak Oil Theory"

I like it every time some doomist talks about peak oil, because they always find some huge deposit of oil whenever they, the doomists, do.

22 posted on 09/14/2009 5:10:11 PM PDT by driftless2 (for long term happiness, learn how to play the accordion)
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To: Bryanw92

Believe it or not, the theory was presented in a chemistry class at a *very* liberal university, which I’m currently, ah, attending. I’d heard of it before, but I was surprised when it was brought up by the teacher.


23 posted on 09/14/2009 5:11:20 PM PDT by the anti-liberal
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To: decimon

Simple: How many planets and moons in our solar system contain methane or other hydrocarbons in their atmospheres?

How many of them have had biological life present on their surfaces at some point in history to account for this if you believe in “fossil fuel”????


24 posted on 09/14/2009 5:15:22 PM PDT by datura ("Against all enemies, both foreign and domestic")
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To: Bryanw92

There have been articles on FR about it before in the last few years. That’s where I first heard about it. I wish I had saved the links.


25 posted on 09/14/2009 5:15:34 PM PDT by Some hope remaining.
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To: decimon
If there was found to be unlimited supplies of oil gushing from the sea, no limits on nuclear power use and a fuel cell for every home, the fact is the climate is still changing and is still a potential source of unlimited wealth redistribution.

Carbon dioxide is still defined as a toxic substance potentially regulated by the EPA.

So don't hold your breath...wait, we NEED to hold our breath...

26 posted on 09/14/2009 5:16:39 PM PDT by sonofagun
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To: decimon
From article:

However, this discovery does not mean that emissions from the combustion of hydrocarbons do not create climate change.

Yeah, I think we're all set with that global warming crazy-talk.

27 posted on 09/14/2009 5:17:03 PM PDT by ROCKLOBSTER (RATs, nothing more than bald haired hippies.)
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To: decimon

My husband has always said that oil is a renewable resource and he has a very complicated theory. Weren’t we supposed to run out 20 years ago?


28 posted on 09/14/2009 5:29:22 PM PDT by tiki (True Christians will not deliberately slander or misrepresent others or their beliefs)
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To: GeronL
The ocean doesn’t exist because of the fish that are in it.

Oh yes, I've seen the fish making the water. They're always kind of sucking in and then spitting out. That must be where all the water comes from. That's also why fish started out so small. They had to make all that water before they could get very big.

29 posted on 09/14/2009 5:37:55 PM PDT by ReagansShinyHair
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To: GeronL

Look and see if hydrocarbons form on other planets that never had dinosaurs? Like entire oceans of methane?

Drill in rock formations, and at depths, that are not oil bearing according to conventional theory.

See if oil can be created on a lab using the theory, (it can) Have someone explain precisely, the dynamics of oil creation from biological sources in a way that stays within the laws of thermodynamics. They do it all backwards. They say, we find oil in this zone of heat and pressure in the earth, in strata about this old. So their “recipe” is to put detrius from old animals, at that temperature and pressure, for that number of years. But they do not explain it with a testable hypothesis. Their approach would explain that strippers are created by building a bar, keeping it at a constant 72 degrees, serving alcohol, and playing motley crue. After all, these are precisely the conditions where you successfully find strippers.

Hydrogen and carbon are like 1st and 4th most common elements. They readily bond. They do it all over the universe. At different temperatures and pressures, it can be a gas, a liquid, a solid. Only on earth does it need to come from a dinosaur.

The theory that microorganisms create the oil is also backwards. The organisms feed on it, they are a contaminant, not the cause. Conventional oil theory is based on working backwards from an observation, not upon a hypothesis tested by experiment.


30 posted on 09/14/2009 5:42:26 PM PDT by DesertRhino (Dogs earn the title of "man's best friend", Muslims hate dogs,,add that up.)
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To: tiki

Doesn’t matter. The world ends in 2012.


31 posted on 09/14/2009 5:42:28 PM PDT by mamelukesabre (Si Vis Pacem Para Bellum (If you want peace prepare for war))
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To: rimtop56
doesn’t it blows to smithereens the whole liberal / environmental mindset that we’re using up all the oil and will have to switch to some other source of energy?

Of course it does. Lib and enviro-tard insiders admitted years ago that we weren't running out of oil, quietly of course. That's where the global warming (followed by climate change) came from.

32 posted on 09/14/2009 5:45:57 PM PDT by ChildOfThe60s (If you can remember the 60s........you weren't really there)
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To: mamelukesabre

Corsi’s book explained exhaustively why the bio-markers are contaminants, feeding on the oil, not creating it. And don’t we even have micro-organisms right now that we use to try to mitigate oil spills? They actually use oil as food?
It’s not really that crazy.


33 posted on 09/14/2009 5:46:11 PM PDT by DesertRhino (Dogs earn the title of "man's best friend", Muslims hate dogs,,add that up.)
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To: DesertRhino

Holy smokes! I got an old motley crue album. All I need now is a pole and a bar.

Seriously, I think they already proved they can make petroleum from turkey guts. I think they already built a plant


34 posted on 09/14/2009 5:47:48 PM PDT by mamelukesabre (Si Vis Pacem Para Bellum (If you want peace prepare for war))
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To: ROCKLOBSTER

“However, this discovery does not mean that emissions from the combustion of hydrocarbons do not create climate change.”

Another fine example of the same “science”. There is no repeatable experiment that has established that CO2 will change the climate. It’s a hypothesis, that has grown wings and suckles at the government teat, thats all.


35 posted on 09/14/2009 5:49:43 PM PDT by DesertRhino (Dogs earn the title of "man's best friend", Muslims hate dogs,,add that up.)
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To: mamelukesabre

“The world ends in 2012.”

Good point. We are awash in insanity,, we really are. But im all for this theory of 2012. That December im going to wear out the line, “hey baby, it’s the end of the world,,wanna get lucky?”


36 posted on 09/14/2009 5:53:10 PM PDT by DesertRhino (Dogs earn the title of "man's best friend", Muslims hate dogs,,add that up.)
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To: decimon
Thomas Gold , a Cornell astronomer proposed inorganic oil back in 1955. He even wrote a book about it ( The Deep Hot Biosphere). To prove the theory a test drill was done on a solid granite meteor impact site in Sweden . The findings are in dispute.
37 posted on 09/14/2009 5:55:19 PM PDT by Nateman (If liberals aren't screaming you're doing it wrong.)
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To: DesertRhino
There is no repeatable experiment that has established that CO2 will change the climate. It’s a hypothesis, that has grown wings and suckles at the government teat, thats all.

I know, I know... and a damn poor hypothesis at that.

How can the CO2 molecules at .038 of a percent concentration even get close enough together in the atmosphere to form a layer/barrier to trap heat?

38 posted on 09/14/2009 5:58:10 PM PDT by ROCKLOBSTER (RATs, nothing more than bald haired hippies.)
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To: decimon
Shocked . . . shocked, I say!

Through no scientific testing or even minimal research on my part, I've always considered the idea - that petroleum comes entirely from dinosaurs and plants - was doubtful if not just stupid. I have no idea how much oil/gas can be squeezed out of a brontosaurus or how much humans have burned in the last century but I'd bet a gallon of 30-weight that we've already used more than nature could make from every plant and animal that ever existed.

39 posted on 09/14/2009 5:58:51 PM PDT by DesertSapper (God, Family, Country . . . . . . . . . . and dead terrorists!!!)
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To: mamelukesabre

Hmmmm,,, don’t know about the Turkey guts. It’s be interesting to know what they are doing chemically. Wonder if its a good parallel to what the argument is for traditional theory for creation of oil?

We are getting in the zone where my lack of education starts becoming dangerous.


40 posted on 09/14/2009 6:02:56 PM PDT by DesertRhino (Dogs earn the title of "man's best friend", Muslims hate dogs,,add that up.)
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To: ROCKLOBSTER

And its a coincidence im sure, that buying that hypothesis means that we need world government. After all, the atmosphere respects no borders.


41 posted on 09/14/2009 6:05:30 PM PDT by DesertRhino (Dogs earn the title of "man's best friend", Muslims hate dogs,,add that up.)
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To: DesertSapper
Shocked . . . shocked, I say!

To find that gambling is happening in the mantle.

42 posted on 09/14/2009 6:09:01 PM PDT by decimon
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To: decimon

By now, most anyone with a brain knows that petroleum has to come from some other source than life waste. - How would it ever have gotten into pools, and how would we have so much of it?

Our known reserves have continually increased, year by year, in spite of the incredible volume we consume. Visualize a million barrels of oil - a huge amount, but we use more than that in a day.


43 posted on 09/14/2009 6:10:38 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (The beginning of the O'Bomb-a administration looks a lot like the end of the Nixon administration)
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To: DesertRhino

Extremely high temps and pressures. Essentially a giant uber-pressure cooker. It doesn’t take millions of years either.


44 posted on 09/14/2009 6:12:06 PM PDT by mamelukesabre (Si Vis Pacem Para Bellum (If you want peace prepare for war))
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45 posted on 09/14/2009 6:16:20 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/__Since Jan 3, 2004__Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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To: Some hope remaining.
"There have been articles on FR about it before in the last few years."

If you search the posts of the late "Texas Cowboy" aka Cobb1, you will find dozens of threads on this. He was a petroleum engineer, and didn't accept biological origin.

46 posted on 09/14/2009 6:18:24 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (The beginning of the O'Bomb-a administration looks a lot like the end of the Nixon administration)
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To: tiki
"Weren’t we supposed to run out 20 years ago?"

In the '50s the Chicken Littles were telling us that we would run out in 1967.

47 posted on 09/14/2009 6:21:24 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (The beginning of the O'Bomb-a administration looks a lot like the end of the Nixon administration)
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To: ReagansShinyHair

Well that solves where the oceans came from


48 posted on 09/14/2009 6:27:51 PM PDT by GeronL (http://libertyfic.proboards.com ............. http://tyrannysentinel.blogspot.com)
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To: DesertRhino

I totally agree


49 posted on 09/14/2009 6:37:15 PM PDT by GeronL (http://libertyfic.proboards.com ............. http://tyrannysentinel.blogspot.com)
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To: SunkenCiv

Bookmark for later


50 posted on 09/14/2009 7:07:27 PM PDT by TexasTransplant (NEMO ME IMPUNE LACESSET)
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