Posted on 10/26/2009 4:21:40 AM PDT by decimon
Many thanks for your response; I am very interested in this. I think I can see where your patients got into trouble. Not only were they taking D2 instead of D3, but 1 mg (milligram) of D = 40,000 IU. I can certainly see where 2-3 grams would them out! I have become convinced that up to 10,000 IU/Day is not harmful but beneficial. I’ve been on 6000 for years; If I go down from toxicity, I’ll post from my death bed. The conversion of D from IU to mg is difficult. Here are my sources:
http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_do_you_convert_vitamin_d_iu_to_mg
http://riteaid.naturemade.com/faq/faq.asp?s=108#505
i got my 3 year old on 500 iu’s a day and im taking 5k iu’s a day. my dr said to take that instead of flu vacine
TNTC. Too numerous to count.
I don’t believe the tablets they were taking were quite that potent. I figured it up and they received 15 years of the minimum daily requirement in about 3 weeks.
These phytoestrogens are also found in more than 300 plants that may also bind with receptors of humans. Naturally occurring estrogens are common in many cereals, legumes, fruits, and tubers. These "endocrine disruptors" are all around us and can be found in the natural foods we eat every day. If you fear soy milk then you must also fear any human diet containing cereals, fruits, and vegetables.
Asians have regularly consumed soyfoods without fertility disorders for ages and Asian countries have been producing healthy and highly functioning children for centuries. The myth about soy turning boys into girls, and vice-versa, is nothing but a myth. Legitimate research has not shown that consuming isoflavones negatively impact our hormonal systems.
That’s still a boatload! 400IU x 356 x 15 = 2,190,000 over 3 weeks. 2,190,000/21 = 104,258 IU/day!
Yeah it was a boatload. No one on the medical service was surprised that they were comatose and in renal failure. I treated the first one, and suddenly I was considered the local expert on Vitamin D poisoning. That’s why I was called in to consult on the second one. It was at a different hospital, but someone remembered that I had treated one the year before.
Thanks for reading way to much into what I wrote. While there is no way to avoid all forms of this, I do try to avoid soy milk because it is not a great alternative to cow’s milk. I never implied that it does cause reproductive issues in Asians, but I will add that I have reproductive issues that have decreased since avoiding soy products. I also have noticed a difference in my PCOS since I have been avoiding xenoestrogens (no small fete since they are found in most body care products). There was a study done by a group that gets donations from American Dairy Farmers, so it is safe to say it might be biased, but the group’s study compared height of Asians born and raised on Asian soy diets to height of Asians born and raised on American non-soy diets. The latter groups average heights were taller.
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Thanks for all the work on this. Here is another article I think maybe people would like to read about where what you eat can be helpful in fighting the flu.
http://www.ky3.com/healthy/65651922.html
I’m just worried that they’re going to take away the vitamins that I already take!
Uh, you wrote:
That's wrong.
...I do try to avoid soy milk because it is not a great alternative to cow’s milk.
It's a great alternative to cow's milk if you're a child that can't consume cow's milk.
I never implied that it does cause reproductive issues in Asians
You said that the phytoestrogens in soy milk turns boys into girls and vice-versa. I assumed that applied to Asian, American, European and all other boys and girls. Asians consume large amounts of soy and we don't see any evidence of boys developing female characteristics or vice-versa.
but I will add that I have reproductive issues that have decreased since avoiding soy products
You know what they say about causes and correlations.
. I also have noticed a difference in my PCOS since I have been avoiding xenoestrogens (no small fete since they are found in most body care products).
The ratio of natural to synthetic estrogen equivalents is around 40,000,000 to 1. My point is that naturally occurring estrogenic compounds far outweigh the potential effect of minute amounts of synthetics. Your dietary exposure to xenoestrogens is minor compared to the daily intake of estrogen equivalents you receive from naturally occurring sources. If you fear xenoestrogens then you should fear the foods you eat every day.
What does this study on the average height of people on soy diets vs. non-soy diets have to do with phytoestrogens from soy turning boys into girls? We've known for a long time now that a diet high in animal protein will result in bigger people than a diet relying on plant protein.
Sounds like we are going to get a new vitamin D czar!
Can you post where you found this information, I would like to study it more. I have done a lot of Internet research on my reproductive issues and have found mountains of info that supports my ideas. I would like to see where you got yours. Especially the ratio that you found. Also, I never said that “soy milk turns boys into girls and vice-versa.” I said it gives boys girls characteristics and vice-versa. FYI, that works for men and women too. Characteristics: males with large breasts and women with facial hair.
Amen!
n old Veterinarian years ago told me not to buy into the soy protein good as animal protein myth for my show dogs or my children.
Yeah, something else for government bureaucrats to save us from.
Thank you. They need to mention that redheads are at an advantage with vitamin D absorption.
This is a study I recall from when I used to spend a lot more of my time keeping up with this issue. This man's research was used as a response to the junk science book "Our Stolen Future that indicted xenoestrogens for just about everything imaginable. It should come as no surprise that the authors of Our Stolen Future include algore.
Our Stolen Future is probably responsible for a lot of the information you've found on your own. There's a lot of junk out there and determining what is and what isn't has become much more difficult.
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