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Shop bans pipe tobacco after court order (NH)
Union Leader ^ | Nov 17, 2009 | SCOTT BROOKS

Posted on 11/18/2009 8:50:19 PM PST by This_far

A Brookline business that lets customers roll their own cigarettes has banned "pipe tobacco" from its rolling machines in response to a judge's order, the shop's lawyers said yesterday.

The court order takes away only a portion of the business Tobacco Haven has been doing, but it is a portion that is of particular concern to the state. The state Attorney General's Office, which sued the retailer in August, alleges it is illegal for Tobacco Haven to stuff "pipe tobacco" into cigarettes unless the company pays taxes on it.

The state has also argued that "pipe tobacco" is singularly

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KEYWORDS: banned; shelion; tobacco
0bammy, as a smoker, will step and help out. (won't he?)
1 posted on 11/18/2009 8:50:22 PM PST by This_far
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To: This_far

I don’t smoke, but please remind me what country we live in? You can’t buy pipe tobacco and roll it in paper to smoke it? How is that the business of our overlords?


2 posted on 11/18/2009 8:53:20 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (Palin/Thompson 2012, John Bolton Sec'y of State!!)
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To: This_far

IMHO, some pipe tobacco is one of the best scents in the world. I don’t know that they do differently between that and other tobaccos (I love cigars, hate cigarettes) but it is a great smell.


3 posted on 11/18/2009 8:54:52 PM PST by mnehring
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To: This_far
The state, however, notes there is a difference when it comes to taxes. Manufacturers who supply "cigarette" tobacco to Tobacco Haven are required to pay a special tax under a 1998 settlement agreement, which requires manufacturers to put money into an escrow account as a reserve for future lawsuits.

I really have fond memories of when this was a free country.

4 posted on 11/18/2009 8:57:23 PM PST by Minn (Here is a realistic picture of the prophet: ----> ([: {()
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To: mnehring

The difference is that pipe tobacco is soaked in various scents and flavors. I used to smoke a roll your own cigarette called A100 that was soaked in vanilla. People didn’t care that I smoked around them because it smelled like a pipe.


5 posted on 11/18/2009 8:57:41 PM PST by Psycho_Bunny (ALSO SPRACH ZEROTHUSTRA)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
but please remind me what country we live in?

That makes two of us.

(TYfys)

6 posted on 11/18/2009 9:00:46 PM PST by This_far (Mandatory insurance! I thought it was about health care?)
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To: abenaki

Check this story and location...LOL


7 posted on 11/18/2009 9:01:10 PM PST by 3D-JOY
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To: This_far

The state has also argued that “pipe tobacco” is singularly dangerous because it was being sold at prices “so low that young people would have found them affordable.”

>OH NOES! Think of the children!!!

“Not only did Tobacco Haven’s plan violate the law, but it placed a dangerous and addictive product within the financial reach of vulnerable children,” Attorney General Michael Delaney said in a statement yesterday.

>Yeah, and kids who want to smoke won’t be able to come up with the money for regular smokes? Please.

Andrew Schulman, an attorney for Tobacco Haven, called the attorney general’s statement “misleading and disingenuous.”

>At last, I have found an honest lawyer!

“Children can’t purchase tobacco products at any price,” Schulman said. “It is against the law to do so.” He added that Tobacco Haven “has been investigated and observed by the state and its agents, and there is no allegation that any tobacco has or will be purchased by children.”

But...but...you’re not thinking of the CHILDREN!!1!

The state’s lawsuit argues that Tobacco Haven should be considered a cigarette “manufacturer,” and so should be obligated to make payments into the escrow fund.

>>AHA! Now we get to ze trooth! What we have is merely another case of a state government making sure it wrings every last drop of tax money out of its citizens. The same state government, btw, that apparently didn’t think to tax “pipe tobacco” in the settlement it reached in 1998.


8 posted on 11/18/2009 9:01:42 PM PST by DemforBush (Now officially 100% ex-Democrat.)
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To: Minn
I really have fond memories of when this was a free country.

I have the same of NH

9 posted on 11/18/2009 9:02:47 PM PST by This_far (Mandatory insurance! I thought it was about health care?)
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To: DemforBush
The state has also argued that “pipe tobacco” is singularly dangerous because it was being sold at prices “so low that young people would have found them affordable.”

>OH NOES! Think of the children!!!

LARF... we often sit around and talk about being sent to the nearest vending machine with three dimes. The pack of butts had a penny included.

10 posted on 11/18/2009 9:09:28 PM PST by This_far (Mandatory insurance! I thought it was about health care?)
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To: Eric Blair 2084

You might be interested in this...


11 posted on 11/18/2009 9:10:18 PM PST by Califreak (Obama's Purple Reign must be stopped!)
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To: Califreak

They re-branded the moist tobacco used for pipes and put coarse tobacco in bags for rolled cigarettes. I read about this today.

Capitalists are way ahead of the central planners.


12 posted on 11/18/2009 9:15:18 PM PST by Eric Blair 2084 (Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms shouldn't be a federal agency...it should be a convenience store.)
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To: Psycho_Bunny

I never smoked and can’t stand the smell of cigarette smoke but will admit that some pipe smoke is pleasant. I used to live in Richmond, VA. and in some sections one could smell tobacco being dried in barns and it too had a pleasant aroma.

I had an Uncle Buck who looked just like a hard bitten old West cowboy tho he was a Florida farmer. He rolled his own from a Prince Albert can and it always fascinated me watching how expertly and fast he rolled those cigarettes, his final act a quick swipe of the paper on his lip to make it stick.


13 posted on 11/18/2009 9:18:05 PM PST by yarddog
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To: This_far

‘This is all of our faults, we allow them to place the chains on our ankles and only howl, but we don’t bite.


14 posted on 11/18/2009 9:22:15 PM PST by runninglips (It was just time for this to come to a head.....)
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To: This_far

Pipe tobacco= Black and Milds= blunts
Appears they are prohibiting the weed smokers from having some kick ass blunts. Just an observation.


15 posted on 11/18/2009 9:25:44 PM PST by goseminoles
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To: DemforBush
It's the $13 tax revenue they are losing because people are smoking
loose Pipe tobacco instead of loose Cig tobacco, heck even I switched
to avoid the Cig tax while my home grown tobacco cures. It's smooth smoking.
I have a machine that stuffs it into tubes btw.

Congress made the FEDERAL law separating the two, so IMO it will take the Congress to
look into it unless the state legislates it for themselves bypassing
Fed tax law.

I actually sold many tobacco plants last year at a good profit to
people who not only want to avoid the new taxes but I even sold
a few to a University "GRIN" at $5 each.


I think the elected officials are scared to death of using that word (TAX)
with the current fear of our new administration so they're using the
usual drive by cover story (Cheeeeeldren). It's pathetic.

16 posted on 11/18/2009 9:25:57 PM PST by MaxMax (Obamao can't play in the Olympic reindeer games)
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To: Eric Blair 2084

I bought some leaves a couple of weeks ago.

They weren’t bad. The taste and aroma had hints of a Cuban cigar.

I started rolling my own. I am down from 1-2 packs a day to just a few cigarettes now. A person can sit right next to me while I smoke and barely notice the smell because what I’m using has no additives. My house doesn’t smell like chemicals or car exhaust anymore.

I don’t crave them every 15 minutes anymore. Those additives must be what really hooks people on them.


17 posted on 11/18/2009 9:26:40 PM PST by Califreak (Obama's Purple Reign must be stopped!)
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To: goseminoles
Appears they are prohibiting the weed smokers from having some kick ass blunts.

No, that's a different topic. (medical mj is now becoming the entry way drug for taxes on illegal drugs)

Ain't life wonderful?

18 posted on 11/18/2009 9:44:17 PM PST by This_far (Mandatory insurance! I thought it was about health care?)
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To: This_far

I guess what I meant was that there is huge money in rolled pipe tobacco. I don’t have any facts on hand but I would venture to guess Black and Mild brand pipe tobacco cigars have seen a huge increase in sales over the last 10 years. Taxable of course. The government doesn’t want people rolling their own. And who else wants these for making blunts? Young folks that put reefers in them.


19 posted on 11/18/2009 9:52:04 PM PST by goseminoles
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To: goseminoles

Yeah, you’re right about the money involved.

The government raised the tax on bulk ‘rolling’ tobacco. Some stores now call it pipe tobacco.

Now, I’m wondering if the cost of menthol has gone up? (is that wrong?)


20 posted on 11/18/2009 9:57:45 PM PST by This_far (Mandatory insurance! I thought it was about health care?)
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To: This_far

save for later.

sounds like bs to me....


21 posted on 11/18/2009 10:54:28 PM PST by mowowie
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To: This_far

I don’t know what the deal is now but I recall that chocolate milk was taxed while white milk wasn’t. Government just won’t miss a single chance to pilfer from your wallet.


22 posted on 11/19/2009 2:02:12 AM PST by SWAMPSNIPER (THE SECOND AMENDMENT, A MATTER OF FACT, NOT A MATTER OF OPINION)
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To: SWAMPSNIPER

A tax on chocolate milk. That would be interesting to research.


23 posted on 11/19/2009 2:11:50 AM PST by This_far (Mandatory insurance! I thought it was about health care?)
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To: This_far

The idea was that chocolate milk is a snack item while plain milk is a food item.


24 posted on 11/19/2009 2:20:03 AM PST by SWAMPSNIPER (THE SECOND AMENDMENT, A MATTER OF FACT, NOT A MATTER OF OPINION)
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To: SWAMPSNIPER

Ohhhhhh yeah, that sounds familiar.

Chocolate milk in school: a necessary evil?
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-chocolate-milk17-2009nov17,0,6868728.story

chocolate milk...ain’t nature wonderful!


25 posted on 11/19/2009 2:45:09 AM PST by This_far (Mandatory insurance! I thought it was about health care?)
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To: runninglips
‘This is all of our faults, we allow them to place the chains on our ankles and only howl, but we don’t bite.

Did you write that? Is it part of something longer?

26 posted on 11/19/2009 7:48:01 AM PST by ExGeeEye (P.U.M.A.--BC/BG!)
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To: ExGeeEye

I wrote it, is it great? (meaning my mind stil werqz)


27 posted on 11/19/2009 9:44:01 AM PST by runninglips (It was just time for this to come to a head.....)
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To: runninglips

Yes, reminds me of Kipling.


28 posted on 11/19/2009 9:51:30 AM PST by ExGeeEye (P.U.M.A.--BC/BG!)
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