Posted on 11/24/2009 1:46:39 PM PST by Steelfish
People who believe in Christ are not Christians.
Wooooooo.
I guess Lutherans aren’t Christians either.They believe in Martin Luther.
Woooooooo!
You really need a new hobby.
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First off, this is not a “hobby”, for many of us this is calling, a ministry.
Second, it is WHAT they believe about Jesus Christ that makes them not Christians.
Christians believe that:
...Jesus is God, and always has been God
...Jesus is NOT a created being
...Jesus is not equal to Satan (or even close)
...Jesus was conceived miraculously through the Power of the Holy Ghost.
...the Atonement of Christ paid for all of our sins, not just those we can’t “work off”
...the Atonement took place on the Cross
...Christ’s death was part of His sacrifice for us
...Christ is our ONLY savior, not some decendant or a “prophet”
...Christ was not married
Mormons OTOH, believe the following (and I used to be a very active, very faithful Mormon):
...Jesus had to earn his Godhood by coming to earth, getting a body and becoming Perfect. His Godhood is his reward for living a good life.
...Jesus is a created being (a “spirit child of God and one of his wives called Heavenly Mother)
...Jesus is our “older brother”, Satan was the second “spirit child”, Jesus was first and the rest of us followed.
...Jesus is the LITERAL son of God, and that God (who has a body of flesh and bone, had sexual relations with Mary to concieve Jesus making Mary one of his wives).
...the Atonement of Christ only “kicks in” AFTER we do everything we can to make up our “mis-steps”. This includes membership in the Mormon Church (the ONLY true Church), mandatory tithe, temple attendance, church attendance and callings (some equivelant to full time jobs), 2 yr mission (if at all possible) to convert others not humanitarian, and so on (the list can go on forever).
...the Atonement took place in the Garden of Gesthemene
...Christ’s death was only necessary because he had to die so he could be resurrected, thus guaranteeing resurrection for everyone. His death becomes a footnote in their theology.
...thru temple work for the dead, we act as “saviors” for our dead ancestors who were not married, as well as other and that we will need the permission of Joseph Smith to get into Heaven.
...Christ was married, and probably a polygamist.
I can provide quotes if you would like.
THOSE ARE HUGE DIFFERENCES between Christians and Mormons. They have a very differing Christology, one that demeans Christ and His sacrifice.
Jim Robinson: "But Romney is a NO go. And I don't care who this socialist, abortionist, homosexualist, constitution trampling bastard picks for running mate. If Romney's in I'm out!
G.O.P., R.I.P!"
The question of “are Mormons are Christians” has been brought up since Joseph Smith founded the group in 1830. Even then, the answer was “no”.
This isn’t about Romney, this is much bigger.
Remember my “perhaps” earlier, I never said I would not vote GOP, I just said I will not go quietly or surrender like you will do and are asking others to as well.
Yes that is exactly what you are doing.
I respect my vote more than that. So do the vast majority of freepers I have come to know from our conversations as well as their many posts here. It is that respect for what our founders envisioned, for that sacred trust in “the people” and the value of their vote that makes us anything BUT CINOs.
Disrespecting peoples vote, tossing them around like fodder, stealing them like dime store candy or threatening because they don't come to you automatically, all of those are activities of the left.
Anyways if such dedicated and serious conservatives are the friends I attract from any position I take, I am in glad company.
One last thing, something I guess I need to be straightforward about so that even you will understand since you obviously have yet to “get it”.
Stop with your “vote for Obama” and threatening schtick this far out. There are many who will profess no support for whomever right but may change their minds IF things are allowed to progress naturally. As it is the Conservatives out there are not happy with the GOP or the same ole’ same ole’. Attitudes such as yours are more than likely to make them do the opposite of what you wish. Yes, they are mad enough to toss caution to the wind, try and ride things out hopping the since the GOP and the Democrats are essentially treating the people and their desires the same way, failure will ultimately clear the field.
You say you will support with passion whomever it is you are for. Stick to that and understand others will fight for theirs and against those who do not represent in an appreciable way Conservative ideals and do so for the next couple of years.
Even in the end if they don't vote or vote third party, that is no more a vote for Obama than it is a vote for continued mediocrity and failure on the part of the GOP.
Like I said if you really are being on the up and up, drop the attitude and try earning some support. The path you are on now, the same path the GOP/RNC has been on for years now is the path to FAILURE.
If you don't get that, if you cannot see that then there is not much I can say to help you and I doubt you are capable of getting past your limited self interest anyways.
Which is the final irony, for given your supposed passion and fervor, you have to ask not for whom ejonesie22 will vote for but you have to ask can I afford to lose his vote?
And as it appears from numerous posts on FreeRepublic as well as the few Tea-party events I have attended that is a question you and the GOP are going to have to ask 10s of thousands of times over the next couple of years...
Seems like someone has some work to do, and calling people losers and Obama supporters is not a prestigious start to the effort at hand.
All you “conservatives” are a bunch of “losers”...
Winners do what GOP tells them to do!
LOL...
Romney/GOP hacks are more entertaining than a free year of HBO and predicable as the sunrise.
However, I have been consistent with what I have stated a few times. I give them a chance, treat them like adults for a few posts and after seeing the results file them away as needed under the appropriate heading.
Been very few I have registered as “just simply misguided but on the up and up” however...
I guess you could INTERPRET this way if you wish; but the TEXT says his CLOTHES were wrong - NOT his ACTIONS.
1. Jesus spoke to them again in parables, saying:
2. "The kingdom of heaven is like a king who prepared a wedding banquet for his son.
3. He sent his servants to those who had been invited to the banquet to tell them to come, but they refused to come.
4. "Then he sent some more servants and said, `Tell those who have been invited that I have prepared my dinner: My oxen and fattened cattle have been butchered, and everything is ready. Come to the wedding banquet.'
5. "But they paid no attention and went off--one to his field, another to his business.
6. The rest seized his servants, mistreated them and killed them.
7. The king was enraged. He sent his army and destroyed those murderers and burned their city.
8. "Then he said to his servants, `The wedding banquet is ready, but those I invited did not deserve to come.
9. Go to the street corners and invite to the banquet anyone you find.'
10. So the servants went out into the streets and gathered all the people they could find, both good and bad, and the wedding hall was filled with guests.
11. "But when the king came in to see the guests, he noticed a man there who was not wearing wedding clothes.
12. `Friend,' he asked, `how did you get in here without wedding clothes?' The man was speechless.
13. "Then the king told the attendants, `Tie him hand and foot, and throw him outside, into the darkness, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.'
14. "For many are invited, but few are chosen."
15. Then the Pharisees went out and laid plans to trap him in his words.
And I believe I asked you to name names.
DUH!
He couldn't even win the 2008 primary against a KNOWN Rino!
Will you PLEASE go off on a tangent with us: we are TRYING to turn this thread away from it's title.
--MormonDude(Mitt's my man - so whatya gonna DO about it??)
Hah!
That's nothing: let the Kirby® salesman in your house if you want Entertainment!
I'm reminded of a scene from Animal House. To set it up for you, the Deltas have been expelled, and Otter has suffered a beating at the hands of the other Greeks on campus. In response to the dire situation, Otter suggests the following:
I think that this situation absolutely requires a really futile and stupid gesture be done on somebody’s part.
To which John Blutarsky replies:
And we're just the guys to do it!
Do you see the parallel? You don't want four more years of Obama, but what if Romney is the GOP nominee? Rather than do the right thing and vote for Romney, you instead use your vote to deliver that futile, stupid third party tally.
Yes, you're just the guys to do it.
You have two and a half years to wise up.
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You have two and a half years to wise up.
Hello!
Romney will NOT be the one.
He alREADY is a LOSER in the public eye and he ain't about to get any better traction.
But then; there IS that pesky PROZAC® thing...
The Utah Department of Health has declared it an “epidemic”.
I didn’t say that he WOULD be the one! Doesn’t anyone on this thread understand what a CONDITIONAL statement is?
Apparently you missed the message when you grew up Pentecostal, or you never would have become LDS. Those who REALLY have a relationship with the Lord, don’t trade it out for a works based “religion” that teaches men can become Gods.
Apparently you missed the message when you grew up Pentecostal, or you never would have become LDS. Those who REALLY have a relationship with the Lord, don’t trade it out for a works based “religion” that teaches men can become Gods.
Funny, I was LDS in my teens and 20’s and by the grace of God, those chains were broken and I truly know Jesus and Him Crucified.
“Any conservative who refuses to vote for the GOP nominee in 2012, whomever that may be, is not a conservative at all, but a showboater who is more concerned with perceptions and social standing than with defeating BHO.”
I did not vote for John McCain in 2008, I will not vote for him if he gets the nod in 2012. This is not because I believe he is a RINO (he is) but because I have a personal, visceral, white hot hatred of the son-of-a-bitch.
While Mitt Romney is certainly further to the left than I am comfy with, I harbor no hatred of him personally. I could vote for him, in the general over Obomba.
While I understand Mr. Robinsons’ sentiments vis a vis Romney, I am quite sure that several million conservatives said much the same thing of John McCain prior to the election and turned around and voted for him anyway. Some even encouraged others to do so as well.
I seem to recall just that sort of thing happening happening here at FR last fall. I could be mistaken and my memory is not what it used to be, but that is what I seem to recall.
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