Skip to comments.What Really Happened on AirTrans Flight 297?
Posted on 12/03/2009 7:15:46 AM PST by Sequoyah101
This squib appeared on the KHOU website on November 18 but is seems to be only a fraction of the story. Read the comments below the story please.
ATLANTA -- AirTran Airways says a flight from Atlanta to Houston with more than 70 passengers on board was delayed when a passenger refused to end a cell phone call.
... Flight 297, a Boeing 717, was taxiing on the runway in Atlanta Tuesday afternoon when a crew member asked a passenger to turn off his phone.
... after several failed attempts by the crew member to end the conversation, the captain returned the plane to the gate.
... the passenger complied when he was asked to get off the plane. He says no charges were filed, and that the plane departed for Houston 2 ½ hours later.
(Excerpt) Read more at khou.com ...
Can anyone corroborate the story provided in the commentary (which I include here to preserve it)?
If this is true it is serious and deserves to be reported more thoroughly.
"One week ago, I went to Ohio on business and to see my father. On Tuesday, November the 17th, I returned home. If you read the papers the 18th you may have seen a blurb where a AirTran flight was cancelled from Atlanta to Houston due to a man who refused to get off of his cell phone before takeoff. It was on Fox.
The above is NOT the whole story!
I was in 1st class coming home. 11 Muslim men got on the plane in full attire. 2 sat in 1st class and the rest peppered themselves throughout the plane all the way to the back. As the plane taxied to the runway the stewardesses gave the safety spiel we are all so familiar with. At that time, one of the men got on his cell and called one of his companions in the back and proceeded to talk on the phone in Arabic very loudly and very aggressively. This took the 1st stewardess out of the picture for she repeatedly told the man that cell phones were not permitted at the time. He ignored her as if she was not there.
The 2nd man who answered the phone did the same and this took out the 2nd stewardess. In the back of the plane at this time, 2 younger Muslims, one in the back, isle, and one in front of him, window, began to show footage of a porno they had taped the night before, and were very loud about it. The 3rd stewardess informed them that they were not to have electronic devices on at this time. To which one of the men said shut up infidel dog! She went to take the camcorder and he began to scream in her face in Arabic. At that exact moment, all 11 of them got up and started to walk the cabin. This is where I had had enough! I got up and started to the back where I heard a voice behind me from another Texan twice my size say I got your back. I grabbed the man who had been on the phone by the arm and said you WILL go sit down or you Will be thrown from this plane! As I led him around me to take his seat, the fellow Texan grabbed him by the back of his neck and his waist and headed out with him. I then grabbed the 2nd man and said, You WILL do the same! He protested but adrenaline was flowing now and he was going to go. As I escorted him forward the plane doors open and 3 TSA agents and 4 police officers entered. Me and my new Texan friend were told to cease and desist for they had this under control. I was happy to oblige actually. There was some commotion in the back, but within moments, all 11 were escorted off the plane. They then unloaded their luggage.
We talked about the occurrence and were in disbelief that it had happen, when suddenly, the door open again and on walked all 11!! Stone faced, eyes front and robotic (the only way I can describe it). The stewardess from the back had been in tears and when she saw this, she was having NONE of it! Being that I was up front, I heard and saw the whole ordeal. She told the TSA agent there was NO WAY she was staying on the plane with these men. The agent told her they had searched them and were going to go through their luggage with a fine tooth comb and that they were allowed to proceed to Houston. The captain and co-captain came out and told the agent we and our crew will not fly this plane! After a word or two, the entire crew, luggage in tow, left the plane. 5 minutes later, the cabin door opened again and a whole new crew walked on.
Again ..this is where I had had enough!!! I got up and asked What the hell is going on!?!? I was told to take my seat. They were sorry for the delay and I would be home shortly. I said Im getting off this plane. The stewardess sternly told me that she could not allow me to get off. (now Im mad!) I said I am a grown man who bought this ticket, whos time is mine with a family at home and I am going through that door, or Im going through that door with you under my arm!! But I am going through that door!! And I heard a voice behind me say so am I. Then everyone behind us started to get up and say the same. Within 2 minutes, I was walking off that plane where I was met with more agents who asked me to write a statement. I had 5 hours to kill at this point so why the hell not. Due to the amount of people who got off that flight, it was cancelled. I was supposed to be in Houston at 6pm. I got here at 12:30 am.
Look up the date. Flight 297 Atlanta to Houston. Fox did report only the delay caused by cell phone on November 18th.
If this wasnt a dry run, I dont know what one is. They wanted to see how TSA would handle it, how the crew would handle it, and how the passengers would handle it.
Im telling this to you because I want you to know."
Sounds very internetty.
Sounds internetty to me, too. Reminds me of the story from a few years back by Annie Jacobson.
White says that after several failed attempts by the crew member to end the conversation, the captain returned the plane to the gate.
White says the passenger complied when he was asked to get off the plane. He says no charges were filed, and that the plane departed for Houston 2 ½ hours later.
It took 2 ½ hours for a plane to taxi back to a gate, remove a passenger, then takeoff?
Even accounting for having to replace lost fuel due to excessive taxiing, and losing a takeoff slot, 2 ½ hours seems like an awfully long delay for one guy.
Hmmmm....”internetty”....nice new term there, yours? I like it, and I agree.
Sounds like a total crock of shyte. The Muzzies have shown that they know how to adapt and they know that the days of passive hijackings are over. It’s like Ray Liotta said in goodfellas when the cops surrounded his car: “I knew right away it wasn’t the mob. If it was they wouldn’t make a sound and I’d be dead.”
Is this your statement or something you received by e-mail?
Between the joke of airport security and the PC nature of our leadership, I could see this happening. We most likely have not been hit again because the camel jockeys have not tried.
Also sounds very plausible.
If the official story is true I’m flummoxed that no charges were filed when someone caused a plane to return to the gate AND BE DELAYED 2.5 hours. The cell phone caller should be charged the cost of the delay at the least.
You mean, “internutty.” Probably. It almost sounds like a re-hash (with changes) of the real-world occurrence with 9 imams who have since sued (through CARE) the airlines. Don’t know if that is still on-going.
Maybe this article is a hoax?
Security incident aboard AirTran Flight 297 suggests terror Dry Run
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By Doug Hagmann Thursday, December 3, 2009
On November 17, an incident took place aboard AirTran Flight 297 scheduled to fly from Atlanta Hartsfield Airport to Houston that the media does not want to cover and everyone from the airline to the TSA and other government agencies want to keep very quiet. The reasons, I have been told, is fear of predatory lawsuits, negative publicity from accusations of religious profiling, and the obligatory subjugation to mindless mandatory Muslim sensitivity training that make a mockery of our American system of values. Interestingly, one airline official told me we dont want to become another flight 300, which is a reference to a very similar scenario that took place aboard US Airways Flight 300 exactly three years ago.
I was first contacted about this incident two days after it happened by a passenger who was aboard AirTran Flight 297. Based on the allegations made by this passenger, we conducted additional research, interviews and investigation, all of which takes time to insure accuracy, and are now able to release our report of the incident that took place aboard that aircraft. Be prepared to be shocked, angered, and perhaps saddened by our national and corporate acquiescence to mafia-type tactics by Islamists who are engaged in a full frontal assault, and laughing about it.
Unsurprisingly, the facts we developed during the course of our investigation are inconsistent with those being reported in the media, despite the media having the responsibility to report the truth.
a group of thirteen men dressed in traditional Muslim attire were among 73 passengers who boarded AirTran Flight 297 on Tuesday, 17 November 2009, a routine flight scheduled to depart Atlanta Hartsfield Airport, gate C-16 at 4:43 PM ET to Houston Hobby Airport. Reports developed by this investigator found two witnesses who observed direct interaction among all of these Muslim men at the terminal.
As the passengers boarded the aircraft, two of the Muslim men took seats in first class, while the remaining eleven were seated throughout the remaining rows of the aircraft. Most had carrying-on bags that they stowed in the overhead compartments above their seats.
In my text I note that the source of the eye witness account is the comment filed below the article.
Note that this has also appeared in the Dallas Morning News and posted to FP today (it did not show up in my keyword search made before my post)
While this may be going viral so do rumors. I am simply asking if anyone here knows anything.
I don’t know if this is a trustworthy account, but FWIW, this person says they interviewed passengers etc.:
Oops, you beat me!
I have a milder but similar story that I too thought was a test. My wife and I were flying home from Orlando in first class. A young muslim couple got on, also in first class, with two boys, and they sat behind us. I thought this a little odd because you don’t normally see a young family like this paying for 4 first class seats.
Everything went normally up to the plane taxiing on the runway out to the takeoff point. About halfway out, the woman muslim rang the call button and told the flight attendant that one of her boys was running a high fever and she wanted to return to the gate. So we did.
Now I thought it odd that she would take the kid’s temperature at that point in time. If the kid was that sick, why did they get on the plane in the first place?
Anyway, they all got off at which point I called the flight attendant and told him that I wanted off unless they took that family’s luggage off too.
He said,” that’s a good idea”, so we waited while they did that. Apparently that might have been the test part. They wanted to see if the bags got removed.
Now I don’t know what the baggage rules are or if my comment was the motivator for the removal, but I didn’t feel comfortable flying with them on board.
Wow, I would think they would automatically remove baggage for people who get off the plane before takeoff.
I cannot see the plane waiting for the muslims’ search given aggressive passenger behavior which clearly eclipsed the standard of the lawsuit some airline recently lost about praying muslims thrown off.
Read this as well.
I don’t know if this story is true, but it’s amazing how quick many people are to pooh pooh this stuff. How many people see something suspicious but keep their mouths shut because they think they will just be called nutcases?
The equipment for this flight is a Boeing 717. There are at least two floor plans for the B-717: A one-class layout, and a two-class layout. The two class layout shows 8 "high class" seats (two rows) in the forward cabin, followed by a bulkhead, followed by the coach section. Attempting to book a seat on this flight at airtran-dot-com gave me the choice of coach class or business class. So AirTran seems to use the two-class layout. This is consistent with the story.
Arabs, particularly the traditional ones, become very strange in groups. It’s a pack-mentality. I was on a flight outside of US where similar things happened. A few of the group were making outrageous demands / were out of control, and the polite Asian stewardesses were simply out of their depth dealing with those thugs. One of the group was clearly the “alpha male” and the others with him therefore seemed required to follow him. It didn’t get resolved until armed security showed up on the plane.
Yeah, the response here surprises me as well. The story seems to be becoming corroborated. I asked my notifying source where it came from and have not heard back but his contacts spread pretty far and I would not be surprised to know he or someone he knows, knows someone on the flight.
There were 5 crew and 73 - ll = 71 non-arab passengers on the flight who know at least some of what actually happened.
IMO authorities are so prone to seeking prosecution of the right doers (seals, marines, etc.) and we have become so politically correct and so self-conscious about being sued by someone for something that we have become silent. How would you like to have CAIR suing you on behalf of some raghead for some perceived offense. Who knows, someone may have gotten a busted lip?
We have become paralyzed by our new version of freedom, equality, rights and whatever to the point we can’t protect ourselves and the enemy is laughing at us.
I call BS
Thanks for posting the real story.
Whether this incident is true or not is not the point. With the Ft. Hood shootings it is obvious that political correctness and a pre 9-11 mentality by the administration will allow a major terrorist incident to occur in the not too distant future. Maybe then we will wake up to the threat within our own borders.
*ping* - already posted over here
Here is how I feel about these types of stories.... Man up and kick the ever living shit out of any towel head who dares to act up on your flight. Beat him, her and whoever else they are with. If I am on your flight, you can bet that I will assist you if you act before I do.
I'm not saying it happened just so. But I can't find any technical flaws in the tale.
It would be a pleasure to pound on them with you.
I wonder if any of them have anything to say.
Here’s my thread from last night. Interesting comments.
Good! I’ll do it on my own, but I am glad there is another American out there who does not give a crap about how the liberal pc crowd would react.
Don’t tread on me!
Remember the Alamo!
I don't think so. I got an e-mail at my home with the whole story above yesterday and I was told that the person relating the story who was there is actually a freeper in good standing. No, I think it's a probe and our complacence is about to be tested. While the airline industry remains at threat level Orange and the rest of us are supposedly on Yellow, the reality is we've pretty much all sunk back to pre-911 levels of readiness. We're facing a deadly enemy and he learns from the past (unlike us).
Notice the new arrangement of attackers. Before there were 3 to 5 attackers and they tended to congregate closer together. Now they've upped the number to eleven and placed them strategically and tactically throughout the aircraft. They KNOW that it's almost certain we'll fight back. For them, it's okay. They'll just respond in kind. I suspect they (AQ) may be having more difficulty in securing a nuke to use on us and the airplane attack offers the same bang for the buck, especially if you seize more planes with more high density (in terms of population) targets. They could go after huge malls in the height of the holiday shopping season. They could target the bowl games and I have a thousand ideas but I'd rather not give them any more hints. I'm sure they lurk here on FR.
As for calling BS or referring to it as being ummm internetty, I would remind those folks that the 911 plot would also have been labeled such on September 10th 2001.
The curtain is not closed until after takeoff. Sometimes, it isn't closed at all.
Unsurprising. The airlines remember what happened the last time they tried that stuff. CAIR sued the crap outta them and won.
Thank you so much for sharing your thoughts on this matter; years ago I used to read your very interesting postings to TM, and I was very curious what your thoughts about this incident were - as your conclusions were typcial spot-on to my own.
Unfortunately we live in a target rich environment throughout our entire nation, and this already target-rich environment is geometrically multiplied & many times magnified due to the general complacency of the "NON-PARANOID" couch potato public.
It was a setup for another lawsuit and even more...
“they’re always picking on Muslims”...
I think this very well could have happened. As crippled by PC as America is, the airline could have hushed it all up.
I think this very well could have happened. As crippled by PC as America is, the airline could have hushed it all up.
One thing that has me thinking on this. The plane was a relatively small Boeing 717 - a 100 pax DC-9 equivalent, just about a step up from a commuter jet. 11 jihadi for a much smaller jet (and bang).
Second thing, if this was a dry run, the overt attention they received should have tipped off TSA (provided there are some who are competent there) and alertness increased. If I was a jihadi thinking about using the tactic, I’d think twice given the crew and passenger response. I would have expected a more subtle attempt, not one to draw attention the way they did - it just sends flags up all over the place.
Didn't they settle out of court for an undisclosed settlement?
My friend personally spoke with Mr. Hackamack over the phone and by email yesterday and this appears to be legitimate. Mr. Hackamack also mentioned that his friend Mr. Petruna has since lost his job with NASA.
Hackamack, Petruna, NASA?
Where were these mentioned?
It will be interesting to see if anyone else steps forward. Of course, maybe they’re afraid of a lawsuit.