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Revealed: The African queen who called York home in the 4th century
Mail Online ^ | 27th February 2010

Posted on 02/27/2010 4:53:54 PM PST by rdl6989

Startling new forensic research has revealed that multicultural Britain is nothing new after discovering black Africans were living in high society in Roman York.

A study of various remains and artefacts from the 4th century at the Yorkshire Museum shows North Africans were living there thousands of years ago.

The most exciting results came from analysis of the so-called 'Ivory Bangle Lady' whose remains were found in 1901 on the city's Sycamore Terrace.

Her skull was found buried with a range of jewellery including jet and elephant ivory bracelets, earrings, pendants and a glass mirror indicating she was wealthy and was of high social status.

The research used modern forensic ancestry assessment to show it was likely she was of North African descent and may have migrated to York from somewhere warmer.

(Excerpt) Read more at dailymail.co.uk ...


TOPICS: History
KEYWORDS: england; godsgravesglyphs; helixmakemineadouble; humphreybogart; johnhuston; katharinehepburn; theafricanqueen; york

1 posted on 02/27/2010 4:53:54 PM PST by rdl6989
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To: SunkenCiv

Ping.


2 posted on 02/27/2010 4:54:30 PM PST by rdl6989 (January 20, 2013- The end of an error.)
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To: rdl6989

Jesse Jackson is going to say that a black discovered the unpopulated British Isles and was the first human being on the island.


3 posted on 02/27/2010 4:56:55 PM PST by ought-six ( Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule.)
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To: rdl6989

Not surprising, the Roman Empire viewed only one thing “Citizen” or “not Citizen” racial and religious views did not matter, for exampel St. Moritz was African in the area of Switzerland.

What I’d like to know is whether or not her front teeth fell out during her life time or were somehow damaged during discovery?


4 posted on 02/27/2010 5:02:34 PM PST by padre35 (You shall not ignore the laws of God, the Market, the Jungle, and Reciprocity Rm10.10)
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To: rdl6989

5 posted on 02/27/2010 5:02:47 PM PST by Bratch
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To: ought-six
North African does not make her black!
Anymore then geography and wishful thinking makes Hannibal, Cleopatra, or Saint Augustine black.
There had better be some solid forensic anatomical evidence to make the race call.
Even that is not absolutely definitive!
6 posted on 02/27/2010 5:03:27 PM PST by Reily
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To: rdl6989

She looks like a former student of my mother’s who went on to become a Broadway and movie star. She played Daddy Warbucks’ private secretary in the 1990s movie version of Annie. Audra McDonald.


7 posted on 02/27/2010 5:04:39 PM PST by afraidfortherepublic
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To: Bratch

Post of the day winner!


8 posted on 02/27/2010 5:05:11 PM PST by rdl6989 (January 20, 2013- The end of an error.)
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To: Reily

Agreed!


9 posted on 02/27/2010 5:05:48 PM PST by rdl6989 (January 20, 2013- The end of an error.)
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To: afraidfortherepublic

Audra McDonald

10 posted on 02/27/2010 5:10:54 PM PST by afraidfortherepublic
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To: Reily
In the article, it looks like they did the forensic study to make a good call.

Anyway, after the Romans pounded Carthago into submission, the whole of North Africa became the bread basket of the Roman Empire - for hundreds of years. By the end of the Roman Empire, it's no surprise citizens from one side of the empire would be found on an opposite side. Slaves could buy their freedom.

11 posted on 02/27/2010 5:31:37 PM PST by muleskinner ("You know the Germans always make good stuff')
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To: ought-six

And then Jessie with deride Humphrey Bogart for riding the African Queen to her death!


12 posted on 02/27/2010 5:36:45 PM PST by MIchaelTArchangel (Is anyone in the 0bama administration competent at anything?!!?)
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To: rdl6989

She may have been the wife of a provincial governor or military commander. The Romans liked to create units of mixed origin from all over the Empire to reduce the risk of mutiny. The legions encamped around Hadrian’s Wall north of York were well known to contain Africans and it is likely their blood still runs in British veins.


13 posted on 02/27/2010 5:50:28 PM PST by ccmay (Too much Law; not enough Order.)
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To: muleskinner

yes I know my Roman history.

Well looking at the article maybe they did do the call justice. One of things recently coming out of new studies of the ancient world is that people were more mobile then historians had previously thought.

I guess not all UK scientists are as sloppy as the fools at East Anglia.


14 posted on 02/27/2010 6:07:41 PM PST by Reily
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To: rdl6989

Excuse me. First line- black Africans.
Second line- north Africans.
These are not interchangeable.
Black Africans - negroid race.
North Africans- Berbers and admixtures
of many ethnic groups for thousands of years.
Maybe the lady in the story just borrowed the her
mistress’s jewelry to play dress up. So what?


15 posted on 02/27/2010 6:29:44 PM PST by Doulos1 (Bitter Clinger Forever)
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To: Doulos1

One of the more surprising results of genetic studies in Britain is that 16% of present-day Britains white population possess sub-saharn African genes.

The Romans brought black slaves with them. Not surprising, really.


16 posted on 02/27/2010 6:44:07 PM PST by SatinDoll (NO Foreign Nationals as our President!!)
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To: SatinDoll
One of the more surprising results of genetic studies in Britain is that 16% of present-day Britains white population possess sub-saharn African genes.

Do you have any references or links on that statement? Are the genes in question really exclusive to sub-Saharan Africa?

17 posted on 02/27/2010 7:06:36 PM PST by hellbender
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To: hellbender

The book was published a few years ago and dealt in detail with genetic origins specific to Europeans.

I know I have the book somewhere and will Freep Mail you with the title sometime before Monday. Would that be okay?


18 posted on 02/27/2010 7:10:50 PM PST by SatinDoll (NO Foreign Nationals as our President!!)
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To: SatinDoll

That would be fine, thanks. I know there are supposed to be genes all over Europe which originated in the ancient Middle East.


19 posted on 02/27/2010 7:30:31 PM PST by hellbender
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To: SatinDoll

What I find very interesting is that the estimated proportion
of Caucasian genes in U.S. blacks is between 25% to 30%
by some researchers. Yet, so many blacks seem to have such
a dislike for their own white ancestors. This self-loathing
just seems so self defeating to me. This may explain a lot
about Obama and his attitudes.


20 posted on 02/27/2010 7:40:35 PM PST by Doulos1 (Bitter Clinger Forever)
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To: Reily

“North African does not make her black!”

Note what I said: I said Jesse Jackson would CLAIM she was black.


21 posted on 02/28/2010 6:25:43 AM PST by ought-six ( Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule.)
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To: ought-six

If there is a chance for a shakedown for cash, Jesse Jackson would claim the Emperor of Japan was black!


22 posted on 02/28/2010 6:33:17 AM PST by Reily
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To: Reily

“If there is a chance for a shakedown for cash, Jesse Jackson would claim the Emperor of Japan was black!”

You mean he hasn’t done that yet? :)


23 posted on 02/28/2010 6:34:27 AM PST by ought-six ( Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule.)
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To: rdl6989

No big mystery here. Who ruled Britain in the fourth century? The Romans. The roman empire included North Africa ; apparently one official had a wife from there.


24 posted on 02/28/2010 6:48:14 AM PST by denydenydeny ("I'm sure this goes against everything you've been taught, but right and wrong do exist"-Dr House)
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25 posted on 02/28/2010 6:51:57 AM PST by SunkenCiv (Freedom is Priceless.)
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26 posted on 02/28/2010 7:01:11 AM PST by Lonesome in Massachussets (The naked casuistry of the high priests of Warmism would make a Jesuit blush.)
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27 posted on 02/28/2010 7:24:54 AM PST by blam
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To: rdl6989
“black” is such a relative and misused and misapplied term. It is often translated wrongly into English from other languages too

I know Dinka from Southern Sudan who call members of other tribes in Southern Sudan “black” - I know European caucasians who call Romanis “black” who are lighter in skin tone than the Romani..and on it goes.

IN any case if this lady was from North Africa she was not very “black”

28 posted on 02/28/2010 11:25:05 AM PST by eleni121 (For Jesus did not give us a timid spirit , but a spirit of power, of love and of self-discipline)
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To: rdl6989

“The research used modern forensic ancestry assessment to show it was likely she was of North African descent and may have migrated to York from somewhere warmer.”
Hate to stop there “excitement” but North Africans, particularly back there, were not necessarily “black”.

A lot of North Africans were Berbers, Libyans or Egyptians.
The first two were Caucasian, and the majority of Ancient Egyptians were also,

SHEEEESHH!!!!

Political correctness meets Archaeology!!!!


29 posted on 02/28/2010 1:21:43 PM PST by ZULU (Non nobis, non nobis, Domine, sed nomini tuo da gloriam. God, Guts and Guns made America great.)
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The only folk who could be surprised by a find like this are academics and reporters.


30 posted on 02/28/2010 7:39:38 PM PST by Grimmy (equivocation is but the first step along the road to capitulation)
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