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Theodore Roosevelt
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Posted on 03/13/2010 6:52:19 PM PST by molybdenum

Theodore Roosevelt was the 26th President of the United States of America, 1901-1909, leader of the Republican party, and (in 1912-16) the Progressive Party. Roosevelt is best known for his remarkable personality and commitment to democratic process. He was strongly committed to law and order, active leadership, civic duty, and individual self-responsibility, and was more concerned with the process of change than its direction. A strong and vigorous man both personally and in politics, it was through Roosevelt that the world identified America with cowboy values of courage, initiative, and hardiness while it watched TR expand American influence in world affairs. Roosevelt enlarged the presidency because he made it a "bully pulpit" for national uplift and inspiration. He preached as much as he... http://www.conservapedia.com/Theodore_Roosevelt

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He once visited John Muir by climbing one of Yosemite's mountains, where Muir was a hermit, but was not a happy camper. JM was not impressed and had little to say. He preferred trees and animals to people. Sometimes I have that feeling LOL
1 posted on 03/13/2010 6:52:19 PM PST by molybdenum
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To: molybdenum
He preferred trees and animals to people.

Sounds like a "save the earth" and "save the whales" type of liberal to me.

2 posted on 03/13/2010 6:55:55 PM PST by mlocher (USA is a sovereign nation)
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To: molybdenum

The word progressive had a totally different meaning back then. Like the word gay.


3 posted on 03/13/2010 6:57:36 PM PST by Kirkwood
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To: molybdenum

In my son’s Steck Vaughn geography book, the text picked Muir out as the person most typifying “America”.

One of the reasons I began homeschooling.


4 posted on 03/13/2010 6:58:16 PM PST by I still care (I believe in the universality of freedom -George Bush, asked if he regrets going to war.)
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To: mlocher

Not to me. Sounds like someone just fed up with people.


5 posted on 03/13/2010 7:00:12 PM PST by mamelukesabre (Si Vis Pacem Para Bellum (If you want peace prepare for war))
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To: molybdenum

Teddy liked the trees in order to make log cabins and liked animals so he could shoot them. Muir wasn’t into that. LOL.


6 posted on 03/13/2010 7:00:44 PM PST by Kirkwood
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To: Kirkwood

And the word “liberal”.


7 posted on 03/13/2010 7:00:45 PM PST by mamelukesabre (Si Vis Pacem Para Bellum (If you want peace prepare for war))
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To: mlocher
He preferred trees and animals to people.

I prefer dogs. I've never met a human with as nearly decent a character as the lowliest hound. All dogs go to Heaven. Can't say the same about people.

8 posted on 03/13/2010 7:01:58 PM PST by InternetTuffGuy
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To: molybdenum
TR signed into law the ability of the federal government to OWN LAND in the States.. and now the fed OWNS most of the Western United States.. and 3/4 of Alaska..

The federal gov't OWNING ANY LAND is obscene...

9 posted on 03/13/2010 7:10:03 PM PST by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole....)
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To: molybdenum

The Roosevelt family did more to damage this country than the Kennedys could even dream of.


10 posted on 03/13/2010 7:14:31 PM PST by Oshkalaboomboom
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To: Kirkwood

There are areas of disagreements with TR but
the demonization of Theodore Roosevelt by the Man Child on FOX TV has gotten old.

Teddy Roosevelt winner of the Nobel Peace Prize and
awarded Medal of Honor for his Military Service

He lost a son in WWI

His son Teddy Jr. served in both WWI & II
also awarded Medal of Honor. Gen. Roosevelt died shortly after his assault on Utah Beach D day


11 posted on 03/13/2010 7:21:03 PM PST by SoCalPol (Reagan Republican for Palin 2012)
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To: mlocher

He got the National Parks system established, to protect the great wilderness areas and open them for public enjoyment.


12 posted on 03/13/2010 7:28:09 PM PST by molybdenum ((A nation without borders is not a nation......Ronald Reagan.))
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To: Kirkwood

True, he was practical and a great outdoorsman.


13 posted on 03/13/2010 7:29:59 PM PST by molybdenum ((A nation without borders is not a nation......Ronald Reagan.))
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To: hosepipe

I think he overreached, all right. A powerful man with an idea he was the nation’s Father; his biography shows that he realized this later on. But the idea of the feds owning any land? We the People own the land.


14 posted on 03/13/2010 7:34:24 PM PST by molybdenum ((A nation without borders is not a nation......Ronald Reagan.))
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To: hosepipe

But it was US Grant who made the first National Park, at Yellowstone.


15 posted on 03/13/2010 7:34:44 PM PST by Knitting A Conundrum (Without the Constitution, there is no America!)
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To: molybdenum
Teddy gave us one of my favorite quotes of all time:

It is not the critic who counts, nor the man who points out how the strong man stumbled, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena; whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs and comes short again and again; who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, and spends himself in a worthy cause; Who, at the best, knows in the end the triumph of high achievement; and who, at the worst, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who know neither victory nor defeat.”

President Theodore Roosevelt Speech at the Sorbonne April 23, 1910

16 posted on 03/13/2010 7:36:26 PM PST by Bokababe (Save Christian Kosovo! http://www.savekosovo.org)
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To: molybdenum

Yeah, I know. I guess we can debate the merits of federal gov’t getting involved in setting up parks, or allowing this to happen through the private market.


17 posted on 03/13/2010 7:40:35 PM PST by mlocher (USA is a sovereign nation)
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Teddy Roosevelt was no liberal.

Thanks to him we have the National Park System and all the square miles of game and fishing country.

An avid hunter and sportsman himself, he always supported the shooting sports and hunting, going to Africa himself to kill large game animals.

He was a patriot and a Great American.

Read about him in some unbiased sources.


18 posted on 03/13/2010 7:47:15 PM PST by ZULU (Non nobis, non nobis, Domine, sed nomini tuo da gloriam. God, Guts and Guns made America great.)
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To: Kirkwood

Aboslutely


19 posted on 03/13/2010 7:47:34 PM PST by ZULU (Non nobis, non nobis, Domine, sed nomini tuo da gloriam. God, Guts and Guns made America great.)
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To: hosepipe

If it weren’t for the National Park System, most of our joint national heritage in game animals, fishing lands and open spaces would have disappeared long ago.

Don’t blame TR or the concept for current abuses by Statists.


20 posted on 03/13/2010 7:49:44 PM PST by ZULU (Non nobis, non nobis, Domine, sed nomini tuo da gloriam. God, Guts and Guns made America great.)
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To: Oshkalaboomboom

You are out of your mind.

Teddy Roosevelt was NOTHING like FDR, Eleanor Roosevelt OR the Kennedys.


21 posted on 03/13/2010 7:50:41 PM PST by ZULU (Non nobis, non nobis, Domine, sed nomini tuo da gloriam. God, Guts and Guns made America great.)
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To: SoCalPol

Amen


22 posted on 03/13/2010 7:51:07 PM PST by ZULU (Non nobis, non nobis, Domine, sed nomini tuo da gloriam. God, Guts and Guns made America great.)
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To: molybdenum

The problem is WE THE PEOPLE ARE the Government or should be.

Roosevelt campaigned against political corruption, police corruption, unsanitary conditions in the food industry and for things like child labor laws.

People who compare modern day “progressives” with the progressives of TR’s day simply have lost their sense of perspective.

Glenn Beck is a great guy, and right on many issues.
Teddy Roosevelt and preserving lands for public hunting, fishing, hiking, etc., are not two of them.


23 posted on 03/13/2010 7:54:29 PM PST by ZULU (Non nobis, non nobis, Domine, sed nomini tuo da gloriam. God, Guts and Guns made America great.)
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To: ZULU

My Great Great Grandfather was a Republican in politics in New York City at the Time TR was Gov. and admired TR very much.


24 posted on 03/13/2010 7:56:13 PM PST by SoCalPol (Reagan Republican for Palin 2012)
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To: Bokababe

Teddy Roosevelt was a Great American and a man’s man:
boxer, martial artist, zoologist, big game hunter, explorer, writer, scholar, military science expert, historian, linguist,politician, corruption fighter,rough rider, cowboy, lawman - you name it.

EVERYTHING America and Americans have always admired and respected.

We could use a man like Teddy Roosevelt today.


25 posted on 03/13/2010 7:57:24 PM PST by ZULU (Non nobis, non nobis, Domine, sed nomini tuo da gloriam. God, Guts and Guns made America great.)
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To: SoCalPol

TR, Ronald Reagan, Barry Goldwater, Sarah Palin - all Great Americans cast in similar molds.


26 posted on 03/13/2010 7:58:45 PM PST by ZULU (Non nobis, non nobis, Domine, sed nomini tuo da gloriam. God, Guts and Guns made America great.)
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To: SoCalPol

Whereas I like the Man Child, but disagree with him on much of his philosophy, I think that MC is well on his way to that place where all good Big L Libertarians eventually wind up-—Laughingstockville.

But, many people have go thru Laughingstockville first to get to Conservative City. Trashing the church should hasten the departure.

parsy, who spent a few years in Laughingstockville


27 posted on 03/13/2010 8:13:22 PM PST by parsifal (Abatis: Rubbish in front of a fort, to prevent the rubbish outside from molesting the rubbish inside)
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To: I still care

The best move you could make! Good for you.


28 posted on 03/13/2010 8:37:28 PM PST by molybdenum ((A nation without borders is not a nation......Ronald Reagan.))
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To: parsifal

Interesting comments as usual pars


29 posted on 03/13/2010 8:48:44 PM PST by SoCalPol (Reagan Republican for Palin 2012)
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To: molybdenum
Let me think now, first Teddy, then FDR, then Johnson, then Clinton and finally Obama.

Nope, Teddy was no hero. He was the first Progressive Socialist President. Theodore Roosevelt was the exemplar of our current Moderate Republicans, the anathema to today's GOP Conservatives.

30 posted on 03/13/2010 9:02:43 PM PST by higgmeister ( In the Shadow of The Big Chicken!)
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To: higgmeister

I read a double-book biography of this man a few years ago, and just by his background, his life & works, he couldn’t have been the socialist some people think he was. He shouldn’t be put in the same category as FDR (his cousin), Johnson, Kennedys, or Klinton (!!).


31 posted on 03/13/2010 9:06:46 PM PST by molybdenum ((A nation without borders is not a nation......Ronald Reagan.))
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To: higgmeister
Oh, and 0bama! Shame on you!!

TR was worlds away from any of these presidents. And the world of the early 20th century was greatly different than today. He died nearly 100 years ago.

Woodrow Wilson, now, can be called the father of our present disarray.

32 posted on 03/13/2010 9:10:35 PM PST by molybdenum ((A nation without borders is not a nation......Ronald Reagan.))
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He shouldn’t be put in the same category as FDR (his cousin), Johnson, Kennedys, or Klinton (!!).

What part of The U. S. Constitution said that the Federal Government had any authority to attempt to protect citizens from themselves? Teddy was the first one to attempt to remake society in his image and in that sense he was the first to begin slicing the Salami.

33 posted on 03/13/2010 9:32:29 PM PST by higgmeister ( In the Shadow of The Big Chicken!)
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[ But the idea of the feds owning any land? We the People own the land. ]

Not true the federal gov't OWNS MUCH LAND..
You know, instead of the STATES owning their own land..

Even then, if you can be taxed on land you own...
You are merely RENTING it from the gov't..

34 posted on 03/13/2010 9:32:32 PM PST by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole....)
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[ But it was US Grant who made the first National Park, at Yellowstone. ]

National Parks(federal parks) are obscene.. State Parks may not be..

35 posted on 03/13/2010 9:34:41 PM PST by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole....)
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[ If it weren’t for the National Park System, most of our joint national heritage in game animals, fishing lands and open spaces would have disappeared long ago. ]

Not true.. or true in only some places.. where the people of a certain State don't care about natural things.. Would not be true in Alaska..

Its true some States have more stupid people..

36 posted on 03/13/2010 9:38:23 PM PST by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole....)
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To: hosepipe

Technically that’s true. But in the case of national parks, they needed to be cared for and protected; each state could have done this, however. I don’t think he or anyone else could have envisioned how the government would overreach in the future. The State of Nevada is an example of Fed land, almost the entire state.


37 posted on 03/13/2010 9:43:46 PM PST by molybdenum ((A nation without borders is not a nation......Ronald Reagan.))
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To: Kirkwood

Try telling that to Glenn Beck. He thinks he knows history after just discovering the concept of history about 18 months ago.


38 posted on 03/13/2010 9:44:26 PM PST by pissant (THE Conservative party: www.falconparty.com)
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To: molybdenum

Its possible to admire TR as a human being, while complaining about the enormous land-holdings in federal hands.

I would like to see most BLM lands privatized, and most parks and national forests handed back to the states. Aside from specific bases and installations, the feds should not be in the business of owning large swaths of land.

There is very little federal land in Texas, and somehow they manage to find places to hunt there. With almost no federal land, there are still plenty of open spaces. They just happen to be private. You have to talk to the landowner if you want to go in there.


39 posted on 03/13/2010 9:57:47 PM PST by marron
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To: higgmeister

I think he would have been appalled at his cousin FDR in the 30s. I’ll tell you what, the bio is in the library and I’ll go thru it again to see where he did the things you accuse him of. Here’s another excerpt from the article:

Roosevelt enlarged the presidency because he made it a “bully pulpit” for national uplift and inspiration. He preached as much as he politicked. He felt responsible for the well-being and morals of the whole country. He set an example of how a large, strenuous life could be led, and he invited others to renew their energies and apply them to public causes. TR strongly endorsed motherhood and criticized women who had careers while neglecting motherhood [2].

In the contest beteen Conservation and environmentalism, Roosevelt supported the conservation and optimum use of natural resources, and opposed the environmentalists of the day, such as John Muir. (Conservapedia)


40 posted on 03/13/2010 9:58:34 PM PST by molybdenum ((A nation without borders is not a nation......Ronald Reagan.))
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To: molybdenum

Progressive Republicans Theodore Roosevelt and W. H. Taft brought:
Governmental control of corporations and “Trust-busting”
Siding with strikers in the 1902 coal strike
Minimum wage
Mandatory 40 hour work week
Pure, Food and Drug Act
Federal Reserve Act
Government involvement in conservation of Natural Resources, requiring corporate interests to be balanced with nature
16th Amendment - Income Tax - Feb 1913
17th Amendment - Direct Election of Senators - May 1913 [begun before Taft’s term ended]
Recognition of Labor Unions to go on strike and collective bargain

FDR didn’t start American Socialism. He simply put his own spin to something his cousin started.


41 posted on 03/13/2010 10:56:25 PM PST by higgmeister ( In the Shadow of The Big Chicken!)
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To: molybdenum

He wasn’t perfect, but...

“In addition to holding elective office as a New York State Assemblyman, Governor of New York, Vice President, and President, he was also a deputy sheriff in the Dakota Territory, Police Commissioner of New York City, U.S. Civil Service Commissioner, Assistant Secretary of the Navy, and Colonel of the Rough Riders, all by the age of 42, at which time he became the youngest man ever to hold the office of President.”

Pooh on those who deride this great man.


42 posted on 03/14/2010 12:41:21 AM PST by papasmurf (sudo apt-get install U-S-Constitution)
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To: hosepipe

“TR signed into law the ability of the federal government to OWN LAND in the States”

A noble idea gone bad. Even Reagan had a few bloopers.


Theodore Roosevelt is mostly remembered as the twenty-sixth President of the United States, but this astonishingly multifaceted man was a great many other things as well.

In addition to holding elective office as a New York State Assemblyman, Governor of New York, Vice President, and President, he was also a deputy sheriff in the Dakota Territory, Police Commissioner of New York City, U.S. Civil Service Commissioner, Assistant Secretary of the Navy, and Colonel of the Rough Riders *, all by the age of 42, at which time he became the youngest man ever to hold the office of President. (1) (2)

He was one of the original members of the American Institute of Arts and Letters, and he was one of the first fifteen elected to the American Academy of Arts and Letters. He was a founder of the Boone and Crocket Club, the National Collegiate Athletic Association (NCAA), and the Long Island Bird Club.
He also established himself as a historian (he was President of the American Historical Association) and as a naturalist (he was considered the world’s authority on large American mammals and he led two major scientific expeditions for prominent American Museums, one in South America and one in Africa, each lasting many months). Had he not become President, he would be remembered for his contributions in both of these fields.

In between these busy enterprises, he found time to ranch in the West, hunt on several continents, raise a family of six rambunctious children, read a remarkable number of books (often one a day), write more than thirty-five himself, and develop an extraordinary network of friends and contacts, which he maintained mostly by mail, writing well over 150,000 letters.

Theodore Roosevelt Presidential achievements are impressive. In foreign affairs he led us into the arena of international power politics, thrusting aside the American tradition of isolationism, while on the domestic scene, he reversed the traditional federal policy of laissez-faire, and sought to bring order, social justice, and fair dealings to American industry and commerce. In all his policies as Chief Executive, he expanded the powers and responsibilities of the Presidential office, establishing the model of the modern Presidency which has been followed by most of his successors in the White House.

His specific achievements are numerous. Perhaps his greatest contribution was his work for conservation. During his tenure in the White House from 1901 to 1909, he designated 150 National Forests, the first 51 Federal Bird Reservations, 5 National Parks, the first 18 National Monuments, the first 4 National Game Preserves, and the first 21 Reclamation Projects. Altogether, in the seven-and-one-half years he was in office, he provided federal protection for almost 230 million acres, a land area equivalent to that of all the East coast states from Maine to Florida.

Aside from his conservation efforts, he “busted” trusts bringing the large corporations under the control of the people; he began the Panama Canal ( Panama Canal and - more canal photos); he established the Department of Commerce and Labor; he negotiated an end to the Russo-Japanese War and thereby won the Nobel Peace Prize; he preached a “Square Deal” for all Americans, enabling millions to earn a living wage; he built up the Navy as the “Big Stick,” thus establishing America as a major world power; he reduced the National debt by over $90,000,000; and he secured the passage of the Elkins Act and the Hepburn Act for regulation of the railroads, the Meat Inspection Act and the Pure Food and Drug Act for consumer protection, and the Federal Employers’ Liability Act for Labor.

In addition, he successfully mediated international disputes over Venezuela, the Dominican Republic and Morocco. He was the first world leader to submit a dispute to the Court of Arbitration at The Hague, and he was the first head of state to call for convening of what became the Second Hague Peace Conference at which he obtained for Latin American nations equal status with the rest of the world, and won the adoption of the Drago Doctrine, which outlawed the use of force in the collection of foreign debts.

http://www.theodoreroosevelt.org/life/biotr.htm

I wish to God Almighty we had another just like now.


43 posted on 03/14/2010 12:48:40 AM PST by papasmurf (sudo apt-get install U-S-Constitution)
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To: ZULU
Teddy Roosevelt was no liberal

I was referring to Muir, not Roosevelt. I reread my post and my wording was ambiguous -- sorry. I agree that Roosevelt was a patriot with America's best interests at heart. He did, however, sow some of the initial seeds that set the stage for the growth of gov't. For instance, Theodore's Square Deal was used as a stepping stone for Frankin's New Deal.

44 posted on 03/14/2010 5:04:57 AM PDT by mlocher (USA is a sovereign nation)
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To: papasmurf
TR was a progressive then and would be a progressive NOW..
That would make him a RINO... like.. many republicans or all progressive democrats.. which is all of them..
45 posted on 03/14/2010 9:19:52 AM PDT by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole....)
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To: hosepipe

Don’t make the mistake of using the extreme left’s definition of progressive. Conservatives are the true Progressives according to the real definition of the word.

Progress: gradual betterment; especially : the progressive development of humankind

The extreme left version is actually regressive. T. Roosevelt was not a regressive, nor would he be considered one today, by any reasonable stretch of the imagination.

He wasn’t a perfect man. However, even those who many of us Conservatives greatly admire, such as Goldwater, Reagan, Palin, etc., aren’t perfect either.

I say he was a great man, with many great accomplishments to his credit.


46 posted on 03/14/2010 3:41:07 PM PDT by papasmurf (sudo apt-get install U-S-Constitution)
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To: InternetTuffGuy

“I’ve never met a human with as nearly decent a character as the lowliest hound.”

Hounds don’t have character. They’re nothing but dumb brutes.

Dogs act according to instinct, with absolutely no ability to choose between right and wrong.

They can’t even understand the difference.


47 posted on 03/15/2010 4:48:07 PM PDT by reasonisfaith (Hey you noble leftists. You can't be honest about your agenda because you're not confident in it.)
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To: reasonisfaith
Hounds don’t have character. They’re nothing but dumb brutes.

You're wrong of course, but then you're probably some cat loving fag.

48 posted on 03/16/2010 4:19:01 PM PDT by InternetTuffGuy
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To: reasonisfaith

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49 posted on 03/16/2010 4:29:06 PM PDT by InternetTuffGuy
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To: molybdenum; hosepipe
TR was a hyperactive, elitist reformer whose ideas of justice were purely patrician and had little grounding in Constitutional values. He was also a political opportunist of the first order, making him the heir of Burr, not Hamilton or Washington (dunno where to put Jefferson in that mix...).

TR’s 1st term was tempered by the need to follow McKinley's legacy, but once launched as his own president, he vigorously pursued an activist, statist government, checked only by a conservative Republican Congress. As his 2nd term progressed, he became more and more populist, especially with his attacks on the courts and the national system of checks and balances that stood in the way of his radicalization.

As ex-President he became downright pernicious, leading a near socialist/fascist agenda to the strongest 3rd party showing ever. Read the Progressive Party's platform and you will see; more revealing are his speeches which were ungrounded in any political philosophy but his own ego.

The word “great” is accurate for this man - he was larger than any other of his day, yet he did not always put his greatness to great pursuits, and in some cases he downright abused his power of personality for mischievous ends.

50 posted on 03/16/2010 4:44:31 PM PDT by nicollo (you're freakin' out!)
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