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Condemned pit bull returning to death row
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Posted on 05/15/2010 9:34:01 PM PDT by Chet 99

(05-14) 16:08 PDT RENO -- The condemned pit bull that was sprung from the Alameda animal shelter, allegedly by its owners, has been found in Reno and will be euthanized next week, authorities said Friday.

Max, a 3-year-old, 70-pound red nose pit bull, was located at a Reno motel Thursday night and was taken to a local shelter. An Alameda animal control officer will drive to Reno on Monday to retrieve Max, after which the dog will be destroyed, said Alameda police Sgt. Jill Ottaviato.

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An Alameda County Superior Court commissioner ordered Max destroyed Tuesday. The dog was labeled dangerous because he bit a veterinary technician in Oakland and a friend of Cochran and Perry at the couple's home at the Alameda Islander Motel.

Alameda animal-control officials were ready to euthanize Max shortly after Commissioner Thomas Rasch issued his ruling Tuesday. Rasch, however, agreed to allow Cochran and Perry to say their goodbyes at 11 a.m. Wednesday.

But after the hearing, police believe, Cochran bought a set of bolt cutters, setting into motion a plan he had allegedly hatched with Perry to break into the shelter on Fortmann Way and steal Max. The pit bull vanished from his locked kennel sometime between 4:30 a.m. and 7:30 a.m. Wednesday.

The couple's Ford F-150 pickup truck was seen on surveillance video taken outside the animal shelter the morning of the break-in, said Deputy District Attorney Mark McCannon of Alameda County.

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1 posted on 05/15/2010 9:34:01 PM PDT by Chet 99
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To: Chet 99

I know this is crazy, but part of me thinks he bit the vet because he’s a dog.


2 posted on 05/15/2010 9:37:06 PM PDT by Beowulf9
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To: Beowulf9

The vet, perhaps. But there was also the friend. And a couple who lives in motels (Alameda and Reno) ought not keep a pitbull.


3 posted on 05/15/2010 9:40:48 PM PDT by caseinpoint (Don't get thickly involved in thin things)
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Bu-Bye. One less set of mechanized diabolical choppers on the street to harm or kill another person or another dog.


4 posted on 05/15/2010 9:42:21 PM PDT by NoRedTape
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To: caseinpoint
"And a couple who lives in motels (Alameda and Reno) ought not keep a pitbull."

............ahhhhh Yeah! (actually no one with any brains should keep a Pitbull).

5 posted on 05/15/2010 9:44:09 PM PDT by NoRedTape
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To: Chet 99

GOOD!!!,,,

Cap the owner too!!!...


6 posted on 05/15/2010 9:53:05 PM PDT by 1COUNTER-MORTER-68 (THROWING ANOTHER BULLET-RIDDLED TV IN THE PILE OUT BACK~~~~~)
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To: caseinpoint

You know after I posted that I thought, oh, that sounds like I’m being sarcastic. Actually, I was not. I meant to say I was considering that an animal in a human world is apt to behave any way an animal might. Some dogs bite. Just the way it is. They are not able to understand right from wrong, as we in our world do.

I do understand the animal should prob be destroyed but I feel sorry for him. Kind of like King Kong brought into a world where all he could do was act like what he was, an animal. His natural aggressive nature led him to his death.


7 posted on 05/15/2010 9:53:20 PM PDT by Beowulf9
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To: Beowulf9

I have a pit bull mix either with a Dalmatian or a pointer. She is very sweet but can be a handful ( Think of Marly)!


8 posted on 05/15/2010 10:11:47 PM PDT by Empireoftheatom48 (Zero will never be my President, never!!!!!)
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To: Beowulf9

Feel sorry for the maimed and disfigured person whose life is never the same after such a vicious beast designed and bred to maul human flesh has torn at their limbs, and neck, and face. Feel sorry for the beautiful children whose smiles and lives are destroyed and the adults who have to under go surgery after surgery. Don’t feel sorry for the irrational creature that is quietly gassed and goes to sleep. Yes animals are animals and people are people. There is is wide chasm between the two.


9 posted on 05/15/2010 10:14:08 PM PDT by Toad of Toad Hall
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To: Chet 99

btt


10 posted on 05/15/2010 11:00:31 PM PDT by Cacique (quos Deus vult perdere, prius dementat ( Islamia Delenda Est ))
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To: Empireoftheatom48; Salamander; LongElegantLegs

You should be killed according to one poster here.

is there any worthy reply to such idiocy?

kiss my ass or go to hell just falls short you know?


11 posted on 05/15/2010 11:06:13 PM PDT by wardaddy (never been particularly pious but I stand with Franklin Graham...bigtime...you betcha...ya'll)
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To: Toad of Toad Hall

I do feel sorry for them. I feel sorry for both.


12 posted on 05/15/2010 11:22:50 PM PDT by Beowulf9
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To: Beowulf9
"...Some dogs bite. Just the way it is. They are not able to understand right from wrong, as we in our world do...His natural aggressive nature led him to his death..."

These dogs need some kind of test. If they can be shown to behave among their own "doggy" companions, they can probably be trusted among their human companions.

13 posted on 05/16/2010 12:50:00 AM PDT by Does so (ObamaCare...I pay for medical-marijuana claims by millions of Americans? 'Guess I do now.)
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To: Beowulf9
I know this is crazy, but part of me thinks he bit the vet because he’s a dog.

I've been following this story. The dog has a history of bites. With a pit bull you cannot take a chance. The dog must be killed.

14 posted on 05/16/2010 1:42:20 AM PDT by gunsequalfreedom
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To: Beowulf9
I do understand the animal should prob be destroyed but I feel sorry for him.

Instead of feeling sorry for the dog, save those warm fuzzy thoughts for a child out there somewhere that will not have his face ripped off by this dog.

15 posted on 05/16/2010 1:44:30 AM PDT by gunsequalfreedom
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To: gunsequalfreedom

Since you’ve been following this story, I was wondering about the owners of the dog. The lifestyle, intelligence, and choice of dog seems to me to be that of a drug dealer. Was there ever any type of information that this was the cse?


16 posted on 05/16/2010 5:43:02 AM PDT by chae (I am karmic retribution)
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To: wardaddy

Swiper laughs in the face of mewling, meddling obtruders.

17 posted on 05/16/2010 6:12:51 AM PDT by LongElegantLegs ( I have nothing better to do than sit around all night watching a lunatic not turn into a werewolf.)
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To: gunsequalfreedom

Evidently there are some who cannot experience both feelings. I can.


18 posted on 05/16/2010 6:37:17 AM PDT by Beowulf9
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To: LongElegantLegs; wardaddy

“These dogs need some kind of test. If they can be shown to behave among their own “doggy” companions, they can probably be trusted among their human companions.”

This is one of the most ridiculous propositions I’ve ever read.

With the exceptions of breeds ~created~ to hunt “peacefully” in packs, [i.e. most hounds and some bird dog breeds] *all* breeds can be “dog aggressive”.

Two un-neutered males will *probably* fight.
Two unspayed bitches will *probably* fight.

Even neutering them will *probably* -not- change that inherent instinct.

Regardless of breed, “the wolves in your living room” -will- establish some kind of “pack hierarchy” whether it be through bloody fights or mere [but effectively impressive] posturing.

To say that we should only be able to “trust them with people” based on their behavior with other dogs is madness.

I would propose that a much more logical test should be for prospective -owners-.

*They* should have to pass a test based on whether or not they fully understand dog body/vocal language and how a dog’s mind is hard-wired to work.

*Most* people would fail that test.


19 posted on 05/16/2010 9:10:08 AM PDT by Salamander (You don't know what's going on inside of me. You don't wanna know what's running through my mind.)
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To: Beowulf9
Well, that is certainly to your credit. In the instance of this dog, I was trying to put your mind at ease that the dog has been showing vicious tendencies and it is only a matter of time before a serious mauling of someone.

In this case, feel sorry that the dog turned out to be evil, not that the dog will be killed.

20 posted on 05/16/2010 9:36:28 AM PDT by gunsequalfreedom
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To: chae

The woman is the primary caregiver of the dog because her husband/partner is a truck driver and spends a lot of time on the road.

She said the dog is “temperamental at times” and became protective when someone pets him and touches another person at the same time.”

Apparantly she provided good care for the dog, taking it to the vet to have a bad tooth extracted. She said the dog was “grumpy” because he had had that done recently.

Read more: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2010/05/13/BAAR1DDJGA.DTL#ixzz0o720A9Qy

Truck driver couple. Lived at a motel.


21 posted on 05/16/2010 9:59:24 AM PDT by gunsequalfreedom
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To: gunsequalfreedom

‘In this case, feel sorry that the dog turned out to be evil,”

You are anthropomorphizing.

There is NO such thing as an “evil dog”.

“Evil” requires that a being be spiritually sentient enough to know “good” from “evil” and is also capable of making a moral choice.

You may as well put forth the judgment that the dog “sinned”.

Only humans are capable of “sin” and “evil” because only humans possess the ability to distinguish between the two and -choose- one or the other.

The dog was being a dog.


22 posted on 05/16/2010 10:52:58 AM PDT by Salamander (You don't know what's going on inside of me. You don't wanna know what's running through my mind.)
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To: Salamander; LongElegantLegs; wardaddy; All
Pop quiz: Which of these dogs ~is~ going to bite?

Number 1:

Or number 2:

Since everybody's got a 50/50 chance of simply guessing correctly, also include *why* you chose which dog.

23 posted on 05/16/2010 11:08:57 AM PDT by Salamander (You don't know what's going on inside of me. You don't wanna know what's running through my mind.)
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To: Salamander

Nah, its a pit bull. Its evil.


24 posted on 05/16/2010 11:19:32 AM PDT by gunsequalfreedom
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To: Salamander

Interesting! I’m going to guess it’s the dog on top, because his ears are up. Ears up indicate confidence, right? A dog with his ears down is trying to make himself smaller.


25 posted on 05/16/2010 11:24:11 AM PDT by LongElegantLegs ( I have nothing better to do than sit around all night watching a lunatic not turn into a werewolf.)
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To: LongElegantLegs

Your score will sent via FReepmail....:)


26 posted on 05/16/2010 11:28:06 AM PDT by Salamander (You don't know what's going on inside of me. You don't wanna know what's running through my mind.)
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To: gunsequalfreedom

My nephew was out playing in his front yard with his 2 1/2 year old daughter. Neighbors let the pitbull out their front door, who prompt runs over and attacks her. Luckily, he bit her on the leg and missed the main artery. She is doing okay after lengthy surgery. Don’t tell me it wasn’t the owners fault.


27 posted on 05/16/2010 11:29:54 AM PDT by KYGrandma (The sun shines bright on my old Kentucky home......)
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To: gunsequalfreedom

So much for those pointlessly cast pearls....


28 posted on 05/16/2010 11:37:35 AM PDT by Salamander (You don't know what's going on inside of me. You don't wanna know what's running through my mind.)
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To: Salamander

Hey, who are you calling a swine!?

I read your post. Don’t agree with it. Likely we are using different definitions of evil.


29 posted on 05/16/2010 11:46:58 AM PDT by gunsequalfreedom
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To: KYGrandma
Don’t tell me it wasn’t the owners fault.

Owners fault and dogs nature. Pit bull no more suited for a neighborhood than a moutain lion, tiger or other wild, unpredicatable, hard to control dangerous animal.

Owner is at fault for owning it.

I hope you sued the heck out of the owner of the pit bull that did that your little girl.

30 posted on 05/16/2010 11:50:33 AM PDT by gunsequalfreedom
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To: gunsequalfreedom

It was my nephew’s daughter. It happed yesterday, and yes, they have found an attorney.


31 posted on 05/16/2010 11:57:28 AM PDT by KYGrandma (The sun shines bright on my old Kentucky home......)
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To: KYGrandma

Very sorry to hear about this. Should have said that right away. I hope she will be alright.

And I hope her attorney has been instructed to make the settlement hurt!!!


32 posted on 05/16/2010 12:01:24 PM PDT by gunsequalfreedom
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To: Salamander

The question should be, what dog is not only going to bit, but continue to bite with vice like grip, refusing to release even while being hit over the head with a shovel repeatedly. That of course is a pit bull, not a german sheppard.


33 posted on 05/16/2010 12:03:23 PM PDT by gunsequalfreedom
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To: gunsequalfreedom

German Shepherds are quite capable of that and have a *much* higher bite strength than a pit bull, although not as high as that of a Dobermann.

Schutzhund dogs are trained to *not* let go even if you club, whip or shoot them.

Are they all “evil”...or has ~human intervention~ contributed in some way?


34 posted on 05/16/2010 12:50:32 PM PDT by Salamander (You don't know what's going on inside of me. You don't wanna know what's running through my mind.)
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To: gunsequalfreedom

Considering we’re discussing wholesale “breed bans”, your proclaimed credo “Your rights end when you give up your ability to protect them.” is ironic, at best.

Guns kill far more people than pit bulls, every day.

You *are* aware that gun bans and breed bans have a strong commonality, aren’t you?

It’s CONTROL of the freedom to own what you have a right to.

Just as the majority of guns never kill anyone, neither do the majority of pit bulls.

Care to reconcile that ideological conundrum?

You either fight nanny-statism in *every* form or you become complicit in it.


35 posted on 05/16/2010 12:57:12 PM PDT by Salamander (You don't know what's going on inside of me. You don't wanna know what's running through my mind.)
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To: Salamander

I do not like my chances! Both are, in my thinking!


36 posted on 05/16/2010 1:03:43 PM PDT by rawhide
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To: rawhide

LOL!

Actually, you could be right with either choice but for very different reasons and very specific odds.

One is a “definite” and the other *could* be a “maybe...maybe not” situation.

How you *react* to either dog determines whether you get perforated...or not.

Thanks for at least honestly participating.

I do appreciate it...:)


37 posted on 05/16/2010 1:13:07 PM PDT by Salamander (You don't know what's going on inside of me. You don't wanna know what's running through my mind.)
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To: gunsequalfreedom

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hc5P8n3LRak

Third or fourth one, the dog actually attacks the handler who is trying to pull him off the criminal.


38 posted on 05/16/2010 1:27:44 PM PDT by LongElegantLegs ( I have nothing better to do than sit around all night watching a lunatic not turn into a werewolf.)
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To: Salamander
Considering we’re discussing wholesale “breed bans”, your proclaimed credo

No, I am talking only about pit bulls.

Guns kill far more people than pit bulls, every day.

That logic has been proved here many times to be fallacious. Guns do not jump out of their holster all on their own and go maul somebody - or even shoot them. It is not a valid analogy and it is silly to suggest it.

You *are* aware that gun bans and breed bans have a strong commonality, aren’t you??

In the context of this discussion, there is no commonality whatsoever.

And what is with the * * thingys you are inserting into your post??? Are you typing in texting symbols? Actually will appreciate an answer on this.

You are also reaching when you try to say the State should not have any say in the control of wild beast in residential neighborhoods. To use a correct analogy, do you advocate allowing people to keep a tiger in their home?

39 posted on 05/16/2010 5:49:51 PM PDT by gunsequalfreedom
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To: Salamander
Are they all “evil”...or has ~human intervention~ contributed in some way?

Yes, all pit bulls are evil. Human intervention will bring it out. But even without human encouragement, the evil will come out of a pit bull all on its own. They are evil I tell you! Evil! Even the cute loving ones owned by great people that treat them properly.

40 posted on 05/16/2010 5:55:37 PM PDT by gunsequalfreedom
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To: gunsequalfreedom; Salamander

41 posted on 05/16/2010 6:08:56 PM PDT by LongElegantLegs ( I have nothing better to do than sit around all night watching a lunatic not turn into a werewolf.)
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To: LongElegantLegs

42 posted on 05/16/2010 7:06:03 PM PDT by gunsequalfreedom
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To: gunsequalfreedom

No dog is a “wild beast”.

The domestic dog was originally classified as Canis familiaris and Canis familiarus domesticus by Carolus Linnaeus in 1758,[18][19] and was reclassified in 1993 as Canis lupus familiaris, a subspecies of the gray wolf Canis lupus, by the Smithsonian Institution and the American Society of Mammalogists.

Nice straw man.

/s

The “*” that perplexes you are used to emphasize a word or point.

They’re used quite commonly, here.

I do not “text”.

The overweening problem is that valid, -serious- words loose their power, often becoming effectively emasculated by their overuse.

“Evil”, is, by definition, things/actions/thoughts that are intentionally and biblically sinful.

Casually throwing it in around in an inappropriate or ‘joking’ context strips of its original power and import.

The liberals know this and have effectively diluted the original “black and white” view of good and bad, turning everything they can into myriad shades of gray, instead.

By saying that a DOG is “evil”, you are joining hands with the moral equivocators of the world.

True “evil” is found in pedophiles, poisoners, rapists and frequently, murderers, .

All of them intentionally formulate their plan, prey upon the trust/innocence/ignorance/gullibility of their victims, with malice aforethought.

-That- is evil.

[the Bible can provide you with an exhaustive list of other things that are evil]

In the KJV version of the bible, we read “Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live”.

That was purposefully mistranslated for King James’ benefit, owing to his ‘witch phobia’.

The original text said “Thou shalt not suffer a -poisoner- to live” yet we have so-called “Christians” on this very forum who cheerfully brag about poisoning the neighbor’s dog.

“That logic has been proved here many times to be fallacious. Guns do not jump out of their holster all on their own and go maul somebody - or even shoot them. It is not a valid analogy and it is silly to suggest it.”

Every year, the accidental discharge of firearms kill more people than pit bulls do.

They may not have “jumped out of their holster” but they did ‘kill someone’ without malice aforethought.

Whether they “meant to” or not, the person is just as dead and the nanny-staters use that “silliness” to enforce wholesale bans, same as the “silliness” of total breed bans.

There is no difference between their desire to ban “certain types” of guns and “certain types” of dogs.

The line between ‘good guns/bad guns’ grows ever thinner, just as with dog breeds.

It may not be a perfect physical ‘analogy’ match but it is a very close political/ideological one.

If you cannot see the obvious, albeit pernicious connection, you are playing right into their hands.

You must stand for ALL personal freedoms and rights or you stand for none.

Simple as that.

Rather than ask why someone “can’t have a pet tiger”, you should ask why some people can’t own an automatic weapon.

The answer is obvious; because the people who -hated- other people’s “certain types” of things but loved their *own* “certain type” of the exact same thing did -nothing-, not understanding that, in the end, it’s all a progressive, slow moving Juggernaut that intends to eventually *all* forms of that “thing”, be it guns, dogs, knives, vehicles...*whatever*.


43 posted on 05/16/2010 7:41:46 PM PDT by Salamander (You don't know what's going on inside of me. You don't wanna know what's running through my mind.)
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To: LongElegantLegs

44 posted on 05/16/2010 7:43:02 PM PDT by gunsequalfreedom
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To: LongElegantLegs

45 posted on 05/16/2010 7:43:56 PM PDT by gunsequalfreedom
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To: wardaddy
You should be killed according to one poster here.

Me too!

46 posted on 05/16/2010 7:44:51 PM PDT by Eaker (Pablo is very wily)
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To: gunsequalfreedom

Are Rotts evil?
Dobermanns?
German Shepherds?

If not, why not?


47 posted on 05/16/2010 7:48:49 PM PDT by Salamander (You don't know what's going on inside of me. You don't wanna know what's running through my mind.)
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To: LongElegantLegs; shibumi; Markos33; humblegunner; Eaker; Slings and Arrows

“Malinois ripped my flesh” ping.


48 posted on 05/16/2010 7:52:48 PM PDT by Salamander (You don't know what's going on inside of me. You don't wanna know what's running through my mind.)
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To: Salamander
The “*” that perplexes you are used to emphasize a word or point. They’re used quite commonly, here.

Well, if we are all going to start posting in emoticons, I suppose we ought to post the FR emoticon reference directory...

:) or :-) Happy This was a joke.
;) or ;-) Happily winking I'm pulling your leg.
:P or :-P Sticking out tongue "Nyahh" or "Bleh".
:D or :-D Open-mouthed grin I'm delighted!
:( or :-( Unhappy I'm sad about this.
:~( Crying I'm VERY sad about this.
:-| Unemotional I'm less than thrilled.
>:-( Very unhappy I'm upset!
8-) Wide-eyed happiness This surprised me.
:-O Shouting I'm yelling, and likely upset!
8-O Wide-eyed shouting I'm even more upset!
>8-O Mad wide-eyed shouting Now I'm really angry!
|-| Asleep Zzzzzz...
==|:-) Silly I'm Abraham Lincoln (top hat).

Sorry, call me old school...and still in favor of a ban on all pit bulls in residential neighborhoods.

49 posted on 05/16/2010 8:05:57 PM PDT by gunsequalfreedom
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To: Salamander
You must stand for ALL personal freedoms and rights or you stand for none.

Your rights end at the tip of my nose. As for religious beliefs, I believe God created the world with good and evil in man along with giving man the abilty to choose between them.

In the wild kingdom, I believe He created the same good and evil, but of couse he did not include reason and choice. I wish He had left out a few things (snakes, tigers, pit bulls and especially the scorpions that have wandered into our house this month) but it was His hand that painted the world and not mine.

50 posted on 05/16/2010 8:16:44 PM PDT by gunsequalfreedom
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