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PERSHING WOULD LET BRITAIN HAVE 50 OLD U. S. DESTROYERS TO GUARD OUR OWN LIBERTY (8/5/40)
Microfiche-New York Times archives, Monterey Public Library | 8/5/40 | John H. Crider, James MacDonald, Hallett Abend, Hugh Byas, Percival Knauth, Hanson W. Baldwin

Posted on 08/05/2010 4:27:58 AM PDT by Homer_J_Simpson

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TOPICS: History
KEYWORDS: catholic; milhist; piusxii; realtime; worldwarii
Free Republic University, Department of History presents World War II Plus 70 Years: Seminar and Discussion Forum
First session: September 1, 2009. Last date to add: September 2, 2015.
Reading assignment: New York Times articles delivered daily to students on the 70th anniversary of original publication date. (Previously posted articles can be found by searching on keyword “realtime” Or view Homer’s posting history .)
To add this class to or drop it from your schedule notify Admissions and Records (Attn: Homer_J_Simpson) by freepmail. Those on the Realtime +/- 70 Years ping list are automatically enrolled. Course description, prerequisites and tuition information is available at the bottom of Homer’s profile.
1 posted on 08/05/2010 4:28:01 AM PDT by Homer_J_Simpson
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Thomas E. Griess, Series Editor, The Second World War: Europe and the Mediterranean

2 posted on 08/05/2010 4:30:44 AM PDT by Homer_J_Simpson ("Every nation has the government that it deserves." - Joseph de Maistre (1753-1821))
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Winston S. Churchill, Their Finest Hour

3 posted on 08/05/2010 4:32:25 AM PDT by Homer_J_Simpson ("Every nation has the government that it deserves." - Joseph de Maistre (1753-1821))
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To: r9etb; PzLdr; dfwgator; Paisan; From many - one.; rockinqsranch; GRRRRR; 2banana; henkster; ...
‘Our Duty’ to Help – 2-3
British See Paris Fooled Into Giving Nazi Salute – 3
The International Situation – 3
Raids Widespread – 4
Canadians Guarded from 2 Submarines – 4
Indo-China Falling under Tokyo Rule; Indies Plans Near – 5
English Woman Shocked By the Waste in Canada – 5
Loss of Submarine Called Italy’s 15th – 6
British Plane Here on Regular Flight – 7
Hinsley Explains War Aims to U.S. – 7-8
Pope’s Plea For Rome Irks Italian Editor – 8
Franciscans Hold Dominican Mass – 8
N.A.M. Asks Speed on Defense Credit – 8
Beer Faces Doom as the German Drink; Nazis Look for Non-Alcoholic Substitute – 9
New Plane Ready Through U.S. Aid – 9
The Time Element – 11
Texts of Day’s War Communiques – 12
4 posted on 08/05/2010 4:33:52 AM PDT by Homer_J_Simpson ("Every nation has the government that it deserves." - Joseph de Maistre (1753-1821))
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To: Homer_J_Simpson

Interesting post. Thanks for posting this.

Notice the “Paris Fooled Into Giving Nazi Salute” article.


5 posted on 08/05/2010 4:34:57 AM PDT by samtheman
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To: Tainan

Forgot about the Indochina article.

http://www.onwar.com/chrono/1940/aug40/f05aug40.htm

Italians advance on Berbera

Monday, August 5, 1940 www.onwar.com

In East Africa... Zeila in the north of British Somaliland and Hargeisa on the main road to Berbera are both taken by the Italians.

In Berlin... The first operational plans for the German invasion of the Soviet Union are presented to General Halder, the Chief of Staff at OKH, by one of his officers, General Marcks. They envisage a two-pronged attack with the major effort being directed toward Moscow and a minor advance being made toward Kiev. Work continues on the plans at both OKH and OKW.

In the English Channel... There are German attacks on shipping.


6 posted on 08/05/2010 4:44:08 AM PDT by Homer_J_Simpson ("Every nation has the government that it deserves." - Joseph de Maistre (1753-1821))
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http://homepage.ntlworld.com/andrew.etherington/month/thismonth/05.htm

August 5th, 1940

UNITED KINGDOM: RAF Bomber Command: 4 Group (Whitley). Bombing - oil plant at Sterkrade and Dornier aircraft factory at Wismar.
10 Sqn. Seven aircraft to Wismar. Six bombed primary. Two damaged by Flak.
51 Sqn. Eight aircraft to Wismar. Six bombed primary, one damaged by Flak and force landed at Spurn Point (East Yorkshire) on return.
102 Sqn. Six aircraft to Sterkrade. Four bombed primary, one bombed an alternative target.

RAF Fighter Command: Weather, fine. Luftwaffe attacks shipping in the Straits of Dover.
Losses: Luftwaffe, 6; RAF 2.

Six Spitfires of 64 Sqn. fought with Bf109s of JG 54, two Spitfires are shot down and one Bf109 crashes in France. Later Ju88s seeking Channel shipping are attacked off Dover by 151 Sqn. who claim another 109.

London: Britain today responded to the recent arrests of seven British subjects in Tokyo by detaining leading Japanese businessmen in London, Rangoon, Hong Kong and Singapore.
Japan has protested at the arrests and the British ambassador, Sir Robert Craigie, has been summoned by Mr. Matsuoka, the Japanese Foreign Minister, who described the arrests as “unwarrantable”. Among the detainees is the manager of the London branch of Mitsubishi Trading. Seven officials of the Salvation Army in Japan have been arrested on espionage charges.

Sloop HMS Erne launched.

Minesweeping trawler HMS River Clyde mined and sunk off Aldeburgh, Suffolk.

At 2138, U-56 fired a spread of two torpedoes at Convoy OB-193 NW of Malin Head and observed that one missed and the other detonated at the end of the run after 7 minutes 25 seconds. However, the Boma was hit in this attack and sank the next day. Three crewmembers were lost.
The master, 47 crewmembers and two gunners were picked up by the Norwegian tanker Vilja, transferred to destroyer HMS Viscount and landed at Liverpool. (Dave Shirlaw)

GERMANY: Bad weather conditions force the postponement of the air offensive against Britain.

U-208, U-760 laid down. (Dave Shirlaw)

General Halder receives the first operations plans for the German invasion of the Soviet Union, by General Marcks.

BRITISH SOMALILAND: The Somali town of Hargeisa fell to the Italian army this afternoon, assaulted by infantry and tanks after a three-hour bombardment. It was defended by two battalions of Indian and East African troops plus some of the Somali Camel Corps - most of whom got away.
Any serious defence of Somaliland lost all chance of success when the pro-Allied governor of neighbouring French Somaliland, General Legentilhomme resigned today and was replaced by General Germain, who is under heavy Vichy pressure to obey the terms of the Franco-Italian armistice.
Elsewhere, on the borders of Ethiopia, Italy’s 300,000 man army seems reluctant to act aggressively, content with the symbolic occupation of a few border towns, such as Moyale in Kenya and Kassala in the Sudan, and in harassing the British in northern Kenya with some remarkably effective guerrilla columns. It is so short of petrol that it can do nothing else.

CANADA: Camillien Houde, the isolationist mayor of Montreal, is detained under the Defence of Canada Regulations, for making an anti-conscription speech on the 2nd August. He is ‘invited’ to correct his remarks, refuses, and will be detained until mid-1944. (Dave Hornford)

Armed yacht HMCS Wolf commissioned.
Corvettes HMCS Lethbridge and Sherbrooke laid down Montreal. (Dave Shirlaw)

U.S.A.: In Washington, D.C., Lord Lothian, the British Ambassador to the U.S., provides President Franklin D. Roosevelt with a note concerning the facilities which the British were prepared to “extend to the United States Government...” This will be part of the “destroyers-for-bases” agreement between the U.K. and U.S. that will be announced in September. (Jack McKillop)

In the U.S., Rear Admiral John W. Greenslade, USN, and French Vice Admiral Georges A.M.J. Robert conclude an agreement concerning the status of Vichy French warships and aircraft in the French West Indies. Ships in question are the aircraft carrier Bearn, light cruiser Emile Bertin, training
cruiser Jeanne d’Arc and auxiliary cruisers Esterelle, Quercy, and Barfleur; aircraft are 44 Curtiss SBC-4 Helldivers, 15 Curtiss H75-A4 Hawks (export version of USAAC P-36) and 6 Brewster Model B-339 fighters (export version of USN F2A Buffalo) delivered to Belgium. The basic agreement is that the French ships and aircraft will remain in Martinique throughout the war. (Jack McKillop)


7 posted on 08/05/2010 4:46:29 AM PDT by Homer_J_Simpson ("Every nation has the government that it deserves." - Joseph de Maistre (1753-1821))
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http://worldwar2daybyday.blogspot.com/

Day 340 August 5, 1940

Battle of Britain Day 27. Despite fine weather, it is another quiet day. Large Luftwaffe formations patrol the Dover Straits and attack convoys off the East and Southeast coast of England. RAF fighters go up to intercept (4 Messerschmitt Bf109s and 1 Spitfire are shot down). Several other raids approach the coast and convoys but turn back before engaging. There is little activity overnight, with some minelaying. The number of serviceable British fighters has increased by 55 in the last 2 days.

British Somaliland. Italians take the port of Zeila on the coast near the border with French Somaliland, effectively isolating the British colonial forces and advance on Berbera from the West. The main Italian force, going across the mountains towards Berbera, is held up at Hargeisa. Italian light tanks push back Somaliland Camel Corps and other unarmoured British units.

At 9.38 PM 20 miles North of Ireland, U-56 hits British steamer Boma carrying 10,000 tons of coal from Cardiff (3 crew lost). 48 crew and 2 gunners are picked up by Norwegian tanker Vilja, transferred to destroyer HMS and landed at Liverpool. Boma sinks next day. http://www.uboat.net/allies/merchants/ships/453.html

British steamer Cape St. George hits the wreck of steamer Rad (sunk by German submarine UA on August 3) and sinks. All 65 crew are rescued by British steamer Grodno (which already has the Rad’s crew on board) and landed at Freetown, Sierra Leone. British minesweeping trawler HMT River Clyde hits a mine and sinks off Aldeburgh, Suffolk, on the English East coast (12 crew killed, captain J. Grant wounded).

Securing Soviet grip on the Baltic States, Latvian Soviet Socialist Republic is incorporated into the Soviet Union.


8 posted on 08/05/2010 4:48:19 AM PDT by Homer_J_Simpson ("Every nation has the government that it deserves." - Joseph de Maistre (1753-1821))
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Oooh, there was a “Foyle’s War” episode about this, too!


9 posted on 08/05/2010 5:01:03 AM PDT by Tax-chick (Steampunk Baby and the Quest for Bill's iPod - now on DVD!)
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Holy crap...The Nazis were against beer !!

That's reason enough to fight them !!

10 posted on 08/05/2010 6:28:59 AM PDT by mick (Central Banker Capitalism is NOT Free Enterprise)
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To: Homer_J_Simpson
Battle of Britain Campaign Diary

Date: 5 August 1940


11 posted on 08/05/2010 6:38:52 AM PDT by CougarGA7
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12 posted on 08/05/2010 6:43:06 AM PDT by CougarGA7
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To: mick

Heh, trying to get the Germans to drink fizzy-water. I’ll bet that worked out really well.


13 posted on 08/05/2010 6:50:27 AM PDT by Tax-chick (Steampunk Baby and the Quest for Bill's iPod - now on DVD!)
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lol...yeh, maybe that's why they were in such a bad mood all the time and invaded their neighbors!
14 posted on 08/05/2010 7:28:58 AM PDT by mick (Central Banker Capitalism is NOT Free Enterprise)
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To: Tax-chick
Oooh, there was a “Foyle’s War” episode about this, too!

I started watching the "Foyle's War" series after you mentioned the Trondheim connection back in April. Or was it May? Anyhow, Mrs. Homer and I are really enjoying them. The timing is working out well. We saw the Dunkirque episode just at the right time. We just completed the one that goes into the issue of evacuating children from London and preparing coffins for the expected air assault on London. The next one is "Eagle Attack," or something like that. It should be timely also. I am curious to see how the 50 destroyers are worked into a murder investigation.

Thanks for getting me hooked.

15 posted on 08/05/2010 8:22:26 AM PDT by Homer_J_Simpson ("Every nation has the government that it deserves." - Joseph de Maistre (1753-1821))
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To: Homer_J_Simpson
Nothing say "I love you" more than a necklace adorned with Japanese "Betty" bombers.


16 posted on 08/05/2010 8:42:56 AM PDT by CougarGA7
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To: CougarGA7

Doh. Meant bracelet.


17 posted on 08/05/2010 8:44:03 AM PDT by CougarGA7
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To: Tax-chick; mick

That teetotaler Hitler is trying to ruin the national drink now. Of course his disdain for alcohol will not stop the Einsatgruppen from giving their men copious amounts of Schnapps to help them complete their tasks.


18 posted on 08/05/2010 8:52:14 AM PDT by CougarGA7
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To: Homer_J_Simpson

You’re welcome. Being post-war myself (born in 1966) I found it very interesting to see how people actually lived in the 40s, and the unique issues the British faced.


19 posted on 08/05/2010 10:10:00 AM PDT by Tax-chick (Steampunk Baby and the Quest for Bill's iPod - now on DVD!)
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To: CougarGA7

Schnapps is medicinal, according to my dad and the old boys at deer camp!


20 posted on 08/05/2010 10:10:36 AM PDT by Tax-chick (Steampunk Baby and the Quest for Bill's iPod - now on DVD!)
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To: Tax-chick

I can’t argue that. I definitely is a form of life support at winter football games. (mixed with hot chocolate of course)


21 posted on 08/05/2010 1:35:27 PM PDT by CougarGA7
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The deer-hunting gentlemen would never give me any, because I’m a girl.


22 posted on 08/05/2010 2:17:17 PM PDT by Tax-chick (Steampunk Baby and the Quest for Bill's iPod - now on DVD!)
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To: CougarGA7
That teetotaler Hitler

The Leader was known to sip an occasional bier.

Those looked like Nip bombers to me, as well.

23 posted on 08/05/2010 5:04:18 PM PDT by PAR35
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The Leader was known to sip an occasional bier.

True, so it doesn't make him a teetotaler by definition. He was not much for the drink though so sip would be an good representation of how he drank. Author Ian Kershaw mentions an instance at the fall of Czecho-Slovakia in which they toasted its fall with a glass of Pilsner. Hitler tasted it, but didn't like it since it was, in his opinion, too bitter for him. But I would have to imagine that it would be difficult to be completely separated from beer as a Nazi considering their predominant meeting places during the early days.

24 posted on 08/05/2010 8:36:22 PM PDT by CougarGA7
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To: Tax-chick

That’s not fair. The Schnapps is just to keep the blood warm.


25 posted on 08/05/2010 8:37:39 PM PDT by CougarGA7
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To: mick; Tax-chick; Homer_J_Simpson; CougarGA7
"Holy crap...The Nazis were against beer !!
"That's reason enough to fight them !! "

I've long been fascinated by questions such as: how did the Nazis do so well in the beginning, but then fail in the end?

Well.... hmmmmmm... could this be the real reason?

You know, the Germans are a stoic people, accustomed to hardships and long suffering. In extreme conditions they can tolerate pretty much anything, and still continue to function.

But they will not tolerate the absence of beer -- or even inadequate beer. So, I predict that if the Nazis try to deprive them, they will find their unbeatable blitz-krieg machine suddenly bogged down in the mud and unable to move anywhere, except homeward... ;-)

26 posted on 08/09/2010 7:13:16 AM PDT by BroJoeK (a little historical perspective....)
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"‘Our Duty’ to Help – 2-3 "

Very interesting article.

US General John Pershing commanded the expeditionary force in what is here called "the other war."
Pershing came from the U.S. Grant Unconditional Surrender school of military strategy, and disagreed with southern President Wilson's "peace with honor" formulations.

Pershing believed in 1918 that the allies needed to thoroughly defeat Germany and march into Berlin, so there would never be any doubt about it in German minds.
He predicted that President Wilson's approach would simply result in a round-two in twenty years.

Sadly, his prediction came all-to-true, but it is most interesting to note that Pershing did not at this time call for another US expeditionary force to Europe.

Instead he says the US must support Britain with old destroyers, and begin to prepare for war.

27 posted on 08/09/2010 7:30:32 AM PDT by BroJoeK (a little historical perspective....)
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You know,Joe, you might be on to something. War is an endeavor of the Will...during our own revolution we were out gunned and out generaled but soldiered on because of the Will of Washington and many (but not all)of his troops in the field.

Maybe the lack of beer sapped the fighting spirit and Will of the Germans...in the same sense - now here I go completely off topic but a friend of mine mentioned it yesterday watching golf on TV and your comments reminded me of it- the same way that a lack of extra curricular women may have apparently sapped the fighting spirit and Will of Tiger Woods. Who knows?? Something sure has changed inside him.

28 posted on 08/09/2010 7:55:50 AM PDT by mick (Central Banker Capitalism is NOT Free Enterprise)
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