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Superman II: The Richard Donner Cut

Posted on 09/30/2010 4:42:39 PM PDT by EveningStar

For those of you who have seen both versions, which version do you prefer - the Lester cut or the Donner cut - and why?

From Wikipedia:

Superman II: The Richard Donner Cut is a 2006 re-edit of the 1980 superhero film, Superman II, by Richard Donner, who shot a large part of the original movie before being replaced as director by Richard Lester. It stars Gene Hackman, Christopher Reeve, Terence Stamp, Margot Kidder and Marlon Brando. The cut was supervised by Donner, creative consultant Tom Mankiewicz (who penned the 1977 shooting script for Superman II, on which the Donner cut is based), and Michael Thau, an editor who worked with Donner on the 2001 DVD director's cut and restoration of the 1978 film Superman.


TOPICS: TV/Movies
KEYWORDS: richarddonner; richardlester; superman; supermanii

1 posted on 09/30/2010 4:42:44 PM PDT by EveningStar
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To: Borges; DollyCali

ping


2 posted on 09/30/2010 4:43:29 PM PDT by EveningStar (Karl Marx is not one of our Founding Fathers.)
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To: EveningStar

Neither.


3 posted on 09/30/2010 4:46:12 PM PDT by rbg81 (When you see Obama, shout: "DO YOUR JOB!!")
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To: EveningStar
I prefer Superman III - that scene with Clark Kent vs Superman in that junkyard is classic!
4 posted on 09/30/2010 4:53:03 PM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist (The Republic of the United States of America)
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To: EveningStar

Donner cut by far ... it’s a shame it wasn’t released like that back then.


5 posted on 09/30/2010 5:09:13 PM PDT by edh (I need a better tagline)
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To: EveningStar

Lester Lester Lester.

Richard L. is a terrific and underrated filmmaker who made a very moving matinee film with Superman 2. Richard Donner is a hack who made a piece of faceless glop with the original film.


6 posted on 09/30/2010 5:10:13 PM PDT by Borges
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To: edh

Haven’t seen the new cut, what makes it better?


7 posted on 09/30/2010 5:10:13 PM PDT by Truthsearcher
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To: edh

You liked that ‘turn back time to fix things’ bit eh?


8 posted on 09/30/2010 5:11:15 PM PDT by Borges
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To: Truthsearcher

Nothing. It sucked.


9 posted on 09/30/2010 5:11:37 PM PDT by Borges
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To: Borges; edh
You liked that ‘turn back time to fix things’ bit eh?

Was that in the original Puzo screenplay or did Donner add that? That was one of the major weak points of the first movie for me.

10 posted on 09/30/2010 5:19:59 PM PDT by EveningStar (Karl Marx is not one of our Founding Fathers.)
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To: EveningStar

It was meant to be at the end of the 2nd film to finish off the story told across both films. When they ran out of time and money they decided to stick it in the first film.


11 posted on 09/30/2010 5:34:50 PM PDT by Borges
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To: EveningStar

Richard Lester version.

Both have their pros/cons, good points and flaws, but the Lester version pulled everything together in a much neater and more consistent manner.

At the least, in the Lester version the a**hole trucker and diner patrons REMEMBER Clark Kent when he shows back up and kicks the trucker’s a**.


12 posted on 09/30/2010 5:40:55 PM PDT by tanknetter
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To: EveningStar
Was that in the original Puzo screenplay or did Donner add that? That was one of the major weak points of the first movie for me.

As a plot device to allow the stereotypical Superman superhero conflict (two major situations to resolve, one involving Lois Lane's saftey, but only enough time to resolve one) to be resolved, I'd agree that the time-travel device was weak.

However, as a way of showing the resolution of the inner conflict between Clark Kent and Kal El (which was foreshadowed early in the movie by the scene where teenage Clark Kent, the football team's towelboy, punts the football into the stratosphere) - with the Clark side winning by setting aside Jor El's philosophy of limited interference in human affairs - it worked out very, very well.
13 posted on 09/30/2010 5:49:57 PM PDT by tanknetter
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To: EveningStar

Just remember, General Zod rules planet Houston.

Now kneel before Zod!

;-p


14 posted on 09/30/2010 5:56:01 PM PDT by gogogodzilla (Live free or die!)
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To: Borges

I remember reading that. It’s still dumb. He was supposed to have super powers, not divine powers. :)


15 posted on 09/30/2010 6:07:04 PM PDT by EveningStar (Karl Marx is not one of our Founding Fathers.)
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To: EveningStar

All I know is never ask for the Donner cut at the Donner party.


16 posted on 09/30/2010 6:11:23 PM PDT by nkycincinnatikid
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To: EveningStar

Neither. After the first “Superman,” they sucked. Except for “Superman Returns”—I thought that movie was great.


17 posted on 09/30/2010 6:16:02 PM PDT by Future Snake Eater ("Get out of the boat and walk on the water with us!”--Sen. Joe Biden)
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To: EveningStar

The original Superman was the first “date” movie i ever went to.
I was around 11 years old.

Still, i Like Chris Reeve now but didn’t then and Margot Kidder always grossed me out.
She reminded me of this alcoholic retch that lived in my neighborhood.
Soooooo, yea, i never really liked the Superman movies.

I saw the recent one a few years ago while vacationing in Vermont.
It was pretty good, I liked it. The Movie theater was better though, La-Z boy like seats and booze was served.
Pretty sweet!


18 posted on 09/30/2010 6:19:44 PM PDT by mowowie
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To: EveningStar

Interesting timing. I have the 4 DVD set. Watched them all in past 10 days.

I had a BIG crush on Christopher Reeve. Wore out the old VSH videos on the superman & Somewhere in time

will ping list. A bit discouraged, recently some things I have posted (including a thread this morning on Tony Curtis) have been pulled.

Am I really that naughty?

Thanks for ping sweetie


19 posted on 09/30/2010 6:27:12 PM PDT by DollyCali (Don't tell God how big your storm is...Tell the storm how big your God is!)
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To: Borges; EveningStar; alwaysconservative; Mr. Blonde; Mr. K; wtc911; swmobuffalo; Rummyfan; ...

Cinema Ping



20 posted on 09/30/2010 6:29:35 PM PDT by DollyCali (Don't tell God how big your storm is...Tell the storm how big your God is!)
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To: EveningStar

Gotta go with the Lester release.


21 posted on 09/30/2010 7:30:50 PM PDT by Carbonsteel
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To: gogogodzilla
Just remember, General Zod rules planet Houston. Now kneel before Zod!

"I call for a vote of 'no confidence' in General Zod's leadership."

22 posted on 09/30/2010 7:33:40 PM PDT by Christian4Bush (Mike/Chris Wallace: Did you give in? Palin: "HELL NO!" 33 days til the midterms, if they're held..)
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To: gogogodzilla; EveningStar
>>> Just remember, General Zod rules planet Houston.

I'm not saying who, but I have it on good authority Zod was a wimp and a mamas boy.


23 posted on 09/30/2010 8:52:18 PM PDT by tlb
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To: Truthsearcher

The Donner cut just seemed to have the same “feel” as the first one. Makes a bit of sense there as he directed it :-)! I wish I could describe it better than that. I just felt it paired up with the first one a heck of a lot better.

The “theatrical” second Superman just felt cheesy to me (not like the first & Donner’s II aren’t). I loved Superman II as a kid, but as I got older I just didn’t enjoy it as much as the first. Sorry for the lame explanation.

To this day Superman has one of the best musical scores ever. I will NEVER forget seeing Superman I in the theater with my dad and those opening credits :-)! I think I was 5 when it came out, but I can remember it to this day :-).

I still think “Superman Returns” gets unfairly bashed. Yeah, Kate Bosworth was horrible as Lois Lane & I still cannot forgive the director for editing out “American Way” when he says “I want to know if he’s still for truth, justice, all of that stuff”. But overall, people seem to trash that film up and down when it is really not all too bad. It’s definitely worth the $7 or so on BluRay (used ... I never buy them new).

As far as the time travel stuff in the first one ... I have no idea if that was part of the original story ... I can’t say that stuff really bothers me either ... it’s a comic book film, not real life like Star Trek :-P (though time travel worked awesome in the new one!!!)


24 posted on 09/30/2010 9:46:29 PM PDT by edh (I need a better tagline)
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To: EveningStar

I think Richard Donner would have made a better Superman II than Richard Lester. The Donner cut points the direction, but you have to forgive a few inadequacies (test shots subbing for real shots, excessive re-use of themes & sequences from the first movie, etc.).


25 posted on 10/21/2010 9:06:28 PM PDT by MikeD (We live in a world where babies are like velveteen rabbits that only become real if they are loved.)
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