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Seeking Proof in Near-Death Claims (18 Hospitals to study mystery of near-death experiences)
Wall Street Journal ^ | 10/26/2010

Posted on 10/26/2010 8:40:18 PM PDT by SeekAndFind

At 18 hospitals in the U.S. and U.K., researchers have suspended pictures, face up, from the ceilings in emergency-care areas. The reason: to test whether patients brought back to life after cardiac arrest can recall seeing the images during an out-of-body experience.

People who have these near-death experiences often describe leaving their bodies and watching themselves being resuscitated from above, but verifying such accounts is difficult. The images would be visible only to people who had done that.

"We've added these images as objective markers," says Sam Parnia, a critical-care physician and lead investigator of the study, which hopes to include 1,500 resuscitated patients. Dr. Parnia declined to say whether any have accurately described the images so far, but says he hopes to report preliminary results next year.

The study, coordinated by Southampton University's School of Medicine in England, is one of the latest and largest scientific efforts to understand the mystery of near-death experiences.

At least 15 million American adults say they have had a near-death experience, according to a 1997 survey—and the number is thought to be rising with increasingly sophisticated resuscitation techniques.

In addition to floating above their bodies, people often describe moving down a dark tunnel toward a bright light, feeling intense peace and joy, reviewing life events and seeing long-deceased relatives—only to be told that it's not time yet and land abruptly back in an ailing body.

The once-taboo topic is getting a lot of talk these days. In the new movie "Hereafter," directed by Clint Eastwood, a French journalist is haunted by what she experienced while nearly drowning in a tsunami.

Yet the fundamental debate rages on: Are these glimpses of an afterlife, are they hallucinations or are they the random firings of an oxygen-starved brain?

(Excerpt) Read more at online.wsj.com ...


TOPICS: Health/Medicine; Religion; Science; Weird Stuff
KEYWORDS: afterlife; faithandphilosophy; lifeafterlife; nde; ndes; neardeath; neardeathexperience; raymondmoody

1 posted on 10/26/2010 8:40:23 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

With Obamacare I am sure they will have a lot more of these to study.

Wonder if they will get a bonus if they ‘help’ them to an actual death?


2 posted on 10/26/2010 8:48:46 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: Secret Agent Man

Dead or Alive?

An analysis of 613 near-death experiences gathered by the Near Death Research Foundation found:

* About 75% included an out-of-body experience
* 76% reported intense positive emotions
* 34% described passing through a tunnel
* 65% described encountering a bright light
* 22% had a life review
* 57% encountered deceased relatives or other beings

Note: Patients could report more than one sensation.


3 posted on 10/26/2010 8:52:42 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

I know one who swears he had it during a brain surgery. Floated above the operating table and watched himself being butchered, he says.

It’s unrelated (I think), but dude also believes in the Conspiratorial Theiry of History of the World, you know, the Masons, the Bilderburgers, and such.


4 posted on 10/26/2010 8:56:44 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Let us prey!)
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To: Secret Agent Man

Actually, probably a lot less. Why revive someone... after all, letting them go is the “green” thing to do.


5 posted on 10/26/2010 9:02:36 PM PDT by BCR #226 (07/02 SOT www.extremefirepower.com...The BS stops when the hammer drops.)
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To: Secret Agent Man

Perhaps a lot less as they will let you die.


6 posted on 10/26/2010 9:10:32 PM PDT by Lumper20
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To: Secret Agent Man

Perhaps a lot less as they will let you die.


7 posted on 10/26/2010 9:10:34 PM PDT by Lumper20
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To: BCR #226

“Actually, probably a lot less. Why revive someone... after all, letting them go is the “green” thing to do.”

Funny how much of the “green” agenda is a fade to black, isn’t it?


8 posted on 10/26/2010 9:16:41 PM PDT by Psalm 144
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To: SeekAndFind
The body is a Thermos.

Is someone surprised that when you open it up, its delicious contents are released?


Frowning takes 68 muscles.
Smiling takes 6.
Pulling this trigger takes 2.
I'm lazy.

9 posted on 10/26/2010 9:16:56 PM PDT by The Comedian (Don't run. You'll just die tired.)
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To: Revolting cat!

RE: Floated above the operating table and watched himself being butchered, he says.


I am actually more impressed by a very accurate out-of-the-body experience of a man who was able to describe in great detail WHAT HAPPENED AT HOME (e.g., what his kids were doing at that time) after he “died” in the hospital.

That would be difficult to explain using purely material/physiological explanations.


10 posted on 10/26/2010 9:17:28 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

This sounds very interesting. I went into cardiac arrest last year and didn’t see or hear a thing for 6 days (my wife says I responded to her voice or her rubbing my hand).

I don’t recall anything from trying to leave my office (Tuesday) until I woke up the following Monday, after having cardiac arrest, an Arctic Sun coma where my body temperature was lowered for two days to prevent my brain from frying; another medically induced coma to help me stablize the whole body; pneumonia (comes with the territory), and brain seizures.

Woke up, looking at the ceiling, and said to myself, “Oh shit, what happened”. Then I saw TV and watched it (Fox Cable, of course), saw my work supervisor laughing and clapping, and them felt my wife holding my hand. I looked at her and thought,”Darn, she looks like she’s had a bad time” (she did).

Then I began to speak a little thru my breathing mask, and after another stent and defibrilator, I walked out of the hospital on my own, 16 days later. Says something about the wonderful state of American medicine. Obama, leave it alone.

I wish I had had an out-of-body experience. It would have been cool, but I’m just an average guy.

Now my friend, a retired NYPD officer, was being beaten to death by a bunch of drug dealers he was trying to arrest, and he saw the lights, angels and his whole family. He resisted going to the light, regained his physical composure, and beat the hell out of the drug-dealers. Lesson learned: Never fuck with a NY Irish cop.

Astral projection, if proven during a near-death or actual death experience, would open up a whole new world of study. I’m looking forward to it, but not as a volunteer anymore. Being clinically dead once is enough.

Happy viewing, folks, and I hope you all live to tell about it.


11 posted on 10/26/2010 9:25:43 PM PDT by MadMax, the Grinning Reaper
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To: Revolting cat!
No conspiracy buff here. I "died" when I was eight from an asthma attack at home. My uncle was a doctor-radiologist of all things-but he revived me. I floated above and could see myself and hear my grandmother's anguished wailings that haunt me to this day-"My God. He's white as a ghost DO SOMETHING". I remember it crystal clear.

Maybe it was the loss of oxygen, maybe not...but I know what I went through.

12 posted on 10/26/2010 9:28:00 PM PDT by MattinNJ (Palin. I cannot spare this woman. She fights!)
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To: SeekAndFind

I’ve had quite a few out-of-body experiences, though I’ve never been close to death. Mine all happened during times of plain old relaxation.

On one memorable occasion, I slipped out of the body while staring at the ceiling in the middle of the day. I wasn’t asleep, or even drowsy. I found myself about two inches from the ceiling. I turned my attention to the window, and then found myself outside the house about two stories off the ground.

My perceptions at this time seemed to be ultra sharp. I’d never seen so clearly, or heard things in such fine detail. It’s difficult to describe, if you’ve never experienced it.

Unfortunately, I looked through the window and saw my body lying on the bed, and instantly snapped back into my head.

The greatest effect this experience had on me, was the realization that I’m not a flesh and bone body, but a spiritual being, entirely separate from the physical universe.


13 posted on 10/26/2010 9:29:34 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Windflier

I’ve had sometime similar to yours...I’m sure I wouldn’t have died - I was 18 and in perfect health - just suffering anxiety that night for some reason. I went and laid on the living room couch and suddenly felt as though I rose out of myself and had the sensation that I could travel ....sort of flying...definitely felt that I had left myself on the couch...but quickly thought of my parents and sisters and didn’t want to go anywhere. I figured I had to get back to myself and decided moving would work. I jumped up and it was over.

Never happened again.


14 posted on 10/26/2010 9:46:59 PM PDT by Aria ( "Remember, attitudes are contagious, so make sure yours are worth catching." Sarah Palin 9-18-2010)
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To: SeekAndFind

Flatliners


15 posted on 10/26/2010 9:48:14 PM PDT by NonValueAdded ("It's amazing, A man who has such large ears could be so tone deaf" Rush Limbaugh 9/8/10)
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To: SeekAndFind

Well, I would suggest they paste electrodes on Chrissy Matthews, Kieth Olberman and that Maddow dude. Come Nov 3, they will be having a NDE on live TV.


16 posted on 10/26/2010 9:52:58 PM PDT by Islander7 (If you want to anger conservatives, lie to them. If you want to anger liberals, tell them the truth.)
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To: Islander7

Matthews, Olbermann and Maddow have been brain dead for years, only they don’t know it or refuse to acknowledge it.

Otherwise, how do you think they got their jobs as MSNBC?


17 posted on 10/26/2010 10:00:54 PM PDT by MadMax, the Grinning Reaper
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To: SeekAndFind

I know 3 people who have had near death experiences. My dad did during cardiac surgery. He told me he was floating above the table and watched the whole surgery. He wouldn’t talk about it.

The next one I learned of was a very dear friend who was in a coma for several weeks after a diabetic episode. He said he walked around as a “being of light” while he was out of his body.

The third one was from a little girl. There was a fire in her home and as a 2 year old she couldn’t get out. She was dead from smoke inhalation when they brought her out of the house, but the firefighters wouldn’t give up and brought her back. Little kids that age don’t have a lot of words to use yet, but over the next several years she told her parents how Jesus met her and sat with her and gave her cheerios (her favorite thing in the world at the time). Then he told her she needed to go back to her parents.


18 posted on 10/26/2010 10:11:43 PM PDT by Grammy
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To: SeekAndFind

My mother had a surgery (very bad one) and she said she came out of her body and floated above watching the procedure.


19 posted on 10/26/2010 10:12:38 PM PDT by Vicki (Washington State where anyone can vote .... illegals, non-residents, dead people, dogs, felons)
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To: Revolting cat!

I believe strongly in an afterlife, in encountering Christ after our physical death, and in the likelihood that some people have had out-of-body experiences. But I’ll bet some of the events that took place were not supernatural experiences but were due to inadequate anesthesia.

When I had surgery several years ago I didn’t have an out-of-body experience, but I clearly heard the surgeon and assistant surgeon joshing during my procedure. Later, when I repeated their conversation, my surgeon was very embarrassed. It’s clear that one can be paralyzed and anesthetized but still hear. That could explain a few of these reports (though certainly not all!)


20 posted on 10/26/2010 10:19:55 PM PDT by ottbmare (off-the-track Thoroughbred mare)
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To: The Comedian

I’m only marking this with your post because I’m tired and I think you are silly. You have neither smelled burning flesh nor have you smelled rotting flesh. Either way, it’s not pretty. I have smelled both and neither are pleasant.


21 posted on 10/26/2010 10:26:44 PM PDT by JouleZ (You are the company you keep.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Very interested in their findings. How can we track it?


22 posted on 10/26/2010 10:48:52 PM PDT by ArmyTeach (Vincit qui se vincit)
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To: Revolting cat!

My mom said it happened to her when she was on the operating table. And she doesn’t believe in conspiracy theories!


23 posted on 10/26/2010 11:11:20 PM PDT by Finny ("Raise hell. Vote smart." -- Ted Nugent)
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To: SeekAndFind

BUMP


24 posted on 10/26/2010 11:32:18 PM PDT by Taffini ( Mr. Pippen and Mr. Waffles do not approve and neither do I)
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To: SeekAndFind

Thanks much.

Should be interesting.


25 posted on 10/26/2010 11:52:50 PM PDT by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: Quix
There have been several books written on this subject in the past...they are still available and you might be able to find them at your local library.








26 posted on 10/27/2010 7:01:36 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: MadMax, the Grinning Reaper

RE: Matthews, Olbermann and Maddow have been brain dead for years, only they don’t know it or refuse to acknowledge it.


Here’s a classic one minute scene with Bob Hope almost 70 years ago. He must have been thinking of these guys when he made his classic remark.

One of the best and most truthful lines in movie history.

CLICK HERE:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=srrw_UnlRII


27 posted on 10/27/2010 7:06:39 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind
57% encountered deceased relatives

And they all wanted to know when I was going to pay them the money I owed.

28 posted on 10/27/2010 7:07:18 AM PDT by Tijeras_Slim (Pablo lives jubtabulously!)
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To: SeekAndFind

Have read all the earlier classics of the genre.

I think Moody broke new ground—I think he was the one to first research the suicide etc. side of things.

Some of the books are far too NEW AGEY for me.


29 posted on 10/27/2010 7:38:55 AM PDT by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: JouleZ
I’m only marking this with your post because I’m tired and I think you are silly. You have neither smelled burning flesh nor have you smelled rotting flesh. Either way, it’s not pretty. I have smelled both and neither are pleasant.

1) The Thermos reference was what we call "allegory". Google it.

2) Even though my point went over your head at Mach 17 and you tangetilized at an amazing 362.7 degrees from my intent, I'll never the less inform you that you are mistaken on both of your assertions.

Now get some sleep, and a colon cleanse.


Frowning takes 68 muscles.
Smiling takes 6.
Pulling this trigger takes 2.
I'm lazy.

30 posted on 10/27/2010 8:49:20 AM PDT by The Comedian (Don't run. You'll just die tired.)
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To: Windflier
The greatest effect this experience had on me, was the realization that I’m not a flesh and bone body, but a spiritual being, entirely separate from the physical universe.

Awesome!

If everyone could come to realize and internalize this *fact* the way you have, everyone would adopt immensely different priorities, and the fear of death that is almost universal, would completely lose its sting.

Thanks for sharing!


Frowning takes 68 muscles.
Smiling takes 6.
Pulling this trigger takes 2.
I'm lazy.

31 posted on 10/27/2010 8:57:21 AM PDT by The Comedian (Don't run. You'll just die tired.)
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To: The Comedian; Windflier
Comedian, I've only got one thing to say to you regarding your post to Windflier:

DITTO!

32 posted on 10/27/2010 12:01:57 PM PDT by Finny ("Raise hell. Vote smart." -- Ted Nugent)
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To: Aria
...suddenly felt as though I rose out of myself and had the sensation that I could travel ....sort of flying...definitely felt that I had left myself on the couch.

Interesting that you say, "I rose out of myself".

One thing that became strikingly clear to me during my OOBE was that I am not my body. I came away from the experience understanding that I own the meat body, the same way that I own my truck. It's just a temporary vehicle, and I'm the driver.

There's a book by author Albert Taylor called "Soul Traveler" that's a best-seller on the subject of OOBEs. I haven't read it, but I hear it's one of the best out there.

33 posted on 10/27/2010 7:30:40 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: The Comedian
If everyone could come to realize and internalize this *fact* the way you have, everyone would adopt immensely different priorities, and the fear of death that is almost universal, would completely lose its sting.

You're right about that. I have no fear whatsoever of the hereafter. I know for a fact that there is no such thing as death for the individual. Only for the body. We go on. And on.

That's not to say that I value my human life any less than I ever did. I very much like my current identity, and enjoy this worldly existence a great deal. I just don't fear losing it, any more than I fear losing my truck when it finally wears out. I'll get another one.

34 posted on 10/27/2010 7:59:29 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: The Comedian
Or as CS Lewis said:

"You don't have a soul. You are a Soul. You have a body."

35 posted on 10/27/2010 8:04:39 PM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: Aria; Windflier

I had a friend who experienced the same thing.


36 posted on 10/27/2010 8:06:12 PM PDT by ladyjane
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To: Joe 6-pack
"You don't have a soul. You are a Soul. You have a body."

Right on, right on, right on.


Frowning takes 68 muscles.
Smiling takes 6.
Pulling this trigger takes 2.
I'm lazy.

37 posted on 10/27/2010 9:45:02 PM PDT by The Comedian (Don't run. You'll just die tired.)
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To: SeekAndFind
I might be insane, but remember clearly floating out of my body as an infant and coming back several times.

Seemed to have an awareness of things from a much more mature perspective than a 1 year old(?)should.

Saw a lot of weird things, like nuns without faces.

Would come back and leave at will, happened at night while sleeping.

Odd.

38 posted on 10/27/2010 9:59:18 PM PDT by Rome2000 (OBAMA IS A COMMUNIST CRYPTO-MUSLIM)
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To: SeekAndFind
Har!

That clip, if gone viral, would be the end of them.

39 posted on 10/27/2010 10:07:48 PM PDT by Rome2000 (OBAMA IS A COMMUNIST CRYPTO-MUSLIM)
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To: Rome2000

Having any memories at all prior to the age of three or so is odd. Remembering out-of-body experiences as an infant is beyond odd.

Are you sure you didn’t imagine it as a child? I’ve had one waking experience that might qualify, the result of emotional trauma. My dog died in my arms and I saw myself trying to revive him. Yes, from the ceiling. This was three years ago.


40 posted on 10/27/2010 10:09:13 PM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: The Comedian

“You don’t have a soul. You are a Soul. You have a body.”
Right on, right on, right on.

____________________________________________________________

Amen.


41 posted on 10/27/2010 10:14:53 PM PDT by MWestMom (Tread carefully, truth lies here.)
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To: RegulatorCountry
Not sure how old I was at the time, but remember these experiences clearly.

I know I would fly around a bit, then go back to my body in a crib.

Speaking of dogs, when I was about ten I had a weird dream, my dog was limping, and the dream was kind of shrouded in a weird fog, like I was looking onto a movie set with those fog machines going.

Next day, my brother slams a door and the dogs foot gets caught, and he's limping.

I was at my Grandfathers funeral, he was a preacher, very religious, read the bible daily.

During the ceremony inside the funeral home, while his fellow preacher is giving the sermon to a packed house in the chapel, his open coffin is there, all of a sudden, a pair of French doors on the side of the chapel bursts open all by themselves.

My uncle says to me,"there he goes".

42 posted on 10/27/2010 10:23:06 PM PDT by Rome2000 (OBAMA IS A COMMUNIST CRYPTO-MUSLIM)
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To: The Comedian

Google it.

*********

You can’t Google a smell, fool. I know what rotting flesh and gangrene smell like. Get off your high horse.


43 posted on 10/27/2010 10:26:36 PM PDT by JouleZ (You are the company you keep.)
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To: Rome2000

Unusual for a preacher’s funeral not to be held in his church.


44 posted on 10/27/2010 10:36:29 PM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: RegulatorCountry

They actually bussed in his congregation to the home, it has a large chapel, and that was the most logical thing to do, as his grave was about 100 yards from it.


45 posted on 10/27/2010 10:49:25 PM PDT by Rome2000 (OBAMA IS A COMMUNIST CRYPTO-MUSLIM)
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To: JouleZ; The Comedian
I hope I can contribute to the discussions in a positive way as well.

OK, please do.

Thanks!

46 posted on 10/27/2010 10:57:52 PM PDT by Rome2000 (OBAMA IS A COMMUNIST CRYPTO-MUSLIM)
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To: JouleZ
You can’t Google a smell, fool. I know what rotting flesh and gangrene smell like. Get off your high horse.

Nice to see our own little Special Ed. poster again.

Now stop laughing, everyone.

That's not nice.


Frowning takes 68 muscles.
Smiling takes 6.
Pulling this trigger takes 2.
I'm lazy.

47 posted on 10/28/2010 6:43:46 AM PDT by The Comedian (Don't run. You'll just die tired.)
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To: SeekAndFind

During my NDE I saw the tunnel, had exquisite emotions of love, compassion, and wisdom while also reviewing my life. I did not see a light nor meet with anyone, but there was communication with what I presume was an angel or the Holy Spirit. Was a great experience and while I think it is good they are studying it, if they come up with anything short of it being real they will be wrong...


48 posted on 01/17/2013 2:59:57 AM PST by Wpin ("I Have Sworn Upon the Altar of God eternal hostility against every form of tyranny...")
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