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Exploding the “That Wasn’t A Missile” Myth
FreeRepublic ^ | November 10, 2010 | Gargantua

Posted on 11/10/2010 12:45:55 PM PST by Gargantua

Exploding the “That Wasn’t A Missile” Myth

By Gargantua

What appeared to be a missile rose from below the horizon, streaking into the sky off of California leaving a condensation trail identical to the kind that have been filmed being left by a ground-or-sea-to-air launch of a Minuteman missile or ICBM.

First, the Government was inexplicably mum on the topic. Next came a series of sometimes contradictory explanations. Now, days after the event, the finally agreed-upon explanation hits every news station all at once. “It’s the con-trail of a jet returning from across the Pacific.”

There are two glaring problems with this obviously false “explanation.”

First, the shape and density of the con-trail.

A missile launch would be more dense and wide at its base, just as we see in the images we’ve been shown. A jet’s con-trail would be thinner and smaller the further away as it trailed off toward the horizon. We see the opposite in the availale video footage.

Second, the lighting.

In the video footage, we see stratus clouds out over the ocean behind the rising missile. The setting sun is shining on, and illuminating, the bottom of those clouds. On the con-trail, however, the illumination from the sun appears on the right-hand-edge; just as it would if this were a launching missile’s vertically rising con-trail. There is no illumination of the underside of the “jet’s horizontally oriented con-trail” because it is not a jet’s con-trail, it is a vertically-oriented missile’s launch contrail with the sun lighting up the side away from us. Very obviously so.

The Government must think we are at least as stupid as they are if they think this lame explanation is going to “fly.”

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What a bunch of dunces. Just like that TWA flight shot out of the sky over New York, the Gummint puts its foot in its lying mouth yet again. Problem is, this time we can examine the video. The lying imbeciles.

8^D

1 posted on 11/10/2010 12:46:03 PM PST by Gargantua
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To: Gargantua
Contrails.

Hmmmmmm.

3 posted on 11/10/2010 12:50:09 PM PST by E. Pluribus Unum ("Government has no other end, but the preservation of property." --John Locke)
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To: Gargantua

Gov: “Unicorn rainbow.”


4 posted on 11/10/2010 12:50:54 PM PST by TigersEye (Who crashed the markets on 9/28/08 and why?)
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To: Gargantua

I hate to be a wet blanket, but where are all the witnesses?

There should have been many pilots and ship captains reporting this surprise large missile launch.

Many of them would certainly have filmed or photographed it.

Many would have reported it to authorities.


5 posted on 11/10/2010 12:50:57 PM PST by ltc8k6
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To: The KG9 Kid

>>Hello there, lunatic.<<

I agree. This is kinda fun though. It is like arguing with the liberal whack jobs over on Harmony-central. I like a good argument. Sometimes FR can get boring when everyone agrees. This one is fun.

But it is also getting old. I’m embarrassed for Rush Limbaugh if he really did say that there is compelling evidence it is a missile. I thought he had better investigators than that.


6 posted on 11/10/2010 12:51:36 PM PST by RobRoy (The US Today: Revelation 18:4)
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To: The KG9 Kid

I’m not exactly sure what the government is supposed to be hiding here. They launch missiles all the time without lying about them.

Seems to me that if they were hiding something, they could have simply said it was our launch.


7 posted on 11/10/2010 12:52:07 PM PST by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin! (look it up))
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To: ltc8k6

Sounds to me like a wet blanket may be necessary.

SnakeDoc


8 posted on 11/10/2010 12:52:36 PM PST by SnakeDoctor (Si Vis Pacem, Para Bellum -- If you wish for peace, prepare for war.)
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To: Gargantua

what about that plane that crashed over jamaica bay in NY not long after 9/11? Didn’t they say it was jet wash that tore the tail off of it or something like that? crazy stuff.


9 posted on 11/10/2010 12:52:45 PM PST by sappy (criminalibs)
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To: Gargantua

http://blog.chicagoweathercenter.com/chicago-weather/tom-skilling-blog/archives/CONTRAIL010206.jpg


10 posted on 11/10/2010 12:53:09 PM PST by Slicksadick (Go out on a limb........Its where the fruit is.)
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To: Gargantua

It’s much, much worse than that.

Consider, we have a plethora of satelites and radar installations designed for this EXACT reason - and no one saw a thing.

There were not F-16’s scrambled, nor was there a High Alert in the Military. Business on Vandenberg continued as normal.

We had one idiot say that this may have been a show of force, to show China that we can launch a missle 35 miles from our shore. As if China hasn’t known of this capabilityf or the past 40 years.

Or ... maybe China did the launch, in a show of force to tell Jughead to get his butt back in-line. That if China wants to play hard-ball; they can get within 30 miles of teh California coast and launch an ICBM and we would not only be unaware of it; we wouldn’t even know about it until a city was a radio-active pile of ash.

When you are dealing with a Libtard like Jughead; the world knows that they can do this, and he will quickly curtsie, bow, lick a boot and appologize on behalf of the charred victims that somehow or another, we had this coming.


11 posted on 11/10/2010 12:54:46 PM PST by Hodar (Who needs laws .... when this "feels" so right?)
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To: Gargantua
They must know most people are thinking the worse: ground to missile set off by terrorist in this country, some crazy/crazies set it off by mistake/on purpose, someone broke into our systems and set it off.....

It either would cause panic, make us question those in authority, or show us what we already know; Obama has lost complete control of everything.

12 posted on 11/10/2010 12:54:54 PM PST by Linda Frances
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To: Gargantua
The chicoms snuck a silent sub into our waters... just off the coast... and fired an ICBM just to show obama that the technology that clinton gave to them has been mastered.

LLS

13 posted on 11/10/2010 12:54:54 PM PST by LibLieSlayer (WOLVERINES!)
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To: Gargantua
A jet’s con-trail would be thinner and smaller the further away as it trailed off toward the horizon.

Ummm. That's not even a little bit true. Have you ever been outside?

14 posted on 11/10/2010 12:55:02 PM PST by Sloth (Civil disobedience? I'm afraid only the uncivil kind is going to cut it this time.)
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To: ltc8k6

You bring up a good point. I just flew over that area of the ocean a few months ago. The number of boats out there is fairly impressive.

Your post reminds me of why one woman said Anita Hill was lying: Where are the other women? No man does this to just one woman.

Likewise, with this one distant video should be a lot of people that were a LOT closer. But nothing...

It just adds to the body of evidence for the airplane contrail. I cannot believe this is even still being debated, frankly. I say that as one that originally believed it was a missile launch.


15 posted on 11/10/2010 12:55:13 PM PST by RobRoy (The US Today: Revelation 18:4)
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To: ltc8k6

>There should have been many pilots and ship captains reporting this surprise large missile launch.<

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Most likely there are satellite data available of this event.


16 posted on 11/10/2010 12:55:44 PM PST by 353FMG (In the end, it will be either ISLAM or America -- it cannot be both.)
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To: Gargantua

TWA Flight 800 was not shot out of the sky.

And this was not a missle launch. The reason they were all “clueless” was the same reason the Bush white house sounded so clueless when he was first confronted with the fake story about his national guard service — you can’t know a negative.

So, there was no missle, and the government didn’t know anything about the missle that wasn’t launched, and couldn’t detect any indication of the missle the wasn’t launched, and had no independent verification from radar or satellites about the missle that wasn’t launched.

But in a little while, they were able to figure out that the reported odd occurence wasn’t anything out of the ordinary, it was a flight they knew all about, and which they simply assumed wouldn’t be what people were talking about, since the flight was eastbound from honolulu, and was not a westbound ICBM launched from catalina.


17 posted on 11/10/2010 12:55:44 PM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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To: Gargantua

It’s a common contrail. The object is traveling toward you, not away from you, and since the contrail has a long persistence, it looks like it emanates from the horizon, thus the illusion that it is a missile traveling away from you.

Seems pretty clear to me.


18 posted on 11/10/2010 12:55:44 PM PST by Banjoguy (Barack H. Obama, the Democrats and the MSM are at war with the American people.)
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To: Gargantua
It was a contrail. Here's a contrail from the same part of California on New Year's Eve 2009:

Here's another similar contrail from Michigan:

Many more examples at Contrailscience.com.

19 posted on 11/10/2010 12:55:50 PM PST by Yo-Yo (Is the /sarc tag really necessary?)
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To: Gargantua

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/228/493104999_b8abb257f7.jpg
More from “Contrails at sunset” image search.


20 posted on 11/10/2010 12:55:57 PM PST by Slicksadick (Go out on a limb........Its where the fruit is.)
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To: The KG9 Kid

Instead of intelligently discussing the statements in the post you resort to name-calling? How DU-like of you.


21 posted on 11/10/2010 12:55:57 PM PST by vrwc1
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To: RobRoy

Do you consider the folks at Jane’s to be conspiracy nuts?

But Doug Richardson, the editor of Jane’s Missiles and Rockets, examined the video for the Times of London and said he was left with little doubt.

“It’s a solid propellant missile,” he told the Times. “You can tell from the efflux [smoke].”

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/11/10/earlyshow/main7040379.shtml


22 posted on 11/10/2010 12:56:37 PM PST by DManA
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To: RobRoy

Hey, FAA said there were no aircraft (that means airplanes) in that area. What does that tell you?
http://www.wsws.org/articles/2010/nov2010/miss-n10.shtml
I’m embarrassed for you.


23 posted on 11/10/2010 12:58:16 PM PST by Doulos1 (Bitter Clinger Forever)
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To: LibLieSlayer

Through occupied commercial air space, which if they were hit would set off an international incident of gargantuan proportions.


24 posted on 11/10/2010 12:58:20 PM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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To: Gargantua

And just like TWA 587 which was brought down by a shoe-bomber sitting over a wing.


25 posted on 11/10/2010 12:58:43 PM PST by ez ("Abashed the devil stood and felt how awful goodness is." - Milton, Paradise Lost)
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To: vrwc1

Shut up.


26 posted on 11/10/2010 12:59:57 PM PST by The KG9 Kid
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To: Yo-Yo

Contrailscience.com (Anonymous Blog)


27 posted on 11/10/2010 1:00:06 PM PST by jimbo123
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To: Gargantua
A jet contrail from an aircraft coming basically straight at you would appear vertical as it approached in the distance. Eventually it would pass overhead and across your position until it left a trail on behind you.

View this still, taken from the video, of the last moments it was visible. The contrail below is breaking up and dissipating as the missile disappears straight above not leaving a contrail crossing overhead.

28 posted on 11/10/2010 1:00:19 PM PST by TigersEye (Who crashed the markets on 9/28/08 and why?)
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To: sappy

TWA 587...shoe bomber.


29 posted on 11/10/2010 1:00:28 PM PST by ez ("Abashed the devil stood and felt how awful goodness is." - Milton, Paradise Lost)
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To: Gargantua

Now we know for sure that Jack Cashill and Ray Lahr were 1,000,000% Correct in saying the Missile(s) took down TWA 800 and Clintoon covered up the Horrendous Act of War to save his pathetic BASS!


30 posted on 11/10/2010 1:00:49 PM PST by True Republican Patriot (May GOD Continue to BLESS Our Greatest President :George W. Bush!!)
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To: Gargantua

Now we know for sure that Jack Cashill and Ray Lahr were 1,000,000% Correct in saying the Missile(s) took down TWA 800 and Clintoon covered up the Horrendous Act of War to save his pathetic BASS!


31 posted on 11/10/2010 1:01:04 PM PST by True Republican Patriot (May GOD Continue to BLESS Our Greatest President :George W. Bush!!)
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To: Gargantua

Now we know for sure that Jack Cashill and Ray Lahr were 1,000,000% Correct in saying the Missile(s) took down TWA 800 and Clintoon covered up the Horrendous Act of War to save his pathetic BASS!


32 posted on 11/10/2010 1:01:26 PM PST by True Republican Patriot (May GOD Continue to BLESS Our Greatest President :George W. Bush!!)
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From Lame Cherry

...the contrail has only one central plume. That means a single engine jet of immense thrust to produce this type of even residual trail. Trails like this take time to bloom out, and as one can easily see the sun is highlighting the focal object moving at angle which no jet flies at.

There are no lights on this object in the twilight which would show up. ...the contrail is under the one, meaning it is lower and can not have formed a contrail and the other is above the sirus cloud formation meaning this plume is gaining altitude, which jets do not do as sirus are high cloud formations.

This is a missile with one very large rocket propelling it as it arcs in sways guided by it's gyroscope on course. This is not Space Shuttle quality or American quality guidance. This is a foreign missile.

What is the problem America is the US warning systems did not detect the mother craft whether it was a submarine or dump craft (something offloaded from a cargo ship and used as a platform to launch the missile later). In the old days, Americans used to pick up crawl tracks off California which were made by Soviets launching underwater tanks doing all sorts of war provoking things America tried to ignore so not to start a nuclear war.

NORAD did not detect this system, and NORAD did not detect the launch, nor have an ability to track it. link

33 posted on 11/10/2010 1:01:26 PM PST by opentalk
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To: Gargantua

The Pentagon and the Federal government are never gonna tell us what it was. So why do we continue to bitch about it?


34 posted on 11/10/2010 1:02:26 PM PST by Wee-Weed Up
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To: Slicksadick

That contrail leaves the top of the picture frame. Show where it ends.


35 posted on 11/10/2010 1:02:33 PM PST by TigersEye (Who crashed the markets on 9/28/08 and why?)
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To: CharlesWayneCT

>>TWA Flight 800 was not shot out of the sky.<<

...and terrorists flew planes into the twin towers.

Do you see the logical fallacy here?

Good.


36 posted on 11/10/2010 1:02:59 PM PST by RobRoy (The US Today: Revelation 18:4)
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To: Yo-Yo
Note how the sun is illuminating the underside of these jet contrails you have posted; just as I said it would had this other item been a jet. Also, these are contrails of jets shortly after takeoff.

The explanation we are receiving is that this is a jet coming back from Japan or from across the Pacific. In other words, it would have been a continuously dminishing-toward-the-horizon con-trail.

None of which alters the lighting discrepancy. There is no way that the recent footage is that of a jet returning from across the pacific. If it were, the sun would have been lighting up the underside of the con-trail, not along its right-hand-edge.

Period. Nice try, but your imagination has outstripped your powers of observation.

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37 posted on 11/10/2010 1:02:59 PM PST by Gargantua ("Palin ~ Bachmann 2012"... Just call it "Pa-Bach!")
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To: Doulos1

I doubt the FAA said that. I think the writer is mistaken.


38 posted on 11/10/2010 1:03:22 PM PST by ltc8k6
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To: Gargantua
I think that you are all making this too complicated.

Here's a diagram of what actually happened:


See, how easy was that? You're welcome.
39 posted on 11/10/2010 1:03:28 PM PST by evets (beer)
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To: The KG9 Kid
Bite huge pig mung, loser.

8^D

40 posted on 11/10/2010 1:03:57 PM PST by Gargantua ("Palin ~ Bachmann 2012"... Just call it "Pa-Bach!")
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To: Gargantua

No, you.


41 posted on 11/10/2010 1:04:22 PM PST by The KG9 Kid
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To: CharlesWayneCT

Please ignore my post 36. A liberal that can’t read commandeered my keyboard. That’s my story, and I’m sticking to it!


42 posted on 11/10/2010 1:04:40 PM PST by RobRoy (The US Today: Revelation 18:4)
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To: RobRoy

Robroy, the great expert on all things that fly.

How’s that WH job these days?

Clogging up the internet with propaganda.

Problem is we can see the exhaust from the engine or rocket motor. Which BTW is not possible for an aircraft heading towards the camera.


43 posted on 11/10/2010 1:05:21 PM PST by stockpirate ("......When the government fears the people you have liberty." Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Doulos1

You cite the World Socialist Website for a source? I guess I missed the sarcasm tag...

And there was a flight in that area at the time.


44 posted on 11/10/2010 1:06:04 PM PST by linear
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To: ltc8k6
"Many of them would certainly have filmed or photographed it."

I guess you missed the video we're discussing? The "witnesses" did "film" it, and that "film" is what we're discussing. Lay off the Ny-Quil, you'll be much sharper. I promise.

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45 posted on 11/10/2010 1:06:12 PM PST by Gargantua ("Palin ~ Bachmann 2012"... Just call it "Pa-Bach!")
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To: RobRoy
A liberal that can’t read commandeered my keyboard. That’s my story, and I’m sticking to it!

Stick to it! It holds as much water as your errant contrail hypothesis.
46 posted on 11/10/2010 1:06:39 PM PST by SpinnerWebb (In 2012 you will awaken from your HOPEnosis and have no recollection of this... "Constitution")
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To: Yo-Yo

Oh crap! They launched one in Michigan too?! How the he!! did the Chicoms get a sub into the great lakes?!


47 posted on 11/10/2010 1:07:48 PM PST by RobRoy (The US Today: Revelation 18:4)
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To: Gargantua

Many of the airline pilots and ship captains in the area filmed it? Cool! Can’t wait to hear from them. They will certainly know a contrail when they see one. :-)


48 posted on 11/10/2010 1:08:17 PM PST by ltc8k6
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To: cripplecreek
"I’m not exactly sure what the government is supposed to be hiding here."

As a hypothetical? What if that was a dummy missile launched as a chest-thumping demonstration by a Chinese nuclear sub off the coast of California? I'm not positing that that's what it was, just laying out one answer to what I balieve was your question... why would the Government want to lie about its being a missile.

That's one reason they'd want to lie, and there are at least a hundred others that I could come up with.

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49 posted on 11/10/2010 1:10:35 PM PST by Gargantua ("Palin ~ Bachmann 2012"... Just call it "Pa-Bach!")
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To: Gargantua

Do you have a real link?


50 posted on 11/10/2010 1:10:46 PM PST by BenLurkin (This post is not a statement of fact. It is merely a personal opinion -- or humor -- or both)
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