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Beloved police partner (Crown Vick) headed for retirement
Boston.Com ^ | 11/14/2010

Posted on 11/14/2010 10:37:47 AM PST by llevrok

Medford police Officer Jason Montalbano loves his Crown Victoria, its bulk, its toughness, its engine’s quiet purr. He takes his police cruiser to the car wash at least three times a week. He dangles a yellow “Vanillaroma’’ scent tree from the console to mask the stench of stogies smoked by the overnight patrol officers. And sometimes, late at night when the city is quiet, Montalbano, the son of a cop, will take the 250-horsepower sedan out onto Interstate 93 and hit the gas until he is flying down the open road.

Like his father and thousands of other officers across the country, Montalbano is a diehard Crown Vic devotee. For more than 30 years, the hulking, blunt, long-nosed car has been an officer’s battering ram, mobile office, dinner companion, and stoic partner. But now, that love affair is headed toward the scrap yard.

In 2011, the last Crown Vic will roll off the Ford assembly line to make way for a new police vehicle — the 2012 Ford Interceptor, a sleek cruiser with all-wheel drive, better gas mileage, and new gadgets, such as rearview cameras and radar sensors that detect vehicles in surrounding lanes. As the Crown Vics wear out, police departments will have to look for new options, and that realization has left some officers feeling despondent.

“Ford is making a big mistake,’’ said Quincy Officer Mike Foley, who has been driving Crown Vics for at least 12 years. “I will probably shed a tear when the last Crown Vic goes down the assembly line.’’

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TOPICS: Business/Economy
KEYWORDS: automakers; automobile; ford; fordmotor; leo; police

1 posted on 11/14/2010 10:37:49 AM PST by llevrok
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To: llevrok

Officer Jason Montalbano and his Crown Victoria, long a police favorite.


2 posted on 11/14/2010 10:40:45 AM PST by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet - Visualize)
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To: llevrok

2007 Ford Crown Victoria Police Interceptor


3 posted on 11/14/2010 10:45:31 AM PST by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet - Visualize)
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To: llevrok

Before the Crown Vic it was the Matador and Dodge Pursuit.

For some reason Dodge dropped out. They wanted to make a comeback with the Magnum but I don’t think there were a lot of takers.

You can’t hang to a frame forever. I assume when the Crown Vix ends so does the Mercury Grand Marquis.

Unless you own one you don’t realize how BIG those suckers are (I get one from time to time in my weekly rentals)!


4 posted on 11/14/2010 10:46:08 AM PST by freedumb2003 (IMHO)
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To: llevrok

All wheel drive will be great for we who live in the Northern states.


5 posted on 11/14/2010 10:47:00 AM PST by Pontiac
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To: llevrok
If I were a cop, I'd lobby my management for one of these bad boys: http://www.carbonmotors.com/
6 posted on 11/14/2010 10:47:47 AM PST by Adams (Fight on!)
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To: freedumb2003

I have a a Mercury Grand Marquis. I love it. They are lighter than the Lincoln Continental; but it does the job.


7 posted on 11/14/2010 10:53:07 AM PST by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: Adams
I thought you were parodying GM and the Chevy Volt at first glance. I had already been thinking about the Volt and battery powered police helo's.

Convert your getaway car to biodiesel and the police wouldn't have a chance. (yeah, I know, not 100% electric...)

8 posted on 11/14/2010 10:54:53 AM PST by Calvin Locke
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To: llevrok
And sometimes, late at night when the city is quiet, Montalbano, the son of a cop, will take the 250-horsepower sedan out onto Interstate 93 and hit the gas until he is flying down the open road.

When non-cops do that it's called "speeding".

9 posted on 11/14/2010 10:55:19 AM PST by Poison Pill
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To: llevrok

Anyone know anything about the 2012 Ford Interceptor?


10 posted on 11/14/2010 10:55:52 AM PST by Parley Baer
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To: Pontiac
Cops and cabbies put on too many miles to justify the expense of AWD. Rear wheel drive is be best for those of us who want our cops to be able to operate in high performance situations. The Vic can only be replaced with another rear wheel drive.
11 posted on 11/14/2010 10:56:52 AM PST by kbennkc (For those who have fought for it freedom has a flavor the protected will never know .F Trp 8th Cav)
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To: Poison Pill

Some are more equal.


12 posted on 11/14/2010 10:57:09 AM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: freekitty

>>They are lighter than the Lincoln Continental; but it does the job.<<

Thus proving everything is relative... :)


13 posted on 11/14/2010 10:57:13 AM PST by freedumb2003 (IMHO)
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To: llevrok

Of my 22 years as a peace officer in TX, 20 of them was spent behind the wheel of Crown Vic’s. They will be missed! But I have to add that the new V8 Chargers run circles around the old Vic.


14 posted on 11/14/2010 11:18:47 AM PST by Dusty Road
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To: freedumb2003

“Before the Crown Vic it was the Matador and Dodge Pursuit.”

Back when RWD was the norm, all different cars were used by police. Smaller ones like the Dart/Valiant would be employed for city use, and the full-sizers for highway patrol.

“For some reason Dodge dropped out. They wanted to make a comeback with the Magnum but I don’t think there were a lot of takers.”

Chrysler had the M-body Diplomat and Gran Fury through 1989, but then gave up on the police market until the Magnum. I actually do see a fair number of police Magnums, so it’s not as uncommon as you think.

“Unless you own one you don’t realize how BIG those suckers are”

The Crown Vic is considered a full-sized car by today’s standards, but back in the ‘70s it would have been mid-sized. You only need to have seen the LTD and Marquis of that era to know what I mean.


15 posted on 11/14/2010 11:28:08 AM PST by Strk321
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To: llevrok
About time the Police of all people need to get politicaly correct. So maybe they can switch to something like this:

16 posted on 11/14/2010 11:40:29 AM PST by Kartographer (".. we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes, and our sacred honor.")
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To: llevrok

I won’t shed any tears. The Fords were dogs for years, and were eclipsed by the Chevy Caprice and later, the Dodge Charger. The Charger has much more get up and go than any of the Crown Vics.


17 posted on 11/14/2010 12:09:45 PM PST by CASchack
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To: llevrok

“All wheel drive” is usually just marketer-speak for “front wheel drive.”

Yeah, they throw a little power to the rear, but not much.

This Taurus...err..Interceptor is not going to succeed, I’d guess. Not when agencies can buy the Dodge Charger, or GM’s new RWD Caprice.


18 posted on 11/14/2010 12:15:57 PM PST by B Knotts (Just another Tenther)
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To: llevrok
...late at night when the city is quiet, Montalbano, the son of a cop, will take the 250-horsepower sedan out onto Interstate 93 and hit the gas until he is flying down the open road.

And he doesn't have to worry about getting a ticket. Laws are for the little people.

19 posted on 11/14/2010 12:18:32 PM PST by Fresh Wind
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To: CASchack

“The Charger has much more get up and go than any of the Crown Vics.”

Much newer design. The Crown Vic goes back to 1992.


20 posted on 11/14/2010 12:18:40 PM PST by Strk321
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To: Strk321

Even further than that...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Panther_platform


21 posted on 11/14/2010 1:03:41 PM PST by FLAMING DEATH (Are you better off than you were $4 trillion ago?)
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To: Fresh Wind

Notice how all the cops on this thread are ignoring that little tidbit.


22 posted on 11/14/2010 1:25:28 PM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Pontiac

1962 Super duty, now that is a police car that demanded respect in my misspent youth.

23 posted on 11/14/2010 2:12:19 PM PST by kbennkc (For those who have fought for it freedom has a flavor the protected will never know .F Trp 8th Cav)
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To: FLAMING DEATH

The post-1991 Crown Vic/Grand Marquis didn’t use the original Panther platform, but a heavily modified version. They also dropped the 5.0L pushrod V8 in favor of a new OHC aluminum engine.


24 posted on 11/14/2010 2:12:32 PM PST by Strk321
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To: Strk321; freedumb2003

“Chrysler had the M-body Diplomat and Gran Fury through 1989, but then gave up on the police market until the Magnum.”

Yep, except that the Fury was the Fury II after 1980, a totally different frame size. They moved down to the so called “mid” sized frame which the Crown Vic is also a member of, as you have already mentioned. I think that they limited the engine to 318 largest, in the Fury II also? I don’t remember seeing anything but 318s in them, (Fury IIs).

IIRC you could get the Fury OEM in all current MoPar engine sizes, until the very last years, where it was limited in OEM to 318.


25 posted on 11/14/2010 2:15:24 PM PST by warm n fuzzy (Really)
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To: warm n fuzzy

“Yep, except that the Fury was the Fury II after 1980, a totally different frame size. They moved down to the so called “mid” sized frame which the Crown Vic is also a member of, as you have already mentioned. I think that they limited the engine to 318 largest, in the Fury II also? I don’t remember seeing anything but 318s in them, (Fury IIs).”

The M-body Gran Fury had been sold in Canada since 1977 as the Caravelle. It was brought to the US in 1982 and sold along with the Diplomat/Fifth Avenue through 1989. These were actually midsized cars that were smaller than the Crown Vic. They were originally offered with a Slant Six, 318 V8 (either two or four-bbl carburetor), and 360 V8.

Civilian M-bodies used only two-bbl 318s from 1984-89 (six-cylinder engines were dropped in 1983), while the four-bbl version continued in police cars. The 360 was not officially available as a factory option after 1979, but some police M-bodies were nonetheless equipped with them.


26 posted on 11/14/2010 2:51:07 PM PST by Strk321
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To: llevrok

Before the Crown Vic was the LTD. I owned a ‘75 LTD for years, best and favorite car I ever owned, rode nice and crushed econo boxes with ease.


27 posted on 11/14/2010 2:54:27 PM PST by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: Strk321

I started driving Crown Vics in 1982. They were redesigned for the 1992 model year with the 4.6 OHC. The Crown Vics lagged behind the Chevy Caprices during the 90s, when both were at similar design ages, and now the Charger has eclipsed the CV as well.


28 posted on 11/14/2010 3:00:35 PM PST by CASchack
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To: llevrok

Did you find this on fark?


29 posted on 11/14/2010 3:16:24 PM PST by MinorityRepublican
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To: MinorityRepublican

Fark, yes.


30 posted on 11/14/2010 3:53:22 PM PST by llevrok (Born a ham but never cured)
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To: Strk321

>>The Crown Vic is considered a full-sized car by today’s standards, but back in the ‘70s it would have been mid-sized. You only need to have seen the LTD and Marquis of that era to know what I mean.<<

Like I said, I rent every week so it seems big to me. But I had to look back.

In college I had a 1969 Buick Wildcat (God, I loved that car — Frankenstein/pea soup green with a black landau roof and the big engine option (430?) — all the electrical everythings...

Anyway, I used my Google Fu and the best I have been able to come up with is my Wildcat had a wheelbase of 123” and a length of 214” vs. the ‘long’ Crown Vic wheelbase of 114” and length of 211”.

But everything I have seen has suggested the Wildcat was considered a pretty large car.

Just for the heck of it, I Googled up the 1969 Cadillac Eldorado — wheelbase 120” but length 221” — 10 inches longer than the Wildcat but certainly not a major step up.

Ah memories — that Wildcat was a powerful SOB. Too bad it “died” of artheriosclerosis. Too many years of prior owners not taking care of the cooling system.


31 posted on 11/14/2010 3:59:20 PM PST by freedumb2003 (IMHO)
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To: driftdiver
That's because most of the cops can read and realize it was the son of COP making that statement.
32 posted on 11/14/2010 4:55:42 PM PST by Dusty Road
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To: Dusty Road

Most except this one. Please ignore my comment.


33 posted on 11/14/2010 4:58:11 PM PST by Dusty Road
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To: Dusty Road

Ahh so once again the answer is to get insulting.


34 posted on 11/14/2010 5:30:52 PM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Fresh Wind

Its funny, every night on my way to work five or six state troopers are on their way back to the barracks, doing 85 down the MA Pike. Some night I am going to pull in behind them and see if I can do 85-90 from Sturbridge to Framingham.

No, i do not have a ton of respect for the cop on the beat. And no, I do not think they protect us all that much.

For the most part, they are arrogant punks with a badge and permission to give people a hard time.


35 posted on 11/14/2010 5:38:34 PM PST by Vermont Lt (We are so screwed.)
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To: count-your-change

“Before the Crown Vic was the LTD. I owned a ‘75 LTD for years, best and favorite car I ever owned, rode nice and crushed econo boxes with ease.”

Yes, the huge LTD of 1969-78. When GM downsized their big cars in ‘77, Ford scoffed at them, saying that they would never sell and that buyers wanted “road-hugging weight”. The smaller Caprice (and its cousins) sold in huge numbers, and Ford was obliged to follow suit. Thus the Panther platform LTD was born in 1979.

Chrysler’s financial troubles prevented them from following a similar path. They got rid of their 1974-vintage Monaco/Gran Fury/Newport/New Yorker in 1977-78, but were left without a full-sized car when they were selling well (600,000 Caprice/Impalas in 1978). Since Chrysler was unable to afford a totally new design, their only response was to simply take the midsized Monaco/Fury and give them a new body. The R-body Newport/New Yorker/St. Regis/Gran Fury cut a poor figure against the Caprice and LTD and was laid to rest in 1981.


36 posted on 11/14/2010 5:40:54 PM PST by Strk321
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To: llevrok

Crown Vic’s are very cool...They make a freeway pursuit Crown Vic’s with full roll cages.


37 posted on 11/14/2010 5:52:39 PM PST by dragnet2
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To: Vermont Lt

“Its funny, every night on my way to work five or six state troopers are on their way back to the barracks, doing 85 down the MA Pike. Some night I am going to pull in behind them and see if I can do 85-90 from Sturbridge to Framingham.”

Reminds me of a hilarious story I read on a car forum once. Guy says that he used to have a big-block ‘71 Caprice that he would use to tear past the highway patrol at 83 mph. They just ignored him because there was no way their emissions-choked St. Regises (this was in about 1982) could catch up. He said that it pays to know your enemy.

“No, i do not have a ton of respect for the cop on the beat. And no, I do not think they protect us all that much.”

I’ve heard this a lot from the hardcore 2nd Amendment advocates. They’ll tell you that if a guy is breaking into your house, you’d better have a gun handy because by the time you call 911 and the cops arrive, you and your family will be dead and/or raped. Connecticut home invasion, anyone?


38 posted on 11/14/2010 5:53:52 PM PST by Strk321
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To: Dusty Road

My apologies and I’ve already chewed my own ass out.


39 posted on 11/14/2010 5:57:32 PM PST by Dusty Road
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To: llevrok
Crown Victoria, its bulk, its toughness, its engine’s quiet purr.... the 250-horsepower sedan

the 2012 Ford Interceptor, a sleek cruiser with all-wheel drive, better gas mileage Power increased by a massive 13 horsepowers and it's E85 compatible!

Meanwhile

2011 "Caprice" PPV 355 horsepowers and a proper rear wheel drive car.

40 posted on 11/15/2010 12:37:06 PM PST by Oztrich Boy (History repeats itself, first as tragedy, second as farce - Karl Marx)
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To: Strk321

Good info, thanks.

I understand that you know this stuff.

MoPar wasn’t making it it easy.

Gran Fury wise 1974- 1977 they used the C body.

Turns out that 1980-81, after a three year hiatus without any production, MoPar used the R body, (the old B body).

Then, till 1989 they used the M body.


41 posted on 11/15/2010 1:34:33 PM PST by warm n fuzzy (Really)
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To: llevrok
Montalbano, the son of a cop, will take the 250-horsepower sedan out onto Interstate 93 and hit the gas until he is flying down the open road.

This idiot should lose his badge for it, too.

42 posted on 11/15/2010 1:36:37 PM PST by Lurker (The avalanche has begun. The pebbles no longer have a vote.)
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To: warm n fuzzy

“MoPar wasn’t making it it easy.”

Yes, nonstop badge-shifting was supposed to improve sales but rarely did.

“Gran Fury wise 1974- 1977 they used the C body.”

This generation had the unfortunate luck to arrive in showrooms during the autumn of 1973 when the oil embargo hit. The Newport/New Yorker sold decently, but the Dodge and Plymouth versions found few takers except police and taxi services.

“Turns out that 1980-81, after a three year hiatus without any production, MoPar used the R body, (the old B body).”

The 1971-vintage B-bodies (Coronet and Satellite) lasted through 1978. Satellite became Fury in 1975 and the Coronet Monaco in ‘77 (while the big C-bodies became Royal Monaco and Gran Fury). Like their full-sized cousins, they found few non-fleet buyers by the end.

Since as I said, Chrysler could not afford a total redesign, they just took the old B platform (which dated back to 1962) and put new bodies on it, creating the R-body Newport/New Yorker/St. Regis of 1979-81. They also had an R-body Gran Fury in ‘80-81.

“Then, till 1989 they used the M body.”

Which was an upscale Aspen with slightly different styling. The M-bodies were originally compacts, but by the ‘80s were considered midsized as cars got smaller everywhere. So in 1982, they simply brought the Plymouth M-body down from Canada and sold it as the Gran Fury.


43 posted on 11/15/2010 2:02:46 PM PST by Strk321
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To: Oztrich Boy
I seem to recall another Ford based Interceptor.


44 posted on 11/15/2010 2:20:00 PM PST by xp38
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To: llevrok

I’ve always been a fan of the 1974 Dodge Monaco equipped with the Police Package - It’s got a cop motor, a 440 cubic inch plant, it’s got cop tires, cop suspensions, cop shocks. It’s a model made before catalytic converters so it’ll run good on regular gas.


45 posted on 11/16/2010 3:00:36 PM PST by GreenHornet
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To: Kartographer

46 posted on 11/16/2010 3:06:46 PM PST by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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