FReeper advice needed: newborn with middle ear infection.

26 DEC 10 | dcbryan1

[Marylander]

Find a specialist, find a way to pay for it. Otherwise you are likely to go up time-wasting and money-wasting blind alleys. The time-wasting is the most important thing since you and I and the nurse-practioner, general practitioner have no idea of what is going on inside that ear.

[ElectionInspector]

Olive oil in the ear

... wouldn’t second guess your experience, but with our 10 mo old with raging ear infections from his orphanage the pediatrician was giving antiboitics and suggested the homeopathic remedy at the same time of * garlic oil * which cleared ears up in a few days after no change for weeks with the antibiotics... might be worth a try, noticable smell, but put in and then small cotton ball to keep it in, and it may do the trick for your little guy... good luck

ymmv

[surrey]

Same with my 35 year old son. Many, many ear infections every year. It got so, the only way i knew he had an infection was I would see him pulling on his ear. He got so used to the pain that it was only a minor inconvenience for him. Turned out, that he had a hole in the eardrum that no one ever saw because of the constant inflammation. He had a patch put in and he’s been good to go for about 18 years.

[abigailsmybaby]

My daughter had an infection in her left ear so bad that pus was oozing out. She hadn’t even complained. The pus was what clued me in. lol We were just amazed at how she could tolerate that.

[leapfrog0202]

Please let us know how he’s doing.

I read the thread since shortly after you posted, but immediately people jumped in saying do not put anything into his ear canal when fluid is coming out so I didn’t say anything.

Our youngest daughter had her eardrum rupture 3 times in all because as someone else said, the pain just became routine to her and by the time she said anything, it was past the point of help. She had tubes twice and a few holes in her eardrum from the rupturing and of course, the drum was thinned because of that. She recovered just fine and didn’t even need a patch - in fact she was good enough to enter the Marines.

Her son - BREASTFED for 2 years - also had the same issues and his ear drum ruptured once, once the tubes that had been inserted regrew into his eardrum and had to be surgically removed and he’s had 3 skin grafts to patch his ear drums. The 3rd graft finally got the last of the teeny, tiny holes and he’s been good now for 2 years (he’s almost 8).

So while tubes is routine these days, there are always things that can occur like my grandson experienced. Although my oldest did not have tubes while my youngest did and my oldest ended up in speech therapy for 5 years because her speech was so delayed due to inner ear infections.

So good luck, take care of that sweet boy and try to get some sleep tonight! Give him hugs and kisses from all the concerned FReepers!

[Fire_on_High]

While I generally agree with a fair bit of what you said...that Hep B isn't generally needed (but useful for those going into the healthcare fields who are more likely to be exposed), that it's better to wait a bit, I feel I'd be remiss not to address one point you made.

I have read much about vaccinations and some “side effects” listed for certain shots— that there can be piercing screams for hours after vaccination. Why? Unbelievable!!! Screaming that is unresponsive to a parent’s soothing is very unnatural for any baby unless something is causing enormous pain.

I'm not sure I'd read as much into this as you do. I recently had a tetanus booster, and starting about that evening, my arm was *quite* sore for several days. Perfectly ignorable as an adult, knowing there was no injury that needed to be protected til it healed and having gotten far worse from sparring, both with and without gear.

For a baby, whose inexperienced nervous system HASN'T dealt with pain much? I don't doubt they'd be howling!

[cva66snipe]

Glad to hear the doctors coming by. Watch the temp close. Feverol {sp} seizures are a heart stopper for parents. Temps can spike real fast. If the kid turns blue, lethargic, and jaw is clinched yep that's likely one. It's the body's way of cooling down sort of a built in safety. But seek emergency responders immediately if it does happen. Just saying so you don't get the living wits scared out of you. I learned about them the hard way LOL.

The crying two likely reasons. One is obvious PAIN. The other is ear infections can make ambient noises seem very, very, loud. Plus added to that it can make them very dizzy and nauseous as well.

[savagesusie]

The Hep B vaccination is the one for infants which I think is completely ludicrous in a sane society. Why expose those babies to all the toxins when there is absolutely no way they will get the Hep B virus. Three vaccinations, starting at one day old—unbelievable stupidity and ignorance on part of parents and doctors.

The pharmaceutical companies make millions off of mandatory programs. The third world countries where these shots might be necessary do not pay for their development, thus they have to force rich countries to pay for it.

If it wasn’t mandatory and pushed by ignorant pediatricians who know nothing about neurological effects of toxins in body, no one in America would get the shot.

There are many doctors, who, of course, are vilified by fascist government and Alinsky-ited, who say it is harmful to infants to receive certain vaccinations, especially when their bodies are not able to excrete the known toxins that are in every vaccination. Those toxins can attack the brain and since a baby can’t talk that is why I think the pharmaceutical companies push for early vaccination. The pain or autism or development problems can always be assigned to “other” things.

It is revealing that the more vaccinated our children are, the more sickly our children become. Compared to all other nations we have the highest levels of vaccinations and the highest level of developmental problems.

But the fascist thing about this is the inability for any debate on the subject of vaccination and autoimmune diseases or even autism. Any doctor who dares to bring up the issue or even point to concern, is silenced and vilified.

You would almost think there is a marxist in chief who wants to incapacitate and create a intellectually deficient, sterile population who needs nanny care and drugs for all their lives. Hmmm. I’ve always been a skeptic and would never trust any government that mandated vaccinations.

[CitizenM]

Aren't you lucky to have a Doc who will stop by the house!!! He must be pretty great. He is right about the ER and it is good you have the alternative. I did think and I think I mentioned it, not to put the oil in if there was still discharge. But, that is not a bad remedy when no discharge and it does ease the pain for your child. I would always, however, use the "Sweet oil" that you can get at the pharmacy, when available.

So glad you have a compassionate doc who is willing to come to your home...but you better feed him well, LOL.

[higgmeister]

I called a family friend who is an ER pediatrican...

Why are you asking for advice from strangers on a News forum if you already have a friend that can give direct professional help?

[higgmeister]

I called a family friend who is an ER pediatrican and he said that he had NEVER heard of olive oil as a remedy, but heard that blacks like to use something called "sweet water", but doesn't suggest its use.

Your implications seem very offensive to me. A decent person wouldn't denigrate a person that is only trying to help you in a very stressful situation.

[kara37]

I second the Colloidal Silver. It worked like a charm on both my kids. You can get it at any health store.

[DCBryan1]

Anyways, for those that care, little boy goes into DR. office this AM for checkup in 30 minutes. (830 CST). Dr. friend stopped by and said that the ear ruptured, that was a good thing, just a little pus, not putrid, and very common, and checked him out. No fever, just a little pain, and to keep course with Tylenol and antibiotics.

He also prescribed alcolhol for the new parents ;)

For those that can't get over the "black nurse" comment, get over it. .....professional friend has no opinion of olive oil, thats why I posted the thread. He mentioned that here in the south that the black culture used "sweet water" or "sweet oil"...terms I've never heard of and a remedy that I was suspect of.

If my wife and I lived in Miami and the nurse at the doctor exchange said to spread chicken bones on a plate and read them to the baby, I'd be calling friends, posting on FR, and second guessing the creole nurse, black nurse, whatever her creed...ESPECIALLY WHEN HER PREVIOUS ADVICE WAS ADVERSE TO THE HEALTH OF THE BABY.......but since you don't care to read my post, and would rather read more into it, go ahead.

BTW....we interview a black nanny Thursday....has the most experience, is a retired RN, etc, so don't thrown the race card at me.

Oh, and if your offended, GOOD. I love offending people since you have never, and will never have a right to NOT be offended.

Thanks to those FRiends for advice and prayers, to hell with the rest of you.

[Jemian]

Thank you for the update. I’m glad the doc checked him out yesterday and will see the baby again the AM. Please update us again. Those of us who have had babies know that the best we do is hold them up in prayer and try to make educated guesses asking God to guide us.

Do take that alcohol. It won’t make parenting any easier but it might make it more fun. LOL!

[Kevlight]

We have done extensive research on the causes of ear infections and have found the strongest link to lack of daylight exposure. Independent studies confirm these findings both on a seasonal and environmental level (areas with air pollution have reported significantly higher rates of ear infections) The mechanism by which sunlight wards off ear infections is through the production of hydrogen peroxide by the melanin that is found in high concentrations in the inner ear. Hydrogen peroxide is a proven disinfectant. Melanin also acts to improve the acoustics in the inner ear. If possible expose your baby to sunlight. If you are concerned about the wind and cold or there is not a lot of available sunlight where you live there is a product UV-Aid, a light source developed for this purpose. Either way, I hope this post opens your eyes to the underlying cause of your child's ear infection. Today 9 out of 10 children will get an ear infection before the age of 6. Human genetics have not changed to cause this pandemic, our life styles and living environment have.

[DCBryan1]

Thanks and welcome to FR!

[Fire_on_High]

As I said, I agree that one’s unnecessary, except for those working in the medical fields. I’m also not too crazy about things like the chicken pox vaccine, or some of the others, but DPT/TDaP and MMR I support, absolutely.

The smart thing to do would be wait a bit longer instead of going at it before the newborn even goes home, and emphasize the more serious diseases only.

Yes, I know chicken pox CAN have nasty complications, but the risk seems to me to be far higher if you get a vaccine as an infant or schoolkid, which protects you at the time it’s generally a nuisance then wears off around college age, which is generally when it becomes considerably more serious and prone to complications!

Another example if I remember correctly...a vaccine against some sort of infant diarrhea that turned out to cause intestinal blockages due to intussusception. Again, sure the original problem can be messy, inconvenient, even dangerous...but the vaccine was more dangerous, in the end.

Vaccinations by themselves are a good thing, a very good thing, but this eagerness to pump a kid full of them to prevent every mildly annoying illness, rather than only the extremely damaging ones, strikes me as ill thought out.

[savagesusie]

I will agree that certain vaccinations are necessary. The early age is what is really unsettling. That vaccinations are pushed at younger and younger ages when their maturation and the brain barrier are crucial elements in enabling children to excrete toxins—and neurologists understand the importance of that maturation, it appears a crime of the worst degree to give the Hep B vaccination to healthy infants at day one.....a crime. There are known toxins in each shot and they demand 3 of those d*mn things. Those doctors should be put in jail.

And the diarrhea one—designed for 3rd world countries again—but needed to force it on the wealthy countries to make money off it.

It is disgusting how the government is in league with the pharmaceutical companies...it is a crime actually. Where is the Hippocratic oath when you need it????? Politicians and doctors are bought off by the pharmaceutical companies and making our children the sickest on the planet. More vaccinations=sicker kids. Probably intentional since Gates and the works want 3 billion less people on the planet...maybe they are hoping for mass sterilization or in creating dysfunctional children who will not breed. I wouldn’t put it past those in DC right now.

Every vaccination should be assessed by the parents and they should have the right to vaccinate or not. Government needs to keep out of it. The only thing they should be doing is keeping sick people out of this country and we know how successful/not they have been at that.

The trouble is that all material that is contrary to the pharmaceutical companies agenda is censored. Physicians get vilified and marginalized and refused grants if they even come close to saying vaccinations are dangerous or not needed.

[constitutiongirl]

I’m glad that your little man is on the mend. God bless!

[Jemian]

How is your baby doing now? I’m still concerned (although I do remember that my kids could get very sick very quickly and then recover just as quickly. I would feel like a fool for getting all upset. LOL! Take the alcohol!).