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Naming a son Barack Hussein Obama was illegal under Hawaii Law in 1961
Google Books ^ | 1860 | Hawaiian Government

Posted on 01/21/2011 10:43:11 PM PST by bushpilot1

Section 2. All children born in wedlock after the passage of this Act shall have their father’s name as a family name.

They shall, besides, have a Christian name suitable to their sex.

Section 3.. All illegitimate children born after the passage of this Act shall have their mother’s name as a family name. They shall, besides, have a. Christian name suitable to their sex.

This law was in effect until 1967. Barack and Hussein are Semitic words, they are not Christian. They are not from the English language.

How is it possible the birth certificate displayed is legal when the name is illegal.

What is real his real name? Where was he born?

All of this does not really matter..his father is a foreigner. He can never be a natural born citizen. It sure would be nice to know his real name

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1 posted on 01/21/2011 10:43:15 PM PST by bushpilot1
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To: LucyT

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2 posted on 01/21/2011 10:45:29 PM PST by porter_knorr (John Adams would be arrested for his thoughts on tyrants today!)
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To: porter_knorr

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3 posted on 01/21/2011 10:48:31 PM PST by Publius6961 ("In 1964 the War on Poverty Began --- Poverty won.")
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To: bushpilot1

“Christian name” is just another way of saying “first name”. Hawaii is saying all birth certificates must have a first name for the child

Yeah might be hard to believe (with all the atheism we have these days) but back then “Christian name” was just a way of saying “first name”


5 posted on 01/21/2011 10:49:35 PM PST by dennisw (- - - -He who does not economize will have to agonize - - - - - Confucius)
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To: bushpilot1

What’s with all the aliasing around many of the letters?


6 posted on 01/21/2011 10:51:12 PM PST by aruanan
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To: bushpilot1

Race: African????? Definitely NOT 1961 terminology!


7 posted on 01/21/2011 10:53:33 PM PST by XHogPilot
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To: bushpilot1

Christian name is an old-fashioned way of saying “first name”.


8 posted on 01/21/2011 10:53:33 PM PST by Defiant (There is no line on the march towards marxism that Democrats won't cross. Democrat=CPUSA)
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To: Defiant

Christian name is an old-fashioned way of saying “first name”.>>>>

Yup. To not know this shows how much things have changed towards atheists being in charge


9 posted on 01/21/2011 10:56:37 PM PST by dennisw (- - - -He who does not economize will have to agonize - - - - - Confucius)
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To: bushpilot1

“Christian Name” doesn’t mean an English name. In legal documents,a “Christian Name” means one’s given name (first name) while a “Family Name” is the last name. “Christian Names” are unique to the individual while “Family Names” are inherited.


10 posted on 01/21/2011 10:57:08 PM PST by mnehring
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To: bushpilot1

I don’t know what that document you posted is but to the nekkid eye it looks manipulated as all get out. There is something odd with the perspective of the stuff on the right compared to the left. Maybe it is just the way it was photographed.

Somebody smarter than me could make a more technical appraisal I’m sure, but that thing looks weird.

Don’t much matter, his old dead daddy was a British subject that makes him non-American from what I’ve read anywho.


11 posted on 01/21/2011 10:57:25 PM PST by West Texas Chuck (Eat the young, 100 million guppies can't be wrong.)
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To: aruanan

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12 posted on 01/21/2011 10:58:14 PM PST by Kirkwood (Zombie Hunter)
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To: bushpilot1

Of course it is very constitutional for a state to dictate what names you can and cannot name your child.


13 posted on 01/21/2011 10:58:55 PM PST by trumandogz
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To: bushpilot1

Jech v. Burch. 466 F. Supp. 714 - US: Dist. Court, D. Hawaii 1979.

“There is no known case in which the requirements of “a Christian name” that was “suitable to their sex” were ever enforced. One wonders whether Grand Constable Anne de Montmorency, first owner of the Chateau de Chantilly, could have been so named had he been born in Hawaii between 1860 and 1967.”

“Plaintiffs have a Constitutionally protected right to give their own child any surname they choose. The refusal of the registrar of births to accept the surname “Jebef” as the child’s surname is a deprivation under color of state law of a right secured by the Constitution of the United States.”


14 posted on 01/21/2011 11:00:25 PM PST by freedomwarrior998
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To: aruanan

I’m certainly no expert here but taking a digital photo of lettering and saving as a .jpg causes some weird artifacts.

But that doc, whatever it is, looks strange. And, it’s still real “birth certificate” like that nimrod governor is supposed to be looking for.


15 posted on 01/21/2011 11:00:31 PM PST by West Texas Chuck (Eat the young, 100 million guppies can't be wrong.)
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To: West Texas Chuck

Carp, I mean “not” a real BC. Too late and too much Dogfish.


16 posted on 01/21/2011 11:02:02 PM PST by West Texas Chuck (Eat the young, 100 million guppies can't be wrong.)
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To: bushpilot1
This law was in effect until 1967

No it wasn't. It may have been the will of the people. It may have been on the books. But it could not have been in effect, because it's unconstitutional on its face.

Barack and Hussein are Semitic words, they are not Christian.

No law requiring Christian names can be constitutional. The Constitution does not permit the establishment of a state cult.

As for those names being Semitic, that's an insult. They are clearly of the Moon God Religion.


Al-Lat, the Islamic Moon Goddess

Walk around it seven time, then kiss it.

17 posted on 01/21/2011 11:02:24 PM PST by cynwoody
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To: smokingfrog

Now THAT is interesting. Garcias for the post.


18 posted on 01/21/2011 11:05:29 PM PST by West Texas Chuck (Eat the young, 100 million guppies can't be wrong.)
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To: XHogPilot
Race: African????? Definitely NOT 1961 terminology!

Negro .. ! If you called anybody black back then, you had best be in the comforts of your own home .. !

19 posted on 01/21/2011 11:06:21 PM PST by CrickMan
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Bingo!


20 posted on 01/21/2011 11:06:45 PM PST by Danae (Anailnathrach ortha bhais is beatha do cheal deanaimh)
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To: cynwoody

Every time I see that I can’t help but think... OBSCENE.


21 posted on 01/21/2011 11:07:49 PM PST by Danae (Anailnathrach ortha bhais is beatha do cheal deanaimh)
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What is real his real name? Where was he born?

All of this does not really matter..his father is a foreigner.

Thanks, porter_knorr.

22 posted on 01/21/2011 11:08:02 PM PST by LucyT
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To: cynwoody

“Christian name” doesn’t mean the name has to come from christianity. It merely means “first” or “given” name. And they wanted everybody to have a “last” or “family” name too. Probably to ease confusion in recordkeeping.


23 posted on 01/21/2011 11:08:32 PM PST by Ramius (Personally, I give us... one chance in three. More tea?)
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To: CrickMan

We said Black in Hawaii. We had a very close friend there who was black. WONDERFUL guy, he was a very close family friend, and I remember his name like I remember my own. I knew he was black, but then as now, it was irrelevant. I saw the quality of his character, and that was beyond reproach.

Where ever you are Ronnie, and I think it is right next to my Dad in heaven.... there are still people who miss you!


24 posted on 01/21/2011 11:10:58 PM PST by Danae (Anailnathrach ortha bhais is beatha do cheal deanaimh)
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To: bushpilot1

How many times are you going to post this today?


25 posted on 01/21/2011 11:12:09 PM PST by Ramius (Personally, I give us... one chance in three. More tea?)
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To: bushpilot1

There’s never been a law about ethnic or religious origins of infant names that I’m aware of. But there is something else I find suspicious. Wasn’t 1960s terminology for black racial origin “black” or “Negro” as opposed to “African?”


26 posted on 01/21/2011 11:13:26 PM PST by TheDingoAteMyBaby
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To: West Texas Chuck

I don’t know why my post was removed.

Here’s the link to the FR article.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/bloggers/2427265/posts


27 posted on 01/21/2011 11:13:44 PM PST by smokingfrog (BORN free - taxed to DEATH)
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To: dennisw

I think there’s more to it though. If she was unwed, then he would have been Barack Hussein Dunham - not obama.


28 posted on 01/21/2011 11:14:08 PM PST by porter_knorr (John Adams would be arrested for his thoughts on tyrants today!)
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To: cynwoody

What is that thing? It looks like a kitchen drain.


29 posted on 01/21/2011 11:15:19 PM PST by presently no screen name
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To: bushpilot1

bookmark


30 posted on 01/21/2011 11:15:49 PM PST by southland
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To: Ramius
“Christian name” doesn’t mean the name has to come from christianity. It merely means “first” or “given” name. And they wanted everybody to have a “last” or “family” name too. Probably to ease confusion in recordkeeping.

I'm guessing that with all those Hawaiian natives and Japanese...Maybe back then they would not be filling in the Christian name in the birth certificate. Their idea of a first name being different. So the Hawaiian departments of records had to lay down the law

31 posted on 01/21/2011 11:20:52 PM PST by dennisw (- - - -He who does not economize will have to agonize - - - - - Confucius)
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To: bushpilot1

Good grief ... the title is an outright lie.


32 posted on 01/21/2011 11:23:07 PM PST by JustaDumbBlonde (Don't wish doom on your enemies. Plan it.)
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To: porter_knorr

For sure there is something fishy in the Kenyan’s birth certificate. Could be anything. Plus John McCain seems to have been ineligible too. He was born in a US Military Hospital that was on 99 year leased Panamanian territory. Then his own auto-biography says something else


33 posted on 01/21/2011 11:24:54 PM PST by dennisw (- - - -He who does not economize will have to agonize - - - - - Confucius)
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To: porter_knorr

bump


34 posted on 01/21/2011 11:25:13 PM PST by KingNo155
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To: Ramius
“Christian name” doesn’t mean the name has to come from christianity. It merely means “first” or “given” name. And they wanted everybody to have a “last” or “family” name too. Probably to ease confusion in recordkeeping.

Remember, back in 2001 when GWB said, "this crusade, this war on terrorism, is going to take awhile."?

The libtards said he was speaking like an uncultured, racist, Texas cowboy because he used a word the muzzies don't like.

But anyone with half a brain knew he got the word from Ike, and it had nothing to do with religion.


35 posted on 01/21/2011 11:26:26 PM PST by cynwoody
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To: dennisw

I suppose that “Christian name” does refer to “first name” but I was already an adult listening to Brits and Europeans speaking before I ever heard anyone say “Christian name” refering to “first given name.”

Were these Hawaiian rules penned by Eiropeans, or something? It seems too, too old fashioned for Hawaii in the 1960s. My 1956 BC has “first given name” and “second given name.”

My father’s 1928 BC has “first given name” etc.

But it looks like the issue is the family name, really.


36 posted on 01/21/2011 11:29:52 PM PST by John Leland 1789 (Grateful.)
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What is that thing? It looks like a kitchen drain.

Wrong housepart!

It's a shrine built into one corner of the Kaaba, which is the cubic thing at the center of Mecca (some have speculated it makes a good target for a W87, LOL!) that the Moooselimbs circle around when they make their pilgrimage (the Haj).


37 posted on 01/21/2011 11:34:48 PM PST by cynwoody
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To: cynwoody

That’s one fancy looking port-a-potty there.


38 posted on 01/21/2011 11:36:10 PM PST by mnehring
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To: dennisw

Dennis is correct. The first name was referred to as “Christian” because in the majority of cases it was given at baptism.


39 posted on 01/21/2011 11:38:10 PM PST by kabumpo (Kabumpo)
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To: dennisw

John McCain isn’t president though - are you not sure of where you stand on the issue? Christian name normally means first name, that’s a given - but the issue of the last name is something that hasn’t been answered yet.


40 posted on 01/21/2011 11:40:50 PM PST by porter_knorr (John Adams would be arrested for his thoughts on tyrants today!)
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To: cynwoody

Thanks. I think I’ll google the Haj and get a little education. ;)


41 posted on 01/21/2011 11:42:40 PM PST by presently no screen name
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To: West Texas Chuck

No, it is not what the gov. is looking for. The form the gov is looking for has name of hospital and attending physician on it.


42 posted on 01/21/2011 11:43:15 PM PST by kabumpo (Kabumpo)
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To: bushpilot1

I’ve noticed a lot of laws are not enforced.....I think it was no big deal in 1961 for a kid to be given a foreign sounding name


43 posted on 01/21/2011 11:44:02 PM PST by woofie
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To: cynwoody

Looks like a vulva.


44 posted on 01/21/2011 11:44:47 PM PST by kabumpo (Kabumpo)
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To: bushpilot1
Section 3.. All illegitimate children born after the passage of this Act shall have their mother’s name as a family name. They shall, besides, have a. Christian name suitable to their sex.

So what it really means is: have a first name (AKA Christian name) suitable to their sex. So no boys could be named Sue or Fatima or Taniqua and no girls could be named Richard or Ali or Rayshawn.
45 posted on 01/21/2011 11:46:29 PM PST by aruanan
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To: bushpilot1
From here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Given_name

Christian name

The term Christian name is often used as a general synonym for given name. Strictly speaking, the term applies to a name formally given to a child at an infant baptism or "christening".


46 posted on 01/22/2011 12:00:37 AM PST by TChad
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. . . . . Steve?

Check this out:

http://www.thepostemail.com/2010/01/12/his-name-is-steve-dunham/

47 posted on 01/22/2011 12:04:38 AM PST by LucyT
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To: bushpilot1

I hate to break it to you but almost all “Christian” names are Semitic in origin. Joshua, Joseph, Jude, Jewish.

Most other given names (Christian names) that are not “Biblical” are barbarian in nature.

William - Gild helm. The name a barbarian would take after killing a Roman soldier and taking his shiny helmet.


50 posted on 01/22/2011 12:12:30 AM PST by allmendream (Tea Party did not send the GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism.)
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