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Machine Guns WEREN'T Banned? (Hughes Amendment fraud by Charlie Rangel)
The Market Ticker ^ | 2011-01-27 12:27 | Karl Denninger

Posted on 01/27/2011 10:17:25 AM PST by The Comedian

Background: In 1986 an amendment called "The Hughes Amendment" was allegedly attached to wider firearms legislation in The House and passed. This amendment made unlawful the private ownership of machine guns manufactured after 1986.

Today, you can own a machine gun, but the Hughes Amendment, H.A.#777, effectively created a "sinking stock" of such weapons that will eventually dwindle to zero as they wear out. Hundreds of people have been convicted of violating this law since, some when their weapons have malfunctioned rather than being intentionally modified.

There's a problem with this law, however. It appears that the amendment was never actually passed.

Archival footage of the actual House session has been found and is reproduced here.

Note who's standing up there with the gavel. That's Chairman Rangel. Yes, that Charlie Rangel. And by the way, you can see quite-clearly that The House Committee at the time was damn close to being in full-on revolt at the time Rangel was allegedly "Chairing" it!

Watch the video. It is quite clear that not only did the voice vote on the amendment fail but in addition it appears, if someone hasn't tampered with this video, that there was an electronic recorded vote that went down on the question as well. (more at link)

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TOPICS: Conspiracy; Miscellaneous
KEYWORDS: bang; banglist; congress; corruption; democrats; denninger; guns; hughes; rangel; ticker
Filing-my-sears-now ping.


Frowning takes 68 muscles.
Smiling takes 6.
Pulling this trigger takes 2.
I'm lazy.

1 posted on 01/27/2011 10:17:27 AM PST by The Comedian
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To: The Comedian

Law or no the BATFE passed regs that everyone now pretends have the weight of law. And the convictions show his to be true. Wonder if the convictions are for breaking the law as “passed” (or not) or for violating the regulations as written?


2 posted on 01/27/2011 10:20:26 AM PST by DBrow
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To: The Comedian

Wow. Does this mean that I can finish the build of my 1919A4 without having to pay that nasty tax? Well, I can dream.


3 posted on 01/27/2011 10:20:58 AM PST by Noumenon ("We should forgive our enemies, but not before they are hanged.")
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To: Dead Corpse; Noumenon; Lurker; MrB
Good-luck-with-that-10+-round-magazine-ban,-jerks ping.

We're going to a BBQ and bringing our unlicensed Class 3 toys...

(Thanks for bringing this story to my attention earlier in the week, Dead)


Frowning takes 68 muscles.
Smiling takes 6.
Pulling this trigger takes 2.
I'm lazy.

4 posted on 01/27/2011 10:22:07 AM PST by The Comedian (Obama is just the cherry on top of the $hit sundae of fraud the democrats have become.)
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To: The Comedian

All of these “must see” (good) video links are posted while I am working!
Yet another ping for myself to view later.


5 posted on 01/27/2011 10:25:52 AM PST by Verbosus (/* No Comment */)
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To: The Comedian

There’s a bubba over on ARFCOM that is planning on talking to a couple lawyers and see if he can’t find a way to get “standing” on this issue and run it up the Courts. Hopefully, without getting his dog shot in the process.

http://www.jobrelatedstuff.com/core/topic.html?b=1&f=5&t=1143139&page=1


6 posted on 01/27/2011 10:27:53 AM PST by Dead Corpse (III%. The last line in the sand)
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To: The Comedian

What a Joke that was.

Mr. Chairman an amendment for the Chairman to take that gavel and shove it.


7 posted on 01/27/2011 10:35:39 AM PST by Venturer
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To: The Comedian

I wonder how many other “laws” on the books were fraudulently passed by Dems?


8 posted on 01/27/2011 10:41:09 AM PST by Spirochete (Sic transit gloria mundi)
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To: Dead Corpse

Wouldn’t the easy route be to find someone who was convicted for posession of a post 1986 weapon and go to the court to get the conviction overturned?


9 posted on 01/27/2011 10:41:20 AM PST by taxcontrol
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To: taxcontrol

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Olofson

So far, no one up the chain in the judiciary wants to hear his appeals.

All for a malfunctioning rifle he loaded to someone else in working condition.


10 posted on 01/27/2011 10:51:58 AM PST by Dead Corpse (III%. The last line in the sand)
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To: DBrow

If the video is accurate the amendment to the Voelker (sp)Substitute did not pass but the “Voelker Substitute as amended” did. I don’t know if there were other amendments prior to the vote on this one but it sure looks like the subject amendment never made it to the Voelker Substitute.

Interesting.


11 posted on 01/27/2011 10:52:56 AM PST by Castigar
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To: The Comedian

>Good-luck-with-that-10+-round-magazine-ban,-jerks ping.

Well now... “belts” certainly are NOT magazines OR clips. ;)


12 posted on 01/27/2011 11:02:30 AM PST by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: The Comedian

Don’t tell me that Rangel or a close buddy is about to be charged with unlawful private ownership of machine guns manufactured after 1986.


13 posted on 01/27/2011 11:03:33 AM PST by B4Ranch (Do NOT remain seated until this ride comes to a full and complete stop! We're going the wrong way!)
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To: The Comedian

So, was the first vote or the second vote for the Hughes Amendment. I believe that the third vote was for the overall bill.


14 posted on 01/27/2011 11:10:52 AM PST by Blood of Tyrants (Islam is the religion of Satan and Mohammed was his minion.)
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To: Castigar
Also note the confusion over calls to clarify which Amendments had made it on to the final bill and the rush to vote for the FOPA "as amended".

This was a railroad job from the start.

15 posted on 01/27/2011 11:20:11 AM PST by Dead Corpse (III%. The last line in the sand)
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To: Spirochete
I wonder how many other “laws” on the books were fraudulently passed by Dems?

Look at it the other way around: How many other “laws” on the books were properly passed by Dems?

16 posted on 01/27/2011 11:28:47 AM PST by GYL2 (Always mystify, mislead and surprise the enemy Thomas J. (Stonewall) Jackson)
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To: The Comedian

This story of the fake voice-vote has been common knowledge since 1986. The RATS knew they couldn’t pass a machine gun ban, so they faked it, and the RINOS didn’t have the guts to contest it.


17 posted on 01/27/2011 12:06:23 PM PST by ozzymandus
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To: Dead Corpse; The Comedian; Blood of Tyrants
This was a railroad job from the start.

exzactely...FOPA was 'needed to protect gun owners from/dealers from past pnumbras of gun 'control' and was the perfect vehicle to slide this sh!t sandwich into...

from the rangel *smirk* and and drunk o'neils ramrod job of ignoring procedure, it smells of a well choreographed sleight of hand to make the 'nays' *think* that they had won the day...

pity they didnt scream bloody murder once the truth was known then, since plenty of bloody murder has been committed in the name of 'the law' in the last 24 yrs...not the least of which was the branch dividian BBQ which killed a lot of kids...

18 posted on 01/27/2011 12:26:23 PM PST by Gilbo_3 (Gov is not reason; not eloquent; its force.Like fire,a dangerous servant & master. George Washington)
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To: Gilbo_3

wow, im slam firing in that last post...hope i dont get jacked up on the 1A version of hughs...


19 posted on 01/27/2011 12:28:14 PM PST by Gilbo_3 (Gov is not reason; not eloquent; its force.Like fire,a dangerous servant & master. George Washington)
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To: ozzymandus
The RATS knew they couldn’t pass a machine gun ban, so they faked it...

Yep, these are the kinds of actions we get from so-called "leaders" of a society that supports cheating as just "part-of-the-game" (like intentionally not touching third base on your way to home plate and seeing if you can get away with it.)
20 posted on 01/27/2011 12:58:41 PM PST by GizmosAndGadgets (That given freely is charity; Taken by force, theft; Stolen by the government, tyranny.)
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To: ozzymandus
Common knowledge, yes. But never provable.

Now we can.

Better late than never...

21 posted on 01/27/2011 1:17:19 PM PST by Dead Corpse (III%. The last line in the sand)
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To: The Comedian

http://keepvid.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3Da6Mx2UcSEvQ%26feature%3Dplayer_embedded


22 posted on 01/27/2011 2:07:03 PM PST by Neidermeyer
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To: Noumenon

Yeah, and do 10 years in a federal pen like one of my friends!!


23 posted on 01/27/2011 2:09:12 PM PST by spitter
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To: spitter

That’s why that side plate is still sitting at 80% finished.


24 posted on 01/27/2011 2:13:23 PM PST by Noumenon ("We should forgive our enemies, but not before they are hanged.")
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To: Noumenon

It’s a helluva thing that side plate is still sitting at 80%
when you have every right to fnish it!!!


25 posted on 01/27/2011 2:33:55 PM PST by spitter
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To: The Comedian

Doesn’t matter.

We haven’t been a country of laws for a while, but regulations. The BATF boys will kill you and your dog if you build one.


26 posted on 01/27/2011 3:23:28 PM PST by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: taxcontrol
Wouldn’t the easy route be to find someone who was convicted for posession of a post 1986 weapon and go to the court to get the conviction overturned?

Not likely to succeed. Google "enrolled bill doctrine."

27 posted on 01/27/2011 3:31:31 PM PST by Lurking Libertarian (Non sub homine, sed sub Deo et lege)
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To: GYL2; Spirochete

Look at it the proper way: how many laws on the books don’t mean spit, because Dem JUDGES ignored the clear meaning of the statutes and substituted new “interpretations” that became controlling “case law”?


28 posted on 01/27/2011 5:24:07 PM PST by ApplegateRanch (Made in America, by proud American citizens, in 1946.)
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To: redgolum
Little secret here. If we ALL build them, they will run out of Agents before we run out of self-defense measures.

A government only lasts while people still believe in it. Once that is gone, they can only retain power through fear and force. Guess which side of that equation we are currently on?

29 posted on 01/28/2011 6:15:15 AM PST by Dead Corpse (III%. The last line in the sand)
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To: ApplegateRanch

Hmmm things like the NICS implementation law – wasn’t the idea that the data for those checks to be destroyed ‘Immediately?’

My apologies if my earlier comment sounded wrong by the way I worded it – my intention was to point out that it seems like a lot of law passed by the dems is by underhanded methods – things like Obamacare.

But you have a good point – it does seem like if the dems can’t pass their agenda by legislative action they use judicial action – which his often contrary to the will of the people or the Constitution.


30 posted on 02/02/2011 6:00:33 AM PST by GYL2 (Always mystify, mislead and surprise the enemy Thomas J. (Stonewall) Jackson)
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