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The 'Titanic' and 'Avatar': A Curious Obsession with Nazi Sympathizer Leni Riefenstahl
The American Thinker ^ | 4/22/2011 | Mark Musser

Posted on 04/22/2011 8:03:14 AM PDT by Olympiad Fisherman

Robert von Dassanowsky, the director of Film Studies at the University of Colorado, acutely noticed back in 2001 that James Cameron's epic movie Titanic is based on the German mountain films that Riefenstahl starred in. Although largely ignoring Riefenstahl's compromised relationship with the Nazis, von Dassanowsky makes a compelling case that Cameron's Titanic is a German mountain film set upon the sea ice of the North Atlantic.

Von Dassanowsky even went so far to strongly suggest that the heroine in the Titanic, Rose, is actually based on Riefenstahl's personal character. He then intimates that Cameron may have indeed directed the Titanic to show how Riefenstahl's untamed feminism eventually overcame her compromised relationship with the chauvinism of the Nazis, represented by her dictatorial fiancé on the ship, whom she never married. In the end, Riefenstahl, like Rose, redeemed herself from the dictatorial Nazi regime.

Even more startling, Cameron also borrowed from Nazi Germany's own version of the Titanic made in 1943. In the Nazi version, the hero of the story is a German officer who ...

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TOPICS: Arts/Photography; History; Outdoors; Society
KEYWORDS: enemypropaganda; hollywood; leniriefenstahl; riefenstahl; titanic
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To: KansasGirl

You can watch Titanic in 5 seconds.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OuSdU8tbcHY


41 posted on 04/22/2011 8:54:28 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: ozzymandus
Avatar was an anti-American leftist fantasy, but it was a ripoff of Dances with Wolves, not Leni Riefenstal.

Dances with Wolves, certainly. But also the Pocahontas cartoon. And At Play in the Fields of the Lord. And the Mosquito Coast. And Fern Gully.

The reason it took Cameron 10 year to make the movie was that he had to wait for all the films he wanted to rip off to be finished.

42 posted on 04/22/2011 8:54:47 AM PDT by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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To: blueunicorn6
Cameron stole his movie ideas from the nazis?

As one of my Jesuit high school teachers taught our class, since only God is perfect, even if a man purposely tries to be 100% evil, 100% of the time, that man will certainly fail and, occasionally, come up with something really good and, sometimes, downright lovable.

Later in 1933, Adolf Hitler met with Ferdinand Porsche to discuss Hitler's idea of a volkswagen. Hitler proposed a people's car that could carry 5 people, cruise up to 62mph, return 33mpg, and cost only 1000 Reich Marks. This was an opportunity for Porsche to push his idea of a small car foward, as was it to help Hitler get a real people's car for the citizens of Germany.


43 posted on 04/22/2011 8:58:56 AM PDT by Polybius
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To: Olympiad Fisherman

There is a very good reason that Cameron is fascinated with Reifenstahl. It’s because she was actually a superb director. The author lists several of her movies, but I wonder if he actually looked at any of them.

She made several dynamic innovations to filmmaking, and was hugely influential in both the very advanced pre-Nazi German film industry, and later, in a secondary way, when many in their film industry fled to the US and ended up in Hollywood.

Directors like Fritz Lang, Billy Wilder, and Fred Zinnemann were all very familiar with Reifenstahl’s techniques and brought them to the US.

And you can see her influence in such movies as The Big Heat, High Noon, and From Here to Eternity.


44 posted on 04/22/2011 8:58:58 AM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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To: blueunicorn6
Cameron stole his movie ideas from the nazis?

We got to the moon because of a "Nazi."

45 posted on 04/22/2011 9:01:17 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Polybius

The guy standing behind Hitler spent a little too much time in the tanning booth.


46 posted on 04/22/2011 9:03:12 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Polybius
".... acutely noticed back in 2001 that James Cameron's epic movie Titanic is based on the German mountain films that Riefenstahl starred in."

I'd like to see some evidence of this acute notice in 2001.

47 posted on 04/22/2011 9:08:37 AM PDT by Bubba Ho-Tep ("More weight!"--Giles Corey)
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To: KansasGirl

Even soccer can be tolerable if viewed in 3-D.


48 posted on 04/22/2011 9:24:29 AM PDT by WOBBLY BOB ( "I don't want the majority if we don't stand for something"- Jim Demint)
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To: Olympiad Fisherman
Anyone staging a political rally or campaign who *hasn't* studied ‘Triumph of the will’ is an idiot (G Gordon Liddy wrote of showing that film to colleagues and they were blown away) and any competent director is deeply familiar with her work, just as any campaign manager, press spokesman or media director would be a nitwit to not have studied Goebbels every technique and strategy.
49 posted on 04/22/2011 9:27:25 AM PDT by RedStateRocker (Nuke Mecca, Deport all illegals, abolish the IRS, DEA and ATF.)
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To: Bubba Ho-Tep
"Robert von Dassanowsky, the director of Film Studies at the University of Colorado, acutely noticed back in 2001 that James Cameron's epic movie Titanic is based on the German mountain films that Riefenstahl starred in."

I'd like to see some evidence of this acute notice in 2001.

August 19, 2002 .... TIME Magazine .... In Her Own Image: ...... Few movie fans realize how many of Riefenstahl's ideas and images have slipped into recent film. In addition to Verhoeven, George Lucas echoed her in this year's Star Wars: Episode II — Attack of the Clones; snippets of Triumph of the Will appeared in Oliver Stone's The Doors; and James Cameron's Titanic took many details from her little-seen 1954 film Tiefland , about a woman who falls under a tyrant's control but eventually finds freedom. "I was sitting in the theater thinking, 'I've seen these scenes somewhere before,'" says film scholar Robert von Dassanowsky. "Isn't that the hallmark of a truly influential artist, that her work survives and influences, even detached from her name?"

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Tiefland (Lowlands) is a 1954 film that Leni Riefenstahl scripted, directed, acted in, and edited. .... Pedro, a shepherd, is sleeping in his Pyrenean mountain hut ....

50 posted on 04/22/2011 9:29:34 AM PDT by Polybius
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To: BenLurkin

Now, now, don’t get me involved in this.


51 posted on 04/22/2011 9:36:38 AM PDT by Godzilla (3-7-77)
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To: blueunicorn6
Cameron has stolen all of his ideas.

Eaters of the Dead? Beowulf.

Avatar? Pocahontas.

Timeline? HG Wells.

Aliens? The Thing.

And on, and on, and on...

Yeah, he re-makes great ideas into new packaging and he does it very well. But if the guy ever had a truly original thought I would be surprised.

52 posted on 04/22/2011 9:40:01 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (explosive bolts, ten thousand volts at a million miles an hour)
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To: Godzilla

Sorry...I should have pinged you...


53 posted on 04/22/2011 9:43:56 AM PDT by BenLurkin (This post is not a statement of fact. It is merely a personal opinion -- or humor -- or both)
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To: WOBBLY BOB

LOL


54 posted on 04/22/2011 9:45:17 AM PDT by kanawa (Obama - "The only people who don't want to disclose the truth are people with something to hide.")
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To: Polybius
So basically it was this one same guy, who, amazingly, is a Leni Riefenstahl expert, who acutely noticed it.

From The Onion: Every Single Thing Reminds Altman Buff Of Altman Film

55 posted on 04/22/2011 9:46:22 AM PDT by Bubba Ho-Tep ("More weight!"--Giles Corey)
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To: Dead Corpse
Cameron has stolen all of his ideas.
Eaters of the Dead? Beowulf.
Timeline? HG Wells.

Uh, those are both based on Michael Crichton books, and Cameron had nothing to do with either movie version.

56 posted on 04/22/2011 9:51:58 AM PDT by Bubba Ho-Tep ("More weight!"--Giles Corey)
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To: Bubba Ho-Tep

"Don't stop him, he's on a roll."

57 posted on 04/22/2011 9:54:15 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy
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To: Olympiad Fisherman

Keep the faith. FR is currently beseiged by adolescent smart alecs. We will find the proper zot to rid the forum of these buzzing gnats.


58 posted on 04/22/2011 9:54:30 AM PDT by Louis Foxwell (For love of Sarah, our country and the American Way of Life.)
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To: ClearCase_guy

I am sorry, I had to bring my kids to school and had to run and I just got back.

I think that the article speaks for itself. Contrary to popular opinion, the indigenous Green movement was largely born in the racist forests of Germany going back to the 1800’s. The Nazis incorporated this movement as their own and even trumpeted it as such. This ‘green’ streak of the Nazis ‘fooled’ a lot of people, including Leni Riefenstahl. After the war, much like German environmentalism, Leni and Lucky Lindy became international environmental activists as a way of getting out from under their compromised Nazi past. The point of the article is that this conversion is a very shallow one at best. Leni Riefenstahl has just gone from one bad marriage to the next. Today, the enviromental movement hates people in general. Environmental multiculturalism, in full display in Avatar, still has its roots in the German green volkisch movement of the 1800’s. Volkisch means people when translated literally into English, but it really stands for indigenous racism.


59 posted on 04/22/2011 9:57:13 AM PDT by Olympiad Fisherman (Olympiad Fisherman)
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To: KansasGirl

Amen!


60 posted on 04/22/2011 9:57:40 AM PDT by Olympiad Fisherman (Olympiad Fisherman)
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