Posted on 07/08/2011 5:39:04 AM PDT by GlockThe Vote
“Operation Gunrunner” was started under Bush.
“Operation Fast and Furious” was its extension/modification under the Obama.
“Gunrunner” was a reasonable operation because the straw purchases were followed up with an imperative to seize the guns back after the illegal transfer had occurred - nothing crossed the border, nothing got lost, nobody went home until everything was wrapped up.
“Fast and Furious” eliminated the prior imperative - like notes in bottles tossed into the sea, they wanted to observe where the illegally-transferred arms drifted to and popped up again. Seemed nobody in charge (under THIS administration) considered that the weapons would be used for actual crimes.
What the lead article describes is Holder et al taking over the prior administration’s “Gunrunner” project; it does not describe the paradigm shift from sting to sanctioned smuggling.
Unfortunately you are correct. Project “Gun Runner” is not “Gun Walker”.
BUT, Holder MUST have known. This came directly for BHO2.
If you search Project Gunrunner on the DOJ Website 109 articles are returned. I can’t believe ISSA does not already have prinouts of everyone of them
It’s not helpful.
We’re at the stage of this scandal where everyone fancies themselves experts on what they understand little about. The critical distinction between “Gunrunner” and “Fast and Furious” is lost on most observers now.
That Holder knew of & facilitated “Gunrunner” is no big deal, and that he discussed it with Mexican officials amounts to part of his job.
Idiots conflating the two operations fail to consider Holder would never stand up in front of a group of Mexican officials and announce outright arms smuggling started under his direction; they just see the operation’s name acknowledged and think they’ve discovered the smoking gun.
Gunnrunner started under Bush. It isn’t the problem. Operation Fast and Furious is a PIECE of that larger program...and THAT was started under Obama...and is the piece that gave weapo0ns to the cartels.
“Gun Walker” was the colloquial/satirical term applied by those investigating the criminal operation, until it was discovered it had an official code name of “Fast and Furious”.
With all the overlapping names floating around, coupled with the half-baked hysteria, a lot of people are confused and we’re going to go thru an annoying spell where a lot of people on our side will say a lot of stupid things.
I’ve saved the DOJ website page. I’ve also sent an email to Bret Baier of FOX News Special Report since they’ve been discussing this. The more we can get this in the media, the less chance there is for this to fall down a hole.
We need to see a Holder perp walk, either in Washington DC or Mexico City.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LHkaRU9EoVM&feature=player_embedded
HERE IS IS TESTIMONY. CLAIMS HE ONLY KNEW OF THE GUN RUNNING WEEKS BEFORE HIS TESTIMONY.
PERJURY!
The term “Gun Walker” was applied by the Non-ATF, I understand that.
And Yes, “Fast & Furious” is the ATF name. The problem was what it did. The real intent had to come from the top. Not the Top of the ATF or Justice, but the White Hut. No illusions, it must all be exposed.
The only way to kill this beast is sunlight. Top to bottom.
That is a serious offense, especially for head of DOJ.
Read the whole speech. He is saying they are doing new things w ATF - which obviously included Fast & Furious
He perjured himself.
Thank you for a much needed mature assessment.
Under the radar!
We need to start a pool...guess the day Eric Holder gets thrown under the bus....
I guess you have not been following this......this IS the smoking gun...
Yep.
How this is handled and investigated will be telling as to what extent our system is corrupted.
he has testified, under oath, that he knew nothing about this until a coupla weeks before his hearing...perjury at a minimum....if you want to get caught up on it, you have a lot of reading to do...fubo is toast, joe biteme will be president..
1) Project Gunrunner was the Bush era operation which was designed to catch straw purchasers in the US and resulted in about 1200 arrests.
2) Operation Fast and Furious was the Obama era plan out of Phoenix to allow straw purchasers to transport weapons across the border into Mexico to see where they ended up. (supposedly)
3) Operation Castaway was the same as F&F only out of Tampa and Honduras was the (first) destination of the weapons
4) Gunwalker was a term coined by some media hack and has no true basis as the name of a gov’t. operation.
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