Posted on 07/08/2011 5:39:04 AM PDT by GlockThe Vote
I want all of them impeached.
So?
Clinton comitted perjury and was impeached.
Did he actually get held accountable for his crimes?
WHAT smoking gun? Project Gunrunner was a legitimate above-board law-enforcement operation. Project Fast And Furious was the illegitimate subversive illegal perversion of that operation. “This” is the former, which Holder inherited; the latter is what he secretly injected into it.
So where’s the smoking gun?
You think you’ve been following it, but don’t realize what the scorecard covers. See post #40.
Project gunrunner isn’t is not the same as operation fast and furious. Let’s not get distracted.
hate to have to disagree with you, but I have been following this since early february, and have read every article and document pertaining to this...project gunwalker was the name given to this by the examiner reporter that initially broke this story, not a “media hack”....I am fully aware of “gunrunner” and “F&F”, and know what each was about. Since you are relatively new to this criminal enterprise, I will give you the quick breakdown...complicit in the murder of a federal agent, illegal arms smuggling, violation of international treaties, lying under oath(that would be perjury) and obstruction of justice....the major players snagged to date are holder, napolitano and clinton, not to mention a host of deputy directors, district directors and assistants....do you really think all of these people will go to prison to protect fubo? melson already flipped, he refused to be thrown under the bus..Issa has successfully blocked all the exits, and has painstakingly built a case....you might want to read the entire timeline. It is available from the “media hack” you refer to...........
Read the whole speech. He says he is launching a new initiative along the border. What was that? F and F!
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REFERENCE America's Third War: Is the U.S. Arming Mexican Cartels?
FoxNews.com | May 31, 2011 | William La Jeunesse
FR Posted on Thursday, June 02, 2011 by neverdem
If you ever watch video or look at pictures of Mexican drug wars, you see some pretty heavy weapons. It is a war being waged with rockets and plastic explosives, not pea shooters and Saturday Night Specials.
Consider these incidents:- A M26A2 fragmentation grenade used against a U.S. Consulate in Mexico in 2008 - Explosive projectiles and 21 grenades found during a raid in Guadalupe - An unexploded grenade and pull ring used to attack a TV station in Monterrey - Automatic weapons, including U.S.-made M16s, found at a cartel crime scene in May 2009- U.S. military-issued ammunition found in a cartel raid in Reynosa in November 2008. You can't buy this stuff at a U.S. gun store. So where do the cartels get it?
According to leaked diplomatic cables, there are three sources.
1. US Defense Department shipments to Latin America, known and tracked by the US State Department as "foreign military sales."
2. Weapons ordered by the Mexican government, tracked by the State Department as "direct commercial sales."
3. Aging, but plentiful arsenals of military weapon stores in Honduras, Guatemala and Nicaragua.
Even though these facts were well-known by the Obama administration, including Secretary of State Hillary Clinton and Attorney General Eric Holder, it blamed much of the violence in Mexico on US gun shops. "More than 90% of the guns recovered in Mexico come from the United States, many from gun shops that line our border," President Obama said in February 2009.
That was contested, but few listened to gun store owners and former vets like Lynn Kartchner, owner of Allsafe Security, a gun shop in Douglas, Ariz...(Excerpt) Read more at foxnews.com
In that quote, Holder is taking ownership - bragging to the mexicans - of the expansion of Gunrunner and it becoming part of a coordinated strategy with DEA, FBI, and DHS. Hard to take credit for expanding and funding the program, then turning around a year later and saying, “well I didn’t know HOW they were gonna do it!”
It’s “our administration”s baby.
just my 2 cents.
Project GunRunner was a legitimate law enforcement operation with known logical goals that were supported by the actions of the ATF. Operation Fast and Furious's stated goal is illogical, and as a law enforcement operation, it served no purpose whatsoever.
Making the two synonymous helps this administration cover up the crimes that were committed.
Further it's idiotic to think that Holder didn't know about this operation. It was thought of, created, planned and funded by this administration with the only logical intention of renewing an expanded assault weapons ban.
This speech isn't a smoking gun in any way, but it is yet another speech given about the evils of gazillions of American guns going to Mexico before there were a lot of guns going to Mexico. After there were a few critical analysis articles that demonstrated that they actually weren't that many American guns in Mexico suddenly they create an operation that actually send guns into Mexico? Nothing suspicious there.
How has holder committed perjury?
No need to do that,
Holder has an internal investigation under way.
He’ll get to the bottom of this and let us all know what’s up any moment now.
Honest.
5.56mm
Read it again. He says clearly they are launching NEW INITIATIVES ALONG THE BORDER.
That was Fast and Furious
MAIL CALL!!
Is it a logical inference? Sure. Is it a smoking gun? No.
“I want all of them impeached.”
Can anyone say ‘La Guillotine’?
Yeah, whatever, keep believing that.
Anyone with a clue knows what was going on here. Between the stim bill money, this statement, the speeches with the lies about guns coming from US gun stores, etc, its obvious he was in on this from day 1.
I do know what is going on here at least as well as you do. I know what fast and furious was designed to do, who was behind it, and I had to put up with people calling me crazy for saying so...before I ever saw you on a thread discussing Fast and Furious BTW. You need to chill out and figure out who your friends are on this issue and then figure out what actual evidence is rather than one of many speeches Holder gave (Obama, Clinton etc. all gave similar speeches some as early as 2008) to start drumming up support for a new and expanded assault weapons ban.
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