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Beard Gets Boy, 15, Banned From Class
Mirror ^ | 7/12/2011 | Paul Byrne

Posted on 07/11/2011 10:23:42 PM PDT by nickcarraway

A BOY of 15 has been banned from class because he has grown a beard.

Teachers put 6ft 2in Harrison Cerami in isolation when he refused to shave.

But mum Kerry, 41, claims razors would trouble her son’s acne and has taken him out of the school in protest.

She said: “There are ­children with earrings, nose rings, eyebrow ­piercings – yet Harry’s being singled out for having a beard.

“He’s hit puberty and is just a hairy lad who wants to have a nice, trimmed beard.

“I could understand the isolation punishment for something more serious, but to be put into a small room for a day is disgraceful.”

Mrs Cerami, of Blackburn, said Harrison will not go back to Ribblesdale High School unless it changes its rules.

Headteacher Simon Smith said: “Our policy for boys is they attend clean shaven.”

He added that Harrison could return to his classroom if he shaved his facial hair.


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1 posted on 07/11/2011 10:23:46 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: nickcarraway
Headteacher Simon Smith said: “Our policy for boys is they attend clean shaven.”

How about girls? Just asking.

2 posted on 07/11/2011 10:26:30 PM PDT by Post Toasties (Leftists give insanity a bad name.)
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To: nickcarraway

American kids can’t read, don’t know the classics, can’do basic arithmetic (much less algebra), are taught how to cheat to tests and put condoms on bananas and yet don’t know the 3 branches of US Government, much less the Bill of Rights.

And a kid who’s puberty got ahead of the curve is a problem?


3 posted on 07/11/2011 10:28:00 PM PDT by freedumb2003 (Herman Cain 2012)
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To: nickcarraway

Obama’s gotta beard and he’s still in the White House.


4 posted on 07/11/2011 10:28:59 PM PDT by Hoosier-Daddy ( "It does no good to be a super power if you have to worry what the neighbors think." BuffaloJack)
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To: Hoosier-Daddy

It’s the UK. You need to ask if it’s okay if the Queen has a beard.


5 posted on 07/11/2011 10:33:51 PM PDT by proudtobeanamerican1 (A house divided against itself cannot stand.” Abraham Lincoln)
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To: nickcarraway

This is stupid. On many accounts not the least of which is that God gave us facial hair. DEAL WITH IT!!

I feel a school can set standards for cleanliness and maintenance of a beard but to say you can’t have one is stupid.

For some reason we Americans have this weird hate relationship with facial hair. Starting in the 20th century facial hair became a stigma. I just do not get it.

Facial hair (for a man) is no different than the hair that grows on his head. Properly trimmed and maintained, it causes on offense and is not a source of any hygeine problems.

But in the early 20th century we decided that our men should perpetually look like little boys. Maybe it was the homosexual lobby pushing it. But now, men cannot have hair (even neatly trimmed) anywhere.

You have men waxing their chests, their butts, their nether regions, all in the name of looking like a 12 year old boy.

Why??? What is wrong with a well trimmed beard. I sport a beard during the winter months. I keep mine well trimmed and short. What’s anyone’s beef with that?

Also, please do not tell me that the school has the right to do this. The school is not a private enterprise. It is a public institution. Making arbitrary rules that (in this case) go against nature, makes zero sense. Why not ban eyebrows next?


6 posted on 07/11/2011 10:34:22 PM PDT by SoftwareEngineer
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To: nickcarraway

I'm just a beard...

7 posted on 07/11/2011 10:35:49 PM PDT by Gigantor (2012...sometimes you have to flush twice.)
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To: nickcarraway

When beards are outlawed, only outlaws will have beards.


8 posted on 07/11/2011 10:36:30 PM PDT by AD from SpringBay (We deserve the government we allow.)
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To: nickcarraway

The boy is better off out of the socialized school system. We should root out socialized schooling and replace it with a capitalist school system.

There is no more reason to socialize the schooling industry than there is to socialize the healthcare industry.


9 posted on 07/11/2011 10:38:59 PM PDT by SUSSA
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To: Post Toasties

One of my junior classmates had white hair, like an old guy. Something about a hair condition.

Either way, we used to him to go to the liquor stores and score some booze because he’s the one who looked the part of an old dude with white hair.


10 posted on 07/11/2011 10:45:07 PM PDT by max americana (FUBO NATION 2012 FK BARAK)
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To: nickcarraway

Would they insist Sikhs be clean-shaven? If not, they should most definitely STFU.


11 posted on 07/11/2011 10:49:30 PM PDT by OldNewYork
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To: OldNewYork

Good point! Sikhs can keep facial hair (more power to them!)

If so, then everyone else should be able to keep well maintained and clean facial hair

I mean, we are not talking about piercings or tattoos etc that are your choice.

If you are an average guy freaking hair grows on your face when you hit puberty. that is God’s plan!

Now, you can ask me to keep it neat and clean and so on. You can ask me to cover it while preparing food etc. But to ask me to shave it off because it offends you is ridiculous.

Again, differentiate between choices like tattoos and piercings and things that God designed

It is just like nails. You can certainly demand that I keep my nails trimmed and clean but if you suddenly insist I have my nails pulled out of their nail beds cause they offend you, you have another punch coming to your nose


12 posted on 07/11/2011 10:55:35 PM PDT by SoftwareEngineer
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To: SoftwareEngineer

His mother makes the very good point too about all the other unnatural changes from the traditional dress code etc. from the 1950’s. This boy’s basically normal and the article makes him out to be groomed. Even if the beard weren’t groomed, how is their policy on trendy things like dreadlocks? And I get the feeling it’s the healthy display of masculinity (that’s basically limited to those of Caucasian ancestry) that bothers them most, even if they’d never put it into words that way.


13 posted on 07/11/2011 11:11:20 PM PDT by OldNewYork
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To: SoftwareEngineer

Clean shaven men don’t do a thing for me.

I like ‘em hairy and scary.

If I want “smooth silky skin” touching mine, I’ll turn queer and date women.


14 posted on 07/11/2011 11:13:26 PM PDT by Salamander (I don't want trouble, I don't need no fuss. But I'm wounded, old and treacherous.)
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To: OldNewYork

We had several mustached and/or bearded boys in my high school.

Nobody cared.


15 posted on 07/11/2011 11:14:54 PM PDT by Salamander (I don't want trouble, I don't need no fuss. But I'm wounded, old and treacherous.)
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To: SUSSA

It is perplexing, isn’t it ? A classroom of 25 kids costs the public school system $300,000 to operate for 9 months out of the year. You would think a private school could pay every teacher $100,000 salary for a 12 month school year and still spend half as much overall. Think about it: with ten classrooms, you’d have $500,000/yr left over to pay for an administrator, janitor, nurse, and utilities and facilities lease. If public schools weren’t “free” nobody would choose them. The only public schools should be “reform” schools for the kids that were troublemakers in the private schools. Cut property taxes in half and let people pay for their own kids to go to private schools.


16 posted on 07/11/2011 11:20:04 PM PDT by Kellis91789 (There's a reason the mascot of the Democratic Party is a jackass.)
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To: Salamander

Yeah, I remember plenty of even 8th graders in my class sporting facial hair, including one with more than a Don Johnson level of daily stubble. Britain’s a bit different, but if different branches of various militaries can handle grooming regulations for facial hair, a post post-modern high school can too.


17 posted on 07/11/2011 11:26:17 PM PDT by OldNewYork
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To: Kellis91789

One of the things I thought was interesting was that the mother commented that shaving would aggravate her son’s acne. My husband had that problem as well, and the only way he could avoid severe acne was to grow a beard. The last day he ever shaved was our wedding day, and then he immediately began growing his beard, which he kept until the day he died. He always kept it groomed, kept his curly hair short as well, and he was a handsome man. His beard started early, also.


18 posted on 07/11/2011 11:29:05 PM PDT by Judith Anne ( Holy Mary, Mother of God, please pray for us sinners now, and at the hour of our death.)
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To: Judith Anne
Shaving can cause ingrown hairs in certain ethnic groups, particularly black men.

I had a goatee when I met my wife. She told me that beards really turned her on, so I grew a full, but trimmed one. I didn't mind too much.

19 posted on 07/11/2011 11:43:09 PM PDT by boop ("Let's just say they'll be satisfied with LESS"... Ming the Merciless)
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To: nickcarraway

When I was in 8th grade, one of the guys came to the first day of school with a full beard. He was 13, but all the guys in his family had early facial hair. They had to change the dress code to make him shave. He came back the next day with big, pointy, Elvis type sideburns, and the principal freaked.


20 posted on 07/11/2011 11:43:27 PM PDT by ozzymandus
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To: boop

Some men really look their best with beards. I like a trimmed beard with short hair, it’s a masculine look.


21 posted on 07/12/2011 12:02:25 AM PDT by Judith Anne ( Holy Mary, Mother of God, please pray for us sinners now, and at the hour of our death.)
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To: nickcarraway
I started having to shave in the 7th grade. I grew a beard every summer after that. And I am not talking about some hippie wisp of a beard here. My Irish ancestry was in full bloom clear up to my eyes.
22 posted on 07/12/2011 12:12:56 AM PDT by crazyhorse691 (Obama is just the symptom of what is destroying the U.S.)
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To: Hoosier-Daddy
Obama’s gotta beard and he’s still in the White House.

-ROFL-

(I had to explain that term to a friend just yesterday.)

23 posted on 07/12/2011 1:14:16 AM PDT by SIDENET ("If that's your best, your best won't do." -Dee Snider)
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To: OldNewYork

No, it’s a matter of discipline.

I know the US doesn’t have a tradition of school uniforms in the way that the UK and much of the Commonwealth does - but they are used in Britain and the Commonwealth as a way of teaching children self discipline and they work very well in that role. This includes standards on grooming. As I say, the US doesn’t have this tradition in the same way as other places - and that’s fine. That’s a feature of American culture that should be respected. But the same applies in reverse - in places where this is a long standing cultural tradition, which is in place for a reason, that should be respected as well.

Most schools in the UK require boys to be clean shaven, because that is the standard that society expects for male children. Adults have beards. Children do not.

In general, in Britain and the Commonwealth, schools that have abandoned these standards have also abandoned other expectations concerning children’s behaviour. The things tend to go together.

Yes, exceptions can and generally are made in cases where there is a religious reason - such as there is for Sikh’s - to have facial hair. But a child who is following their rules of their religion in terms of these issues, is a child who is learning self discipline through that, and so that doesn’t go counter to the idea behind having uniform and grooming standards.

What this is, as most such attempts are, is a mother who wants her son to be exempted from following the rules of his school. In other words, she wants her son to be treated as special and she is sending a message to her son that any rule he doesn’t like can be ignored. That isn’t a good message.


24 posted on 07/12/2011 2:45:28 AM PDT by naturalman1975 ("America was under attack. Australia was immediately there to help." - John Winston Howard)
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To: nickcarraway

Give him the part of Lincoln in the school play.


25 posted on 07/12/2011 2:55:33 AM PDT by Former War Criminal (My senior Senator [who served in Vietnam and Rhode Island] said so.)
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To: naturalman1975

Even the US military, steeped in tradition and expectations, allows beard exemptions not related to religion.


26 posted on 07/12/2011 3:11:52 AM PDT by greatvikingone
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To: naturalman1975

In this case, it’s not clear this rule existed before this kid. But they said they allow any kind of piercing etc. If they allow all that stuff, I don’t see how they can ban the beard. If there overall rules were strict, then yes.


27 posted on 07/12/2011 3:28:23 AM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: nickcarraway; All
It's actually very easy for ALL to understand!

BOYS DRESS CODE

IFFEMINATE - YES
MASCULANT - NO

28 posted on 07/12/2011 3:47:52 AM PDT by drpix
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To: Hoosier-Daddy

He could claim to be a Mooooslim and it would be his “right” to have a beard.


29 posted on 07/12/2011 4:07:01 AM PDT by politicalmerc (The whole earth may move, but God's throne is never shaken. I think I'll stand by Him..)
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To: SoftwareEngineer

Simply having a beard is not a problem, but obviously you’ve never kissed a guy with one. There may be other reasons for the preference against them.


30 posted on 07/12/2011 4:08:48 AM PDT by Amberdawn
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To: nickcarraway

The mother who has a bee in her bonnet about this claims other children are allowed to have piercings. No evidence is provided for that - it’s just her claim.

The school’s rules - which are publically available - state that only ear piercings are allowed and only one basic piercing in each ear. They also set rules on hair and grooming - yes, the statement on being clean shaven seems to be new, but that’s an extension of the existing policy added because this boy is trying to claim the rules were unclear. Not really to anyone who reads them and applies common sense.

The school has also said that if there is a medical reason the boy needs an exemption, he can have one. But they need a doctor to sign off on that if that is the case.

It’s a school with high standards in discipline, including grooming. They are not letting this boy and his mother undermine that simply because they don’t like a rule.


31 posted on 07/12/2011 4:15:27 AM PDT by naturalman1975 ("America was under attack. Australia was immediately there to help." - John Winston Howard)
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To: nickcarraway

I remember one kid in elementary school that had a mustache. And lots of guys in HS had beards. No one ever cared about it then ... why now?


32 posted on 07/12/2011 4:41:18 AM PDT by al_c (http://www.blowoutcongress.com)
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To: naturalman1975
The article states:

"There are ­children with earrings, nose rings, eyebrow ­piercings..."

You post:

"...ear piercings are allowed and only one basic piercing in each ear."

AND

"It’s a school with high standards in discipline, including grooming."


HIGH STANDARDS? Either your kidding, or a deranged culture has given you an unhealthy tolerance for its approved hypocrisy.
33 posted on 07/12/2011 4:45:47 AM PDT by drpix
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To: nickcarraway

If the boy has foliculitis, get a note from the doc. Then the school can’t force him to shave.


34 posted on 07/12/2011 4:46:25 AM PDT by ViLaLuz (2 Chronicles 7:14)
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To: naturalman1975

CORRECTION: your = you’re


35 posted on 07/12/2011 4:48:39 AM PDT by drpix
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To: nickcarraway

Way back when I was that age we had a “Maynard G. Krebs Day” (anyone remember the Dobie Gillis TV show?) at our school. For a week before the administration would remind us that anyone who was not clean shaven or in violation of the dress code would be suspended.
On Monday morning nearly every student showed up in jeans and T-shirt, those of us who could sported a beard. There were too many to suspend.


36 posted on 07/12/2011 4:52:12 AM PDT by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink)
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To: Salamander
Something like this? Photobucket
37 posted on 07/12/2011 4:59:16 AM PDT by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink)
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To: naturalman1975

See... this is what aggravates me...

Sentences like “Adults have beards. Children do not.”

Dude! The “child” is now 15. Guess what? Nature (via God) is giving him a beard. DEAL WITH IT

You cannot force him back into a boy. He is more a “man” than a “child”. And stop with the stupid “British tradition” nonsense. Till 100 years ago, a 15 year old would have been a wage earner and would not be considered a “child”

You cannot fight Mother Nature. What next? Ban 15 year old girls from having a period??? I mean it is the same thing, innit?? After all they are “girls” and not “women”

Dude, the guy is willing to trim his beard and keep it looking good. He has not done this to himself. Nature and God did this to him. Let him be.

As I said, this is all very homosexual lobby. Keep men looking like little boys forever.


38 posted on 07/12/2011 5:18:44 AM PDT by SoftwareEngineer
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To: drpix
I'm not sure but I think you may have misunderstood the point I was making.

Yes, the article refers to students having "earrings, nose rings, eyebrow ­piercings". I don't believe that is accurate. The only person who is saying that is the case is the mother of this student who wants to break the rules. The school's rules do not allow students to have nose rings or eyebrow piercings. It allows only the ears to be pierced, and only one piercing in each ear. That is what I am pointing out.

A single ear piercing in each ear is not, in my view, excessive or deranged. Your standards may be different. You're entitled to hold them if you wish, but I am quite comfortable with the rules as the school states them. I would not agree with them if they allowed nose rings or eyebrow rings, but my point was that I believe that is a fabrication by the boys mother trying to excuse her son's attempt to escape the rules.

39 posted on 07/12/2011 5:19:27 AM PDT by naturalman1975 ("America was under attack. Australia was immediately there to help." - John Winston Howard)
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To: SoftwareEngineer
See... this is what aggravates me...

Well, I'm sorry it aggravates you. It doesn't aggravate me. What aggravates me is parents who tell their children that rules don't apply to them - that they are special and can do whatever they like and that any rule that they do not like should be evaded and ignored.

Dude! The “child” is now 15. Guess what? Nature (via God) is giving him a beard. DEAL WITH IT

Nature is also giving him BO, and on occasion, will give him diarrhea. In both cases, I expect him to know how to deal with the issues those things raises and to do them.

Do you want the school to let him turn up stark naked as well. What's natural about wearing clothing?

Where do you draw the line? You have to draw it somewhere. In the case of this boy's school, they have chosen to draw it within the norms of English society.

You cannot force him back into a boy. He is more a “man” than a “child”. And stop with the stupid “British tradition” nonsense.

It's not nonsense. School uniforms have been a standard part of English schooling for over a century now.

Till 100 years ago, a 15 year old would have been a wage earner and would not be considered a “child”

In Britain, he would have been. Yes, he would have most likely been working at 15, but he would have still be considered a minor child - still subject to the dictates of his parents, or his employer acting in loco parentis. That could persist until the age of 21 in some cases. Believe me, I know how this works - I joined the Royal Australian Navy when I was 15. That didn't make me an adult. The two things were not assumed to go together. Boy Midshipmen were one of the last remnants of that old idea but it does give me a bit of an insight into this.

You cannot fight Mother Nature. What next? Ban 15 year old girls from having a period??? I mean it is the same thing, innit?? After all they are “girls” and not “women”

No, we don't ban 15 year old girls from having periods. We do expect both boys and girls though to manage the things that come along with puberty and adolescence. This includes expecting them to maintain a reasonable level of cleanliness and grooming despite the challenges that come from a changing body.

That's what this schools rules require and to make it simple, they make their expectations clear.

As I said, this is all very homosexual lobby. Keep men looking like little boys forever.

It has nothing to do with homosexuality. Learning how to manage your body is part of being a man.

Go and tell a US Marine that proper grooming makes him gay and see what reaction you get.

There is nothing masculine or manly about being an unkempt slob, or choosing to ignore society's normal expectations about appearance.


40 posted on 07/12/2011 5:43:37 AM PDT by naturalman1975 ("America was under attack. Australia was immediately there to help." - John Winston Howard)
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To: naturalman1975
I grew up with the traditional rules of no beards and no piercings of any kind in school - and I would have no problem with those rules today.

The point of my posts have been: which rules have been changed and what values do those changes reflect?

An examination of which rules have been changed in most institutions of western countries will reveal the same pattern of derangement - i.e. disturbance of order and function - by the same cultural forces in the same direction. (An example of one of these can be summed up as "boys should be more like girls or feminine.")

41 posted on 07/12/2011 6:25:31 AM PDT by drpix
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To: nickcarraway

The UK has a Muslim problem and they’re booting kids from school for growing a beard?


42 posted on 07/12/2011 6:32:45 AM PDT by FourPeas ("Maladjusted and wigging out is no way to go through life, son." -hg)
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To: FourPeas
Beard Gets Boy, 15, Banned From Class

I got kicked out of high school for growing a beard.
43 posted on 07/12/2011 6:37:06 AM PDT by aruanan
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To: nickcarraway
Harrison Cerami, the "boy" in question


44 posted on 07/12/2011 6:40:50 AM PDT by FourPeas ("Maladjusted and wigging out is no way to go through life, son." -hg)
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To: drpix
I do agree to an extent. There is a feminisation agenda in education. I teach at an all boys school where we take deliberate steps to ameliorate that as much as possible, but even in an all male environment it's not always easy, and in the typical co-educational school it's a lot harder.

But schools having the power to set standards on grooming and similar can actually be useful in terms of resisting these trends.

These are pictures from the webpage of the school in question.

Looking at them, what do we see. Well, I see a separate boys and girls uniform (similar, but different - boys are wearing collar and tie, girls are wearing blouses). We see boys with short hair, 'typical' of boys, girls typically with longer hair. Separate PE uniforms too (and it looks like boys and girls are also different sports).

Having these rules, if they are used to do it, actually allows schools to ensure that the differences between the sexes are acknowledged and not blurred out of existence. Now, it isn't always done well - some schools deliberately go for unisex uniforms and unisex standards, for example. But it can be done well, and to me it looks like this school is one that does try to do it well.

Boys are expected to dress and look like boys. Girls are expected to dress and look like girls. At least to the extent that this can be achieved with clothing and grooming.

If this school wanted to eliminate the differences between boys and girls, it wouldn't have different uniforms for them, and different expectations about hair and similar.

45 posted on 07/12/2011 6:49:34 AM PDT by naturalman1975 ("America was under attack. Australia was immediately there to help." - John Winston Howard)
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To: naturalman1975

I was in high school from 1955-1959. Most of the guys were fully capable of growing facial hair. Not one of us would even consider it. First off, our fathers said “no facial hair, no way.” Then Sister Mary Doorgunner would be waiting for us at the entrance to St. Mary’s, armed with a T-Square to sort out any violators. It prepared us for basic training. I had a beard for about three weeks 40 years ago. I looked like a dog with mange. I had a rather luxurious handle bar moustache at one time, but I’ve been facial-hair free for decades now. Both of my sons sport goatees, and both of my wife’s sons do as well. I prefer the clean shaven look/feel.


46 posted on 07/12/2011 8:00:47 AM PDT by Ax
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To: R. Scott

Better him than some guy who feels like a woman.


47 posted on 07/12/2011 8:36:06 AM PDT by Salamander (I don't want trouble, I don't need no fuss. But I'm wounded, old and treacherous.)
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To: drpix

And the ACLU would fiercely support his right to show up in class wearing a dress, if he went ‘that way’.


48 posted on 07/12/2011 8:38:29 AM PDT by Salamander (I don't want trouble, I don't need no fuss. But I'm wounded, old and treacherous.)
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To: FourPeas

Well.

There’s the “problem” right there.

Throw a little manly fur on that face and there’s gonna be a riot amongst the girls.

:)


49 posted on 07/12/2011 8:42:03 AM PDT by Salamander (I don't want trouble, I don't need no fuss. But I'm wounded, old and treacherous.)
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To: Salamander
I like ‘em hairy and scary.

And we like you too, sweetie.

Happy Birthday to Brer Odin.

50 posted on 07/12/2011 1:03:18 PM PDT by humblegunner
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