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Krugman in the NYT on Obama: "What a Disaster".
NYT ^ | July 24 2011 | Paul Krugman

Posted on 07/24/2011 6:53:32 PM PDT by GlockThe Vote

July 24, 2011, 10:11 AM President Pushover Updated: Drew article now available.

The redoubtable Elizabeth Drew has a forthcoming article in the New York Review of Books — not yet online — that confirms all our worst fears. She tells us that past concessions have

established in both Democrats’ and Republicans’ minds the thought that Obama was a weak negotiator—a “pushover.” He was more widely seen among Democrats and other close observers as having a strategy of starting near where he thinks the Republicans are—at the fifty-yard line—and then moving closer to their position. Even more alarming, however, is her window on what the White House is thinking:

It all goes back to the “shellacking” Obama took in the 2010 elections. The President’s political advisers studied the numbers and concluded that the voters wanted the government to spend less. This was an arguable interpretation. Nevertheless, the political advisers believed that elections are decided by middle-of-the-road independent voters, and this group became the target for determining the policies of the next two years.

OK, I’ve never won a tough election. But neither has Obama! The 2008 race was looking close until Sarah Palin and Lehman came along. And as far as I can tell, this assessment both of what 2010 was about and what matters for 2012 is just ludicrous.

(Excerpt) Read more at community.nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Humor
KEYWORDS: bho44; bhoeconomy; business; buyersremorse; elections; krugman; obama; politics
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Lmao.
1 posted on 07/24/2011 6:53:39 PM PDT by GlockThe Vote
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To: GlockThe Vote

The comments are priceless.


2 posted on 07/24/2011 6:55:21 PM PDT by GlockThe Vote (The Obama Adminstration: The flash mob who won’t leave.)
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To: GlockThe Vote

They’re starting to eat their own.


3 posted on 07/24/2011 6:56:12 PM PDT by Huskrrrr
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To: GlockThe Vote

If we Americans can continue sticking it to the commie union thugs, Barry won’t stand a chance in 2012.


4 posted on 07/24/2011 6:56:40 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (Hey Barry! Compromise this!!!)
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To: GlockThe Vote

I think the Football analogy is great.

barry the zero has handled this like the famous Jim “Chrissy” Everett “phantom sack”...


5 posted on 07/24/2011 6:57:54 PM PDT by freedumb2003 (Herman Cain 2012)
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To: GlockThe Vote
The President’s political advisers studied the numbers and concluded that the voters wanted the government to spend less.

I'll bet they got paid a lot of money to figure that one out. Amazing.

6 posted on 07/24/2011 6:59:21 PM PDT by vbmoneyspender
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To: Huskrrrr

I have been watching DU. Complete meltdown.


7 posted on 07/24/2011 7:00:13 PM PDT by GlockThe Vote (The Obama Adminstration: The flash mob who won’t leave.)
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To: Huskrrrr; GlockThe Vote
They’re starting to eat their own.

Well there is only one answer, egg them on.

8 posted on 07/24/2011 7:00:21 PM PDT by mnehring
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To: vbmoneyspender

Peruse some of the comments. Hysterical.


9 posted on 07/24/2011 7:00:59 PM PDT by GlockThe Vote (The Obama Adminstration: The flash mob who won’t leave.)
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To: GlockThe Vote

but i thought obama was so-o-o “intelligent”!

/s


10 posted on 07/24/2011 7:01:17 PM PDT by ken21 (liberal + rino progressive media hate palin, bachman, cain...)
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To: mnehring

I tried but have gotten banned from both DU and HP.


11 posted on 07/24/2011 7:01:45 PM PDT by GlockThe Vote (The Obama Adminstration: The flash mob who won’t leave.)
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To: GlockThe Vote

I am usually able to derive humor from Krugman. But you are right, the comments are hysterical..


12 posted on 07/24/2011 7:06:07 PM PDT by cardinal4 (Sun-Tzu/Atilla 2012)
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To: GlockThe Vote

I’m trying to find my NYT log in info and add comments there. Bigger audience than DU.


13 posted on 07/24/2011 7:06:40 PM PDT by mnehring
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To: GlockThe Vote
So the question is, will Obama be another LBJ, where a couple elder statesmen from the democrat party go to him and tell him it's time announce that he is not running in 2012 so that someone that actually has a chance of winning can get into the race?
14 posted on 07/24/2011 7:07:04 PM PDT by apillar
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To: mnehring

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=433x720712

Lmao!!!!


15 posted on 07/24/2011 7:08:09 PM PDT by GlockThe Vote (The Obama Adminstration: The flash mob who won’t leave.)
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To: cardinal4
President Obama is not a pushover. He is a right-wing Republican and talented con man. I don't care if he wins in 2012 or not; if one of the real Republican head cases becomes president, it will be worse, but maybe that's what the citizens of this moribund nation need to finally wake

case in point..

16 posted on 07/24/2011 7:09:07 PM PDT by cardinal4 (Sun-Tzu/Atilla 2012)
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To: cardinal4

These people are sick.


17 posted on 07/24/2011 7:09:07 PM PDT by GlockThe Vote (The Obama Adminstration: The flash mob who won’t leave.)
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To: GlockThe Vote
What's this thing about a "a broken clock is accurate at least twice a day"?

I think it's obvious that the combination of WAY too much government spending/regulations and a business-unfriendly income tax system is ruining the economy. It's time to implement that three-point economic recovery plan I've mentioned several times on FR and REALLY get the economy going again.

18 posted on 07/24/2011 7:09:32 PM PDT by RayChuang88 (FairTax: America's economic cure)
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To: GlockThe Vote
The 2008 race was looking close until Sarah Palin and Lehman came along.

Ya gotta laugh at liberals and their twisted way of looking at reality. McCain didn't have a prayer, until Sarah Palin showed up. She might have even pushed the ticket over the top if they'd actually wanted to win.

As it was, Team McCain did everything they could to throw the race to Obama, including putting the shackles on Sarah, but you can't expect a liberal moron like Krugman to have the 20/20 vision to see that.

19 posted on 07/24/2011 7:10:15 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: GlockThe Vote
I tried but have gotten banned from both DU and HP.

Stop bragging!!

20 posted on 07/24/2011 7:10:31 PM PDT by CharlyFord (t)
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To: CharlyFord

I tried being coy about it, but I got ahead of myself.


21 posted on 07/24/2011 7:11:23 PM PDT by GlockThe Vote (The Obama Adminstration: The flash mob who won’t leave.)
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To: GlockThe Vote

Frank Rich is another lunatic owned by the Times..


22 posted on 07/24/2011 7:12:45 PM PDT by cardinal4 (Sun-Tzu/Atilla 2012)
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To: apillar
So the question is, will Obama be another LBJ, where a couple elder statesmen from the democrat party go to him and tell him it's time announce that he is not running in 2012 so that someone that actually has a chance of winning can get into the race?

The old bulls in the Dem party made one of the gravest strategic errors of all time, when they willingly allowed the radical young turks of their party to take control. Obama was the very face of that radical, young, leftist contingent, and they fooked up and made him president.

I doubt there's enough testosterone in their whole party to tap him on the shoulder, now.

23 posted on 07/24/2011 7:16:16 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Windflier

Well said.


24 posted on 07/24/2011 7:18:26 PM PDT by John W (Natural-born US citizen since 1955)
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To: Windflier
They can't push him aside, because if they do 50% of the black voters will stay home in 2012..and it will be a wipeout of epic proportions...

If Obama's poll numbers continue to implode, and it looks really bad for the dems, then it will have to be the Black caucus memebrs, and one or two black columnists..Eugene Robinson comes to mind..who will make the first "suggestions" that perhaps Barry should step aside...

25 posted on 07/24/2011 7:20:08 PM PDT by ken5050 (Save the earth..it's the ONLY planet with CHOCOLATE!!!)
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To: GlockThe Vote

The comments are prolix.

Why did they get Krugman? Chomsky was too right wing?


26 posted on 07/24/2011 7:21:05 PM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (Somewhere in Kenya a village is missing its idiot)
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To: GlockThe Vote

I loved the one that laments, without a trace of irony, “Obama is a right wing Republican.”


27 posted on 07/24/2011 7:21:42 PM PDT by ishmac (Lady Thatcher:"There are no permanent defeats in politics because there are no permanent victories.")
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets

Chomsky was too coherent.


28 posted on 07/24/2011 7:21:42 PM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (Somewhere in Kenya a village is missing its idiot)
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To: ken5050
They can't push him aside, because if they do 50% of the black voters will stay home in 2012..and it will be a wipeout of epic proportions...

Damned if you do...

29 posted on 07/24/2011 7:23:13 PM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (Somewhere in Kenya a village is missing its idiot)
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To: All

when they REALLY turn on him, it will be ugly.
The Left are racists and that long stifled racial hate will manifest itself when they dump him for Hillary...


30 posted on 07/24/2011 7:24:14 PM PDT by Maverick68
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To: GlockThe Vote

The comments are priceless.


0bama is between a Barak and a hard place.


31 posted on 07/24/2011 7:25:41 PM PDT by unkus (Silence Is Consent)
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To: ken5050
They can't push him aside, because if they do 50% of the black voters will stay home in 2012..and it will be a wipeout of epic proportions...

This discussion has come up on FR lots of times. My conclusion, then and now, is that Obama would have to come up with some reason for stepping aside that was entirely believable and airtight, to retain the black voting bloc.

My guess would be something health related. I wouldn't put it past him to concoct some elaborate "I've fallen and I can't get up!" scenario to fool the 25% hard core left into believing that he can't run again.

32 posted on 07/24/2011 7:25:53 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: GlockThe Vote
Cat fight?

Krugman says... "I'm going to hurt Obama's feelings."

Damn, kitten fight.

33 posted on 07/24/2011 7:26:31 PM PDT by Trajan88 (www.bullittclub.com)
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To: GlockThe Vote

I held my nose and watched Krugman on Charlie Rose a couple weeks ago, where he made it clear his ONLY regret is Obama didn’t spend MORE in the so called stimulus. His type is even dumber than Obama, as hard as it is to believe.


34 posted on 07/24/2011 7:27:16 PM PDT by Golden Eagle
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To: CharlyFord

I made a few polite, not too snarky or provocative comments on DU and got banned. I was rarely even contrary, more probing, politely asking for a citation for an assertion or a clarification. I actually gently warned posters that they were in danger of making DU look like a bunch of moonbats, but I think I was polite and intended it constructively. Some people cannot take the least criticism.


35 posted on 07/24/2011 7:28:08 PM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (Somewhere in Kenya a village is missing its idiot)
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To: GlockThe Vote

I have been watching DU. Complete meltdown.


I bet some of them won’t vote for him again.


36 posted on 07/24/2011 7:28:54 PM PDT by unkus (Silence Is Consent)
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To: GlockThe Vote
You ain't just whistling dixie. Comment #169:

President Obama is not a pushover. He is a right-wing Republican and talented con man. I don't care if he wins in 2012 or not; if one of the real Republican head cases becomes president, it will be worse, but maybe that's what the citizens of this moribund nation need to finally wake them up.
37 posted on 07/24/2011 7:31:52 PM PDT by andyk (Interstate != Intrastate)
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets

I got bounced after two months. To be honest I think it was comments about partying golf, drinking, and date nights that got me banned.


38 posted on 07/24/2011 7:32:13 PM PDT by GlockThe Vote (The Obama Adminstration: The flash mob who won’t leave.)
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To: Windflier
Concur completely...and to make it seem credible....it can't be a last minute thing..because they will need time to solidify the black voters..

I suspect that the Dem internal polls are already making them very nervous..so if we try to walk back the possible timeline..you'd have to start seeing "hints" late this year..and he'd have to announce that he's not running by about March at the latest.

Other thing is that the Dems would have to decide u[pon the nominee..a primary would tear the party apart...I've been thinking that Hillary might be the one..Bill's been interjecting himself intot he discussion of altge, but after seeing that pic today of Hillary in a mu-mu..no way she's running...

39 posted on 07/24/2011 7:32:13 PM PDT by ken5050 (Save the earth..it's the ONLY planet with CHOCOLATE!!!)
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To: Windflier
So the question is, will Obama be another LBJ, where a couple elder statesmen from the democrat party go to him and tell him it's time announce that he is not running in 2012 so that someone that actually has a chance of winning can get into the race?

The old bulls in the Dem party made one of the gravest strategic errors of all time, when they willingly allowed the radical young turks of their party to take control. Obama was the very face of that radical, young, leftist contingent, and they fooked up and made him president.

I doubt there's enough testosterone in their whole party to tap him on the shoulder, now.

Well, I'm not even sure if the democrat party has any "elder statesmen" anymore, Carter and Clinton would probably be the closest, and Obama is flat out not going to listen to Clinton because of the bad blood between them during the last camapaign and the fact that Obama will think (maybe correctly) that the only reason Clinton wants him to step aside is so Hillary can run again. As for Carter, I'm not sure if anybody in the party really pays much attention to him.

40 posted on 07/24/2011 7:33:22 PM PDT by apillar
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To: unkus

True misery over there right now.


41 posted on 07/24/2011 7:33:22 PM PDT by GlockThe Vote (The Obama Adminstration: The flash mob who won’t leave.)
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets

I made a few polite, not too snarky or provocative comments on DU and got banned.


Oh, the tolerance and diversity!!!!


42 posted on 07/24/2011 7:33:52 PM PDT by unkus (Silence Is Consent)
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To: GlockThe Vote

Not sure why, but I am at least somewhat surprised that the comments on the NY Times site are even more moon-batty than those at DU.


43 posted on 07/24/2011 7:33:57 PM PDT by comebacknewt ((on second thought, never mind, go away again Newt))
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To: GlockThe Vote

I was the soul of gentility, not the least a troll. I really thought my tone was sympathetic, because I actually had some sympathy and was trying to understand their viewpoint.


44 posted on 07/24/2011 7:34:36 PM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (Somewhere in Kenya a village is missing its idiot)
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets

Lmao. I confess, I could not help but be lighter fluid on the flame after ahwile. Just too easy and enjoyable.


45 posted on 07/24/2011 7:35:53 PM PDT by GlockThe Vote (The Obama Adminstration: The flash mob who won’t leave.)
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To: comebacknewt

I wonder what krugman and the NYT think reading those comments. Ha a ha.


46 posted on 07/24/2011 7:37:14 PM PDT by GlockThe Vote (The Obama Adminstration: The flash mob who won’t leave.)
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To: GlockThe Vote

How did you get into DU? I can’t see any of their posts any more. I haven’t been banned because I never signed up. I used to be able to lurk whenever I wanted to. Now I get one advertisement and a blank page. Yes, I disparage DU here at FR routinely. But it would be extreme—if not impossible?—to ban my IP addy just because of some trash I talked on FR...would it not?


47 posted on 07/24/2011 7:37:26 PM PDT by Fantasywriter
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To: ken5050
If Obama's poll numbers continue to implode, and it looks really bad for the dems, then it will have to be the Black caucus members, and one or two black columnists..Eugene Robinson comes to mind..who will make the first "suggestions" that perhaps Barry should step aside.

Could happen, but he's already about hit rock bottom on his polling. His core base of support runs about 25%. What's he running now - about 40%? It could only get worse, if he loses even more Independents.

If the movers and shakers on the left aren't already thinking of tapping him on the shoulder, it's probably not going to happen. I'm thinking that murmurings of a challenge from the left should have already arisen, but they're nowhere in sight.

49 posted on 07/24/2011 7:38:46 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Maverick68
The Left are racists and that long stifled racial hate will manifest itself when they dump him for Hillary...

Did you really say that the left will dump The Lightworker from The Clouds for Hillary? LMAO...

50 posted on 07/24/2011 7:41:34 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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