Posted on 07/30/2011 1:44:23 PM PDT by Liberty1970
Brian Josephson, the Nobel Prize-winning physicist, asked a question on Andrea Rossi’s blog about the quality of the 1MW demonstration in October. He has been a defender of true research in the LENR field, frequently challenging debunkers to back up their objections with logic instead of repeating the same one-sided attacks so often a signature of pseudosceptics. In answer, Rossi invited him to the test. I am assuming that the question did come from Josephson but there is no doubt that the invite is real:
Brian Josephson July 30th, 2011 at 4:17 AM
October demo Andrea,
You’ve said the 1MW E-cat due in October will be the real test, but in what way will it be more convincing than the ones done so far? Will it be done in such a way that people are sure about the amount of water/steam coming out of the reactor, and how dry the steam is (which affects the heat content)?
Andrea Rossi July 30th, 2011 at 6:11 AM
Dear Prof. Brian Josephson (Nobel Prize), First of all, thank you for your very important attention. Please read very carefully what I am writing to you: 1-The 1 MW plant that we will start up in October will be tested, on behalf of our Customer, by very, very high level world class scientists. You are in the list, so please, if you want and you can, take free the last week of October. 2- The test will be witnessed by several very, very high level world class scientific journalists 3- The E-Cats we are working with now in our factories, which will be the modules of the 1 MW plant, are producing perfectly dry steam, mostly without energy input, as you will see yourself if you will honour us with your presence. Very Warm Regards, Andrea Rossi
Done properly (and it will have to be), this public launch should provide enough proof for potential customers. At that point, and not before (no matter who calls for it) we will have some certainty about what happens next. If the launch is also attended by senior science correspondents, this is also the time we should see the story break – one way or another, depending on results. As so many people have said before, proving such a beast will not be hard and the time for preparation should help arm those like Brian Josephson (assuming he accepts) to be ready to give us a definitive ‘yes’ or ‘no’.
That's illogical. You're challenging the validity of the invention and calling it a fraud. You need to back that assertion up with something more concrete than snarls, or sit down.
I have magical toilet paper that you guys can invest in, the burden of proof isn’t on me..../sarc
What a silly, childish technique you’ve tried: “... no one, no where, can ever produce a product because of China?” Spew hyperbole much? LOL IF something like this guy is claiming were feasible and output a reality, do you really think nations like China would bow to international law and not steal the idea for their own benefit? I cannot think of one off the top of my old head this instant, but I know I’ve read of ‘intellectual properties’ being stolen by a nation which could not be forced to cease and desist because of ‘too big’ to prosecute. It happens a lot in durable goods like apparel and electronic goodies. Even happens in military hardware.
I didn't say something "cool." I said a scientific accomplishment. Your confusion of the two is telling.
Blacklight has been going for 20 years, attracted over $60 million, ***And Rossi’s been going for about a year, attracted 6-7X as much money,
I'll be sure to use that as evidence against those who say Rossi isn't in it for the money? Feel free to join in.
***If you don’t like the articles, don’t read them.
I won't, but when I see people perpetuating fraud, I'm going to have something to say.
Probably fraud.
***Let’s examine that probability. Let’s say that 14,000 scientific researchers decided independently that they were going to defraud the scientific establishment and produce some fake result that happens to agree with all the other frauds.
If the chance that one guy is a fraud is, well, 1/5 then the chances that 14000 other frauds would replicate the result would be 1/5*1/5*1/6... or (1/5)^14000
That’s an incredibly, cosmologically small number. Mathematicians consider the chance of an impossible event to be (1/10)^50, and here you have (1/10)^2800 which is far, far, far less than impossible, let alone probable.
There isn’t any invention to discuss the validity of...just a black box that no one can look inside ... very much like a magician who won’t let you look inside one of his trick boxes.
Doesn’t mean it is real magic.
“stuck on stupid.”
Marks of a con usually get upset when they find they were taken. So, go ahead, be mad. I expect that. The uneducated, ignorant, and stupid are always easily taken. As it is said, if you want to take someone, lie big. Big lies are believed by those that cannot get their head around it.
Rossi has a history of lying, from his “degree” that wasn’t to other enterprises that weren’t, either.
Your only rebuttal to any comment has been, “You’re wrong”. That’s it. That’s all you’ve got, and, frankly, that’s all Rossi has given you.
“very much like a magician who won’t let you look inside one of his trick boxes.”
Yep. These guys supporting Rossi swear the rabbit did come out of an empty hat.
Let me get this straight. Because you're incapable of inspecting Rossi's equipment, or of conducting your own tests, that somehow proves that he's selling snake oil?
LOL!
Honestly, friend. If you don't have real proof that this technology is fraudulent, or if you can't quote chapter and verse of the scientific principles and data which disprove it, it's probably best to sit back and just watch as the story develops.
I'm not making any declarative judgment about it myself, because I'm not sufficiently educated to do so, nor am I in a position to inspect or test it. The truth about this will wash out soon, and I'm patient enough to stand by until it does.
You guys must be working with Rossi, he said on his website that he was opening a factory in the US and when I looked up his business license and posted pics of the empty lot where this factory supposedly was the entire thing was erased from his website.
“do you really think nations like China would bow to international law and not steal the idea for their own benefit?”
You obviously are completely ignorant of IP law around the world. It is silly and childish to make such comments as you just did.
No nation that grants a patent will allow China to import their ripoff product into their nation.
Grow up. Calling anything you don’t agree with as “silly and childish” is juvenile. Then again, you have a history of that.
http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2702316/posts?page=39#39
Here are the posts on this mysterious factory that he was going to setup in the US
That's just silly. You really ought to read the extensive literature available on this invention before you say such things. Just because Mr. Rossi won't reveal his trade secret to you, doesn't mean that he's selling an empty box.
The man is being very public about what he's doing, and has invited qualified observers to measure the inputs and outputs on his device many times. He's convinced some of the smartest people in the world that there's really something to this. If he's a con man, he sure is going about it the wrong way.
He'll either prove it with his new installation in October, or he won't. No skin off my teeth if he doesn't, but if he does, he's changed the world. Let's just sit back and see what happens, shall we?
Bwahahaha ... so you think it mature to use such hyperbole? LOL, you have a nice evening, wherever you are.
***Not enough of one. I’d love to take your money in a bet against this technology at Intrade.
That isn't much of a denial. I think Kevmo may be getting paid to post this stuff on FR.
Agreed, this kind of stuff defrauds the Freerepublic community and makes a party to fraud.
I didn’t say something “cool.” I said a scientific accomplishment. Your confusion of the two is telling.
***You’re grasping at straws here, if you think the difference is significant, sparky. Look how many times there have been space shuttle launch threads, and yet most of them generated little in the arena of scientific accomplishment.
I’ll be sure to use that as evidence against those who say Rossi isn’t in it for the money? Feel free to join in.
***Rossi is obviously in it for the money and to change the world. Just like the Wright brothers. Or are you going to be accusing them of fraud, too?
I won’t, but when I see people perpetuating fraud, I’m going to have something to say.
***Then show where it is a fraud. Rossi acts more like the Wright brothers than a fraud.
That isn’t much of a denial. I think Kevmo may be getting paid to post this stuff on FR.
***Well, then in that case I think Moonman62 is getting paid to post naysaying anti-CF stuff at the behest of his employers who would get wiped out when this technology breaks out.
Best of luck with that one, Admin Mod. Let us know if any lines are getting crossed.
I hope no one on Freerepublic has been taken in by your fraud, you are obviously a party to this.
I've got no opinion on that, and I have no way of knowing whether you're telling the truth, or not.
What I do know, is that this man has set the physics community on fire with this development, and he's invited an eminent physicist and other scientists to witness the start up of his 1 MW facility in October. He's filed patents, and has refused many offers from potential investors. He's also been very public about everything he's doing. No con man alive works that way.
That said, I'm not personally in a position to judge this invention one way or another, and neither is anyone else who doesn't have concrete proof that this is a fraud. It will be proved or disproved, one way or another. When that happens, we'll know the truth with certainty.
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