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OK- Making an economic Armageddon retreat - what do I need?
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Posted on 08/11/2011 7:49:26 PM PDT by dila813

Ok, I am out shopping for the perfect retreat to get away from the city and if required live out there without any resupply required.

What I have so far identified: 1. Plentiful Nearby Food Supplies 2. Lots of Land 3. Shelters - anything specific about the shelter other than insulation, wood heat, and wind power with back up generators? 4. Guns? 5. Ammo? 6. Tools? 7. Sanitation?


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To: G Larry

Well, I plan to be at this spot when SHTF, but if not, I will have to hunker down till I can get to my retreat. I have many ways of getting there though.

This is a 50 Year + Retreat vs some sort of home bunker.


41 posted on 08/11/2011 8:47:49 PM PDT by dila813
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To: dila813

Survival preparation can be fairly involved, when you start getting down to the details. First and foremost, you need to outline the four “emergency” situations you need to prepare for.

1. At home/short term: You stay in your home, but the essentials are in short and unreliable supply. Usually consider up to two weeks.
2. At home/long term: Same as above, but the supply of essentials is less reliable and the duration longer. Anything over two weeks.
3. Evacuate your home/short term. The situation requires you to pack up and leave. You will be leaving for up to two weeks.
4. Evacuate your home/long term. Same as 3, but you have to leave for over two weeks, plan for up to one year.

Once you break your plan down above, you need to fill out the details for each scenario.

You need one gallon of water per person per day. Not all of this needs to be potable, some will be for hygiene. But if you can plan on one gallon of potable water per person per day, you should be all right.

Three meals per day per person. Make sure you plan on food that everyone likes and eats already. Do NOT “plan to ration.” Plan on eating and drinking what you need every day. Rationing is for when your plan is inadequate. Don’t plan inadequately. Be sure the meals are balanced nutritionally, and have not expired. Be sure to take into account any food allergies.

Medicine. Store enough medicine to get through the emergency. Bear in mind that some medicines require refrigeration. This makes it tough, and is one of the more difficult aspects of long-term survival preparation.

First aid. Have a good supply of the basics.

Defense. You don’t need an arsenal. You need a shotgun, a rifle, a powerful handgun. What you need is a fair amount of ammo. .22s are very good because 100 rounds can fit easily in your pocket. If you’re good with a .22, you can take a lot of game.

Transportation. One of the chief concerns among survivalists right now is what the full effects of an EMP detonation will be. Some say it will shut down anything with any type of micro-circuitry, which includes automobiles with any type of computer or digital controls. Others say it won’t be that bad, that a car may sputter, may stall, but will start again. I’m still researching this issue. However, the safest bet is to have a sizable, 4x4 built 1972 or earlier. Computers were introduced after 72. If you go this route, make sure it does not have electronic ignition. If the worst-case-scenario happens after an EMP, you’ll need to have all computer/micro-circuitry parts backed up and stored in a faraday cage. Before you “but out,” you’ll have to replace all such parts.

I lived in Seattle for 10 years. The North Cascades are a good destination. I wouldn’t target anywhere from Snoqualmie Pass to Stevens Pass. When the SHTF, a lot of Seassholes will head out to that area. If they ban together, they will loot you, despite their peace signs. You need to get far enough away that it is difficult for a large group of people to reach you collectively with any ability to loot you.

As others have said, be sure to have a good water filter if you have to evacuate. Go to REI and get plenty of the two-bottle water treatment kits, a portable filter with back up filter replacements.

Also, don’t forget you’ll need a way to cook. For short-term, fuel-based stoves will work fine. Get the type that use multiple fuels. You get a jet for “white fuel” Coleman’s fuel, etc. You get another jet for other fuel types (gasoline, kerosene, etc.). Bear in mind this requires fuel. So part of your survival gear should include extra five-gallon containers of gasoline.

Sounds like a lot? It is. That’s why you’ll need a roof-rack on your bug-out vehicle and, if possible, some sort of a trailer. But keep in mind you may not be able to that trailer too far off road.


42 posted on 08/11/2011 8:48:27 PM PDT by Ghost of Philip Marlowe (Prepare for survival.)
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To: dila813

before you buy that remote piece of land you might want to read this book.

http://www.amazon.com/dp/9870563457?tag=surviinargen-20&camp=14573&creative=327641&linkCode=as1&creativeASIN=9870563457&adid=0YS947GSKAMG2T1ARMC6&;


43 posted on 08/11/2011 8:49:48 PM PDT by BMWR1200C
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To: kingu

No, you were right before, this isn’t the bolt hole, this is literally a place where I am setting up for extended family to rendezvous at for long term survival.

We are looking at 14 people that will be able to arrive within a 5 hrs notice at this site and 40+ within 25 hrs.


44 posted on 08/11/2011 8:50:50 PM PDT by dila813
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To: dila813
Plentiful Nearby Food Supplies -— Meaning there is a massive supply of food I know I can procure from the wild. I have the skills for this, I have no doubt about this.

So do lots of people. Keep in mind that our ancestors drove most species of game animals close to extinction in the 19th century, when there were a quarter as many of us and they were using black powder rifles. In a real doomsday scenario, every animal larger than a chipmunk within a hundred miles of a paved road will be dead in six months.

45 posted on 08/11/2011 8:51:25 PM PDT by ccmay (Too much Law; not enough Order.)
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To: Kartographer

I’m still inclined to think the Mad Max scenario is unlikely, at least long term.

The lifespans of people who like to go door to door or neighborhood to neighborhood stealing and raping and causing general mayhem would probably be measured in weeks, if not days.

There are alot of folks in this country who are veterans or have experience in law enforcement, toss in the crowd who hunt or have hunted in the past, if the SHTF, these guys are not going to tolerate any shenanigans. None at all.


46 posted on 08/11/2011 8:51:57 PM PDT by djf (One of the few FReepers who NEVER clicked the "dead weasel" thread!! But may not last much longer...)
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To: BMWR1200C

That’s cool, I will definitely pick this up on my e reader right now


47 posted on 08/11/2011 8:52:16 PM PDT by dila813
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To: Kartographer; dila813
I'm also adding some of these to my supplies: http://www.newhopeseed.com/tobacco_seeds.html

Gonna be a lot of people out there jonesin for a smoke after prepackaged junk is all used up.

48 posted on 08/11/2011 8:53:32 PM PDT by kimmie7 (I do not think BO is the antichrist, but he may very well be 665.)
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To: dila813

after you read the book check out this site. Lots of answers.

http://www.survivalistboards.com/


49 posted on 08/11/2011 8:54:04 PM PDT by BMWR1200C
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To: kimmie7

that is a good idea


50 posted on 08/11/2011 8:54:10 PM PDT by dila813
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To: BMWR1200C

Dang, no ebook


51 posted on 08/11/2011 8:54:51 PM PDT by dila813
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To: dila813

If you don’t have a personal relationship with Jesus Christ, there really isn’t anywhere safe to run off too.

Secondly, any state barring constitutional carry should automatically be off the list.

Third, a church family is the best shelter in which to both receive grace, and to give grace to others that need Christ.

Packing off and running for the hills is not really a Christian response. We need to be marching towards the drums of war.


52 posted on 08/11/2011 8:54:58 PM PDT by Salvavida (The restoration of the U.S.A. starts with filling the pews at every Bible-believing church.)
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To: dila813
Your list has some omissions and is out of order. First three on your list should be:

1. Water

2. Water

and 3. Water

If you do not have a secure source of those three all else doesn't matter.

53 posted on 08/11/2011 8:56:33 PM PDT by Mad Dawgg (If you're going to deny my 1st Amendment rights then I must proceed to the 2nd one...)
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To: Ghost of Philip Marlowe

I’ve thought that some kind of rail hand car would make a good bug out vehicle. I wish this article had some pictures.

How To Build a Railway Handcar

I also have see rail bikes that people have made.


54 posted on 08/11/2011 8:57:22 PM PDT by Kartographer (".. we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes, and our sacred honor.")
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To: dila813
dogs and children living together in dog houses

My dogs and children have always lived in the same house -- my house! LOL

55 posted on 08/11/2011 8:57:30 PM PDT by afraidfortherepublic
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To: ccmay

not in this area, it isn’t near a paved road, the nearest paved road requires you to ford a river.

This place is insanely infested with wild life, it is actually going to be a danger that these people hunting wildlife on these paved roads may drive them right into my area causing us to be stampeded or have predators roaming the immediate area all the time hunting them.


56 posted on 08/11/2011 8:57:30 PM PDT by dila813
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To: dila813

Egress: Should bad guys come, or snow, or flood, can you get out several different ways? Would you be trapped by deep mud? Can someone fly in to you maybe? Such as in Colorado, mountains to one side and your property faces east leaves few egress avenues if need be in the winter time.

Growing season: Say all is well, the birds are chirping, the wind is breezy, and the sun is shining...can you grow some food? Is the soil rich enough or can you make a nice garden? Is it too treed, or maybe too barren? Is there enough water? Maybe a good well or a running creeek or river nereby?


57 posted on 08/11/2011 8:58:20 PM PDT by CodeToad (Islam needs to be banned in the US and treated as a criminal enterprise.)
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To: Mad Dawgg

That’s true, that was my first criteria for the property.


58 posted on 08/11/2011 8:58:38 PM PDT by dila813
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To: dila813

Go to Alaska dept of lands management. Check put remote state land auctions. Some great deals WAY, WAY remote. Stick with SE Alaska.


59 posted on 08/11/2011 9:02:20 PM PDT by Integrityrocks
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To: dila813

Check out the authors blog and read his earlier posts.
http://www.themodernsurvivalist.com/


60 posted on 08/11/2011 9:03:01 PM PDT by BMWR1200C
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