Posted on 10/10/2011 11:23:35 AM PDT by Liberty1970
I hope it’s true, but his PR appears to be more akin to PT Barnum vice Albert Einstein.
Simple answer......no. They use hydrogen peroxide as the fuel for the NASA "flying belts", but it is highly purified (I forget whether it is 90% or 99%, but of that order). The more dilute it is, the less the max available energy/time. You're not going to power a "flying belt" with the stuff from your medicine cabinet. Run that through the same catalyst used in the "flying belt", and all you'll get is some fizzy water (got to watch out that the oxygen released doesn't get to some combustibles, though).
FWIW, Dr. Guiseppe Levi (who has overseen and done many of the early Rossi tests) and one of the Swedish physicists that witnessed some of those tests, were both members of either Randi's group, or similar national groups affiliated with it.
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That’s what it boils down to, nobody knows, except for Rossi, who admittedly has character issues.
***So that would mean that all these scientists are not only liars, but fools as well, since Rossi’s character issues are there for everyone to see.
The last time history saw such a great collection of supposed liars and fools was the 11 remaining disciples of
Christ, and they turned the world upside down.
How do we know that it was water he was pouring down the drain. There are other possibilities. For example, Hydrogen Peroxide (H2O2) reacts with nickel (among other metals) to produce heat, steam and Oxygen (O2).
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How to Prove that the Rossi/Focardi eCAT LENR is Real (or fake)
LENR.QUMBO.com ^ | April 6, 2011 | Alan Fletcher
Posted on Sunday, June 05, 2011 7:52:15 PM by Kevmo
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2730401/posts
It's a common magicians trick to have plants, and for all we know they are being paid by Rossi. Why else would they take the time to watch a guy boil a kettle of water and then applaud?
These skeptic scam artists have nothing. Straw men, personal attacks, and wild speculation based on nothing from thousands of miles away. Who should I believe, a couple of anonymous key whackers on a forum board or a roomful of scientists and their lying eyes in the same room as the e-cat?
for all we know they are being paid by Rossi.
***Yet another classic fallacy. Argument from silence.
For all we know, they could be butterfly faeries visiting from the 17th dimension of moonmanlandia.
After all, this is not some magic show with a bunch of kids. You are talking about a roomful of professors. They are human, like the rest of us. But they are also perfectly aware of the astounding nature of the claims for the E-cat, and the skepticism surrounding it. It would behoove them as professionals, as experts, and as ordinary curious humans to critically examine the evidence in front of them.
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***This is where moonboy is likely to pull back and say he was just joking, in it for the “entertainment” value, like an average entertainment troll.
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Actually, it's not. I went through that entire thread, and there's no mention of Hydrogen Peroxide, which seems kind of strange since it does include many less likely gimmicks.
As someone pointed out earlier in this thread, a 90% Hydrogen Peroxide solution with a metal catalyst is so energetic that it is used to power the flying jetpack. It would require a much lower concentration to produce the amount of heat seen in the e-cat. 35% concentrations of Hydrogen Peroxide is a commonly available for the food industry (and on Amazon.com).
Hydrogen Peroxide is transparent, colorless, odorless and mixes readily with water. If the water being pumped into the e-cat did contain a sufficient amount of Peroxide, it would produce the same heat and steam as the e-cat does produce.
I'm not saying that this is how the e-cat actually works, but I haven't seen anything to suggest it should be ruled out. A simple, well-known chemical reaction is far easier to accept than a whole new physics which contradicts everything we think we know about nuclear reactions.
The fact that they throw away the water coming out of the device without doing any testing of it is very suspicious, especially since the document at the top of this very thread describes how it is carrying away a significant amount of heat with it, which is exactly what he's claiming to be interested in testing!
Rossi needs to crank his Ecat up, and let it provide heat for a major complex at the University for the winter, to show its viability as a stable energy source.
The document seems to describe two separate water streams: a small (no more than 10 liters/hour) stream being pumped through a pump, and a large (4554.3 liters over the duration of the test, or 1200 gallons). The small stream is being fed into the e-cat device, and the large stream is being fed into a heat exchanger attached to the e-cat device.
I also saw a video of a test from September, where the "water" being fed into the e-cat was being pumped from a plastic garbage can at a very slow rate (10 liters/hour would be a reasonable guess).
If this is an accurate description of the test, then it's easy to see how it could be faked. All Rossi would have to do is put a few gallons (about 10 gallons for a 4-hour test) of Hydrogen Peroxide (35% solution) in the bucket instead of water. The H2O2 would, upon contact with the Nickel, turn to water steam and Oxygen. Everything else about the test could be nothing more than subterfuge.
Has anyone verified that the "water" he is trickling into the e-cat (using the 10 liter/hour pump) is really water. Maybe in the next test, he should drink a glassful of it at the start of the test. If he survives longer than the e-cat runs, that would be a good indication that it wasn't Hydrogen Peroxide.
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Re: [Vo]:Clear, odorless, water-based & combustible Jed Rothwell Sun, 17 Apr 2011 08:40:23 -0700 Jones Beene wrote: In the category of clear water-based liquids which burn cleanly enough to >
be used indoors, and which could be confused with water in a testing >
arrangement (since it would be so unexpected as the ‘trick’ used to pull-off >
the deception) - there are several choices. >
How much would it cost to make 54 tons of it? That’s how much they would need for the 18-hour test. Might be hard to hide. - Jed
How much would it cost to make 54 tons of it? That’s how much they would need for the 18-hour test. Might be hard to hide. - Jed
But he isn't using "tons" of fluid to run the e-cat. He's only using at most 2.5 gallons per hour. Note that he has a pump with that rating pumping the working liquid, which Rossi claims is plain water, into the e-cat.
This is a video made by Rossi, showing the device running in early September. Go to 2:45 to see the part where he shows the "water" supply. He is feeding the working liquid through a tiny hose from a plastic garbage pail, which is at most 1/4 full. The pump he uses to inject the "water" into the e-cat has a maximum capacity of 10 liters (2.5 gallons) per hour.
So there certainly isn't a problem with him using something other than water to fake these tests. I would note that Amazon.com carries 5-gallon containers of 35% Hydrogen Peroxide for less than $150, so the total "fuel" cost for his for 4-hour test would be less than $300.
The fact that in this latest test he pumped "tons" of plain water through a secondary pathway is totally irrelevant to the e-cat function. In fact, it turned out to be a nice bit of misdirection, since it is (correctly) assumed that he couldn't produce "tons" of some magic fuel.
I'll ask the question again: Has anyone tested the liquid Rossi is actually pumping into the e-cat to verify that it is water? If so, then I guess I'm wrong. But I've never read or seen any indication that anyone actually examined the working fluid closely.
If, in fact, Rossi is still using a separate container to hold this fluid for his current tests (as he was doing last month, according to his own video), then he needs to prove that the fluid is, in fact, ordinary water. If he won't do so, then I think we've discovered how he's faking his results.
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