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Quantum theorem shakes foundations
Nature ^ | 17 November 2011 | Eugenie Samuel Reich

Posted on 11/18/2011 5:52:08 AM PST by ShadowAce

At the heart of the weirdness for which the field of quantum mechanics is famous is the wavefunction, a powerful but mysterious entity that is used to determine the probabilities that quantum particles will have certain properties. Now, a preprint posted online on 14 November1 reopens the question of what the wavefunction represents — with an answer that could rock quantum theory to its core. Whereas many physicists have generally interpreted the wavefunction as a statistical tool that reflects our ignorance of the particles being measured, the authors of the latest paper argue that, instead, it is physically real.

“I don't like to sound hyperbolic, but I think the word 'seismic' is likely to apply to this paper,” says Antony Valentini, a theoretical physicist specializing in quantum foundations at Clemson University in South Carolina.

Valentini believes that this result may be the most important general theorem relating to the foundations of quantum mechanics since Bell’s theorem, the 1964 result in which Northern Irish physicist John Stewart Bell proved that if quantum mechanics describes real entities, it has to include mysterious “action at a distance”.

Action at a distance occurs when pairs of quantum particles interact in such a way that they become entangled. But the new paper, by a trio of physicists led by Matthew Pusey at Imperial College London, presents a theorem showing that if a quantum wavefunction were purely a statistical tool, then even quantum states that are unconnected across space and time would be able to communicate with each other. As that seems very unlikely to be true, the researchers conclude that the wavefunction must be physically real after all.

David Wallace, a philosopher of physics at the University of Oxford, UK, says that the theorem is the most important result in the foundations of quantum...

(Excerpt) Read more at nature.com ...


TOPICS: Science
KEYWORDS: gagdadbob; onecosmosblog; quantum; stringtheory; wavefunction
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To: ZX12R
"I never spend much time thinking about philosophical mumbo jumbo."

Unlike this guy. :)

61 posted on 11/18/2011 10:46:49 AM PST by Matchett-PI ("One party will generally represent the envied, the other the envious. Guess which ones." ~GagdadBob)
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To: Matchett-PI
Unlike this guy. :)

Obviously he's your hero.

It's one thing to say that reductionism is dead, and mystical properties of emergence are what's really at work, but quite another to actually back it up. Until someone does, it's just more speculative metaphysical mumbo jumbo. See Robert Laughlin's lousy attempt at it. "A Different Universe". Painful to read.
62 posted on 11/18/2011 11:05:08 AM PST by ZX12R (FUBO GTFO 2012 !)
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63 posted on 11/18/2011 11:36:39 AM PST by TheOldLady (FReepmail me to get ON or OFF the ZOT LIGHTNING ping list)
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To: ShadowAce

LOL, I love it.


64 posted on 11/18/2011 12:58:43 PM PST by TASMANIANRED (We kneel to no prince but the Prince of Peace)
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To: SunkenCiv

Ping


65 posted on 11/18/2011 1:07:43 PM PST by Captain Beyond (The Hammer of the gods! (Just a cool line from a Led Zep song))
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To: cerberus

The article made my brain freeze. I am depending on freepers to put it into language I can understand. Brain still going in circles saying “WHAT” GG


66 posted on 11/18/2011 5:10:32 PM PST by goat granny
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To: Moonman62
I never get bohred by arguments about quantum interpretations.

It is twice the fun in a parallel universe.

67 posted on 11/18/2011 5:12:49 PM PST by School of Rational Thought
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To: concerned about politics

If energy never dies but just changes form, does it not in fact die to be born as something else?


68 posted on 11/18/2011 5:17:15 PM PST by goat granny
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To: Excellence
***Does anyone know where I put my Advil?***

Check your bath tub, thats where I finally found my glass's after days of searching.

69 posted on 11/18/2011 5:20:08 PM PST by goat granny
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To: decimon; AdmSmith; bvw; callisto; ckilmer; dandelion; ganeshpuri89; gobucks; KevinDavis; ...

Thanks ShadowAce.


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70 posted on 11/18/2011 7:40:18 PM PST by SunkenCiv (It's never a bad time to FReep this link -- https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: Captain Beyond

Whoops! Thanks Captain Beyond!


71 posted on 11/18/2011 7:40:33 PM PST by SunkenCiv (It's never a bad time to FReep this link -- https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: Lady Lucky

The Universe is right handed.


72 posted on 11/18/2011 7:46:02 PM PST by MHGinTN (Some, believing they cannot be deceived, it's impossible to convince them when they're deceived.)
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To: KarlInOhio

Schrodinger’s wheat field?


73 posted on 11/18/2011 8:11:03 PM PST by Rocky (REPEAL IT!)
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To: Mr. K
Would you have a perfectly flat spot in the ocean -where all waves cancel each other- suddenly a wave appears on the opposite end?

I do believe you're conflating transverse waves (motion of particles perpendicular to the motion of the wave) and longitudinal waves (motion of particles parallel to the motion of the wave).

Water waves are confusing because they involve both types of motion. G'rrr.

Here's a website which gives a good run down:

Mechanical Waves.

And a link therein.

If you think that's weird, then feast your eyes on this:

Slinky Defies Gravity

Cheers!

74 posted on 11/18/2011 8:55:50 PM PST by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: ShadowAce; Physicist; Slings and Arrows; SunkenCiv; Darksheare

75 posted on 11/18/2011 10:52:01 PM PST by martin_fierro (< |:)~)
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To: ShadowAce
"David Wallace, a philosopher of physics at the University of Oxford, UK"

A philosopher of physics? Now that's a mighty interesting job title.

76 posted on 11/18/2011 11:10:57 PM PST by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: ShadowAce; SunkenCiv; E8crossE8

This is an example that we shall not believe everything we read. Their arguments are wrong as the state vectors are not orthogonal, hence their conclusions are not correct.

Read more here http://motls.blogspot.com/2011/11/nature-hypes-anti-qm-crackpot-paper-by.html


77 posted on 11/19/2011 12:49:59 AM PST by AdmSmith (GCTGATATGTCTATGATTACTCAT)
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To: concerned about politics

So if a tree falls in the forest, does it make a noise?


78 posted on 11/19/2011 1:10:27 AM PST by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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To: Donald Rumsfeld Fan

The quote attributed to Lord Kelvin (sometimes Rutherford or Bohr) when chastising a group of postgraduate students philosophizing about a phenomenon,...was, “If you can’t quantify and qualify what the hell you are talking about, then you don’t really know what the hell you are talking about!”

It was also expressed more tactfully by Lord Kelvin in a documented lecture.


79 posted on 11/19/2011 1:32:34 AM PST by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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To: Donald Rumsfeld Fan

PS (no implications towards yourself were intended)


80 posted on 11/19/2011 1:33:31 AM PST by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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