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We Have Our Own eCat Says Defkalion ^ | 11/20/11 | Admin

Posted on 11/20/2011 3:01:21 PM PST by Liberty1970

We Have Our Own eCat Says Defkalion November 20, 2011 | Author: admin

An article in the Greek publication Tovima quotes Defkalion’s Alexander Xanthoulis as saying that the company has the eCat technology independent of Rossi and is almost ready to roll. They claim that their system is stable and that Rossi’s is not. According to their version of the split, that instability was at its centre and that AR did not demonstrate the eCat to the required specification – that of a stable run lasting at least 48 hours.

Tovima Googlated:

“We not only continue our program and we are almost ready, with technology that precedes that of Rossi during a year. Specifically, within the next 15 days there will be announcements and initiated testing and certification by independent third parties. We will present the final product – not just a laboratory prototype – with all its subsystems to operate according to European safety standards. ”

“And the catalyst?” We asked. “It’s not supposed to be secret Rossi?”

“All the technology used in devices at the Hyperion KW and systems 1 to 5MW are our own design – different from those of Rossi” he replied. “As for the control, was already our own design and construction, and Mr. Rossi has signed acceptance certificate shows that it is ours. Even in the recent trial in October when he used some modules of our own design. However, the main and big difference in our device than that of Rossi is that our system is stable in performance, while that of Rossi or the last test failed to yield stable for more than five and a half hours. ”

- So the rift between you was not due only to non-payment of first installment repayment, said Mr. Rossi?

“Not sure. We had finished the 15 million dollars of first dose, but Mr. Rossi did not sign the protocol of receipt, asking him to meet parameters such as the stable operation of the device for at least 48 hours. This was the real cause of the interruption of cooperation, but not celebrated in the media because they want to continue a deleterious confrontation. Us us interested in real progress, and this success. The technology will present a few days the world will be entirely Greek and appreciate its contribution to the overthrow of what exists in the energy market. “

That sounds to me like a legal defence in preparation.

The article adds a few gems of information that – if true – shed a little light on the politics behind eCat’s birth. According to Tovima:

2007: Rossi meets Piantelli and seek its cooperation. He refuses, but Rossi associate itself with the Focardi.

Isn’t that something?

The race to market is now on. For some investors, simply knowing if this thing is true or not is extremely valuable. If DGT is to be believed, the Hyperion will soon form a second locus around which the new energy world will turn. Interested buyers can go to Rossi for proof or to Defkalion – both under escrow protection.

The movie plays on.

More in the article.

[With thanks to Arian]

TOPICS: Business/Economy; Miscellaneous; Science
KEYWORDS: canr; cmns; coldfusion; defaults; defkalion; ecat; iberian; lenr; magic; rossi; show
One of the things that is hard to square with the notion of Rossi perpetrating a hoax is the appearance of competition with him using the same technology. This is a good thing from a consumer and free-market competition angle, for sure, and can only hasten the widespread availability of fusion reactors if real.
1 posted on 11/20/2011 3:01:22 PM PST by Liberty1970
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To: Kevmo

*Ping* This is interesting, if Defkalion really has the goods and without infringing on a Rossi patent.

2 posted on 11/20/2011 3:03:26 PM PST by Liberty1970 (Skepticism and Close-mindedness are two very different things.)
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To: Liberty1970

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A new short course on cold fusion science and technology sponsored by the Engineering and Computer Science departments at Massachusetts Institute of Technology will be held in January 2012 during institute’s Independent Activities Period.

Designed for MIT students, Cold Fusion 101: Introduction to Excess Power in Fleischmann-Pons Experiments addresses the early history of cold fusion science beginning with the analysis of the original palladium-deuterium type systems that Drs. Fleischmann and Pons used in their research during the late 1980s.

3 posted on 11/20/2011 3:14:04 PM PST by Sundog (When Hollywood defines reality there is no reality.)
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To: Liberty1970

The translation of these posts makes a confusing situation even more so.

4 posted on 11/20/2011 3:17:45 PM PST by arkady_renko (I want to believe.)
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To: Liberty1970
These two aren't the only companies ready to roll something out there. At the same time none of them seem to be too sure of what it is they are doing but it doesn't have hard radiation and doesn't leave behind radioactive isotopes.

The North Koreans appear to have an atomic bomb design that does pretty much the same thing which requires them to spread around radioactive isotopes pulled out of their nuclear reactors in some sort of attempt to trick us. Did you realize that they blew up one of these bombs called "the Great Fizzle", and a few months later walked back into the cavern with yet another bomb ~ no one was irradiated!

The Iranians have some sort of atom bomb program going on and the other day they are said to have blown up 20 sq. miles of a military base where they do their atomic research ~ killed their top guy and a bunch of his scientists. They continue to search for bodies ~ and we must presume they are just dead, possibly parboiled, not crispy!

In the mix of news we now find that a research group has confirmed that you can catch virtual particles appearing in "the vacuum", tag a touch of energy to them and lo and behold you get TWO PHOTON SOURCES.

These events may all be of a piece with Wintogreen Mints crunched in front of a mirror in a darkened room, or x-rays emitted by Scotch tape pulled off the roll in a vacuum.

The difference is some are scaled up and some seem to be "controlled" and yet two groups none of us like, Iran and North Korea, may be using the process to make theatre weapons that leave no radioactive residue.

It's certainly a Brave New World ~ and it's coming down fast.

5 posted on 11/20/2011 3:17:57 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: Liberty1970

Assuming that Rossi is amenable to being bought out, rather than risk going to court to defend his invention, Defkalion would probably be interested in either buying him out or bringing onboard and pay him a generous salary.

It’s usually cheaper and better for both parties that way.

6 posted on 11/20/2011 3:22:48 PM PST by Jonty30
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To: Liberty1970

Rossi has been refused patent protection in most places.

If the technology is real, no government would want a foreign patent holder to be able to lock their economies out of equal access, and if it hasn’t worked then no patent would be granted either.

Still waiting for one of these things to show up in public use, if real.
Also enjoying watching the naysayers stick their necks out.

7 posted on 11/20/2011 3:25:46 PM PST by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: muawiyah

Interesting. How does this differ from the neutron bombs that were talked about in the past. Level a city and re-inhabit it shortly?

8 posted on 11/20/2011 3:27:41 PM PST by arkady_renko (I want to believe.)
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To: arkady_renko
The big difference between the proposed Neutron Bomb and this is that the Neutron Bomb was your regular old fashioned Strong Nuclear Force run away fission fission device.

These guys may have tapped into a couple of otherwise hidden energy sources ~ the Weak Nuclear Force or "the vacuum" where there are all these virtual particules bopping around going in and out of reality just waiting to be actualized. In neither situation would you get much hard radiation although you might quickly figure out how to open a portal to another dimension where they've got a planetary scale landfill operation working and there goes the neighborhood at this end of our galaxy.

9 posted on 11/20/2011 3:33:48 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: All

I’m buying my E-cat from Acme Corp. The same place a wily coyote buys his goods from. I don’t want to stop a roadrunner, just go off grid.

10 posted on 11/20/2011 3:34:06 PM PST by BipolarBob (Of all the gin joints in all the towns in all the world and she walks into mine.)
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To: muawiyah

Tesla. He was sure that something could travel FTL. But at that time, there were no “particle” physics. So he concerned his thoughts to waves. Toward the very end of his life, he was working on disproving Einstein’s theory that nothing could travel FTL. Now Cern has found neutrinos exceeding FTL. Could get interesting!

11 posted on 11/20/2011 3:34:25 PM PST by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ( Ya can't pick up a turd by the clean end!)
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To: Liberty1970
But the Greek Co. said,

“All the technology used in devices at the Hyperion KW and systems 1 to 5MW are our own design – different from those of Rossi”...

Do they have something different from or only more refined than Rossi?

12 posted on 11/20/2011 3:34:55 PM PST by count-your-change (You don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: Dr. Bogus Pachysandra
Yes, somebody ~ or a bunch of somebodies ~ has stepped over the line into a new technology dealing with otherwise little researched physics.

If people think the economy stinks now wait until we have free steam heat ~ and personal deathrays.

13 posted on 11/20/2011 3:38:59 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah

“wait until we have free steam heat ~ and personal deathrays.”

I want one!. “Hey! You kids! Get offa my grass!. ZZZZZZap!”

14 posted on 11/20/2011 3:43:02 PM PST by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ( Ya can't pick up a turd by the clean end!)
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To: Dr. Bogus Pachysandra
The neutrinos obviously start out here ~ (which is why we know about them) ~ disappear into somewhere else (unzer space) and pop out in the same line further down the road ~ but unzer space has a higher speed limit.

It's a trick done with smoke and mirrors.

Next experiment, explained the same way is the neutrinos appear here, disappear so fast we don't notice, and show up BEFORE they've appeared. Again, a trick but one that makes it look like they go backwards in time.

15 posted on 11/20/2011 3:45:51 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah

Kinda like Tachyons.

16 posted on 11/20/2011 3:55:29 PM PST by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ( Ya can't pick up a turd by the clean end!)
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To: muawiyah
'...and there goes the neighborhood at this end of our galaxy.'

Iranians hoping to bring in the Mahdi?

17 posted on 11/20/2011 3:57:05 PM PST by arkady_renko (I want to believe.)
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To: Dr. Bogus Pachysandra
There are currently no entries for the term "unzer space" ~ which means IT'S MY WORD ~ WOW!

Not the first time though.

Actually, the ancient Hindus intuited the structure ~ they called it "Earth" which was bound between "The Heavenly Realm" and "The Demon Realm". Buddhism expanded on that a bit, and Zoroaster kind of turned it into a Dualist sort of Heavenly existence where you had the God of Light and the God of Dark ~ but as an explanatory tool it was all pretty much the same thing.

One of the major discoveries of our time is that of "the Vacuum". It's filled to the brim with particles that flit in and out of existence. It's a vast storehouse of energy. Doesn't matter where you go it's there ~ and if you tweek it just right those particles will pop out for a short time and then go back in.

The physicist/mathematicians (the high priests of our time) determined that we would be able to trap some of these virtual particles in pairs ~ due to their nature as either MATTER or ANTIMATTER ~ it's supposed to look like two phtons.

So, they did just that ~ and that satisifies the ancient's view of existence ~ two realms, and reality ~ we are in reality but we can communicate, sort of, with the other two realms.

There are "creatures there". They can walk in on us and make your virginal daughters instantly pregnant ~ and that sort of thing. Or they can just appear out of nothing and send us messages about going to church and so forth ~ then disappear.

They may be interested in our need for steam heat for apartment buildings in fact.

There should also be some situations where the folks on the other side do not intend good outcomes for our efforts.

18 posted on 11/20/2011 4:08:34 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: arkady_renko
Iranians most likely have not been working on a bomb but rather on an intradimensional mobile reality lounge.

I think they screwed up big time.

19 posted on 11/20/2011 4:11:01 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: Liberty1970
The E-Cat story is starting to look like a spaghetti western.

20 posted on 11/20/2011 5:06:19 PM PST by familyop ("Nice girl, but about as sharp as a sack of wet mice." --Foghorn Leghorn)
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To: Liberty1970

BTW, I doubt that it will save either of the two nations from default. Northern countries will be understandably skeptical and wary.

21 posted on 11/20/2011 5:15:15 PM PST by familyop ("Nice girl, but about as sharp as a sack of wet mice." --Foghorn Leghorn)
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To: muawiyah

I thought black holes, where light couldn’t escape, was found to emit neutrinos(weak force?) which showed up in some deep underground pool as they traveled through earth. Being the escape velocity to leave a black hole would be faster leaving than light coming in.

How do they know they (neutrinos) are moving and not just blinking like a xmas bulb on a string of lights where it only appears to be movement?

22 posted on 11/20/2011 5:50:42 PM PST by Razzz42
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To: familyop
Greece and Italy BOTH import 70% - to 90% of their energy needs (depending on year and season).

Dekalian and Rossi both hold out the promise to them of finally being able to meet their bills without getting involved in international imperialism and conquest.

23 posted on 11/20/2011 5:57:30 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: Razzz42
Could be neutrinos "travel" in "unzer space", or like lights on a string (making them simply a weightless phenomenon without mass), or possibly they're really particles in our universe with which we rarely interact, and they always travel at or above the speed of light.

Now, about tunneling out of a blackhole ~ once you do that trick you're out and you take off at the speed of light ~ which ain't that fast all at once so they'd be stretched out like crazy ~ very long wave phenomenon. Get a few thousand miles away and they'd shorten up tight ~ the speed of light would be the same in all cases.

Now, about neutrinos ~ according to the little brief at Wiki, neutrinos interact with the WEAK FORCE and GRAVITY ONLY.

They mediate the fusion of hydrogen in stars ~ (and probably the fusion of hydrogen with other junk in the corona of stars but I couldn't find anybody who claims that yet ~ Widom and Larsen et al do claim fusion occurs in the corona but haven't pinned down what that means in terms of all possible interactions.)

Good questions. BTW, I've been following what our more scientific brethren are into for most of my life. They promised FUSION ENERGY which would produce electricity so cheap you wouldn't need to meter it.

They didn't.

But I try to keep up. A lot of this depends on a fairly good grounding in mathematics ~ mostly in the orthography but also in the structure with stuff in motion through time. A good deal of it also depends on 'speriments ~ unavailable to most of us so I've always found it useful to know some professional physicists who have engaged in 'speriments and they can explain it ~ which they do along with a whole lot of other stuff they think you need to know.

Fortunately I live in a community that has professional physicists and scientists around. You do know those guys have a pretty high burn out rate. You go from grad school to a project, and you last through that project until it completes, or leads to something else, and if it falls through ("numerous blue laser" projects fell through) you are kind of out of the field. Seems like a waste of good talent but right now we have plenty of spare physicists.

The internet is fairly comprehsive and has all sorts of really great instructional materials. There's no reason someone with time on their hands can't develop a fairly decent understanding of the four fundamental forces. You can quickly develop more intelligence than was available to anyone 50 years ago, and maybe even more than was available 10 years ago. Just stick to it. Maybe you too can build a new home heater that runs on dirt and leaves.

24 posted on 11/20/2011 6:21:45 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: MrEdd
Also enjoying watching the naysayers stick their necks out.

I'm a naysayer and I still think it's a scam. I've also said, repeatedly, that I would love to be wrong. The implications of this being real are enormous.

If it is real, I wonder what the gov is going to do? Ban them, steal the tech in the public's interest, prohibit export? Will the envirowhackos come out for or against it?

Are the people that think this is real investing in nickel?

Nickel investing The market is supposed to improve in 2012, at least according to the nickel investing website.

I hope we get an answer soon.

25 posted on 11/20/2011 7:14:33 PM PST by Lx (Do you like it, do you like it. Scott? I call it Mr. and Mrs. Tennerman chili.)
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To: dangerdoc; citizen; Lancey Howard; Liberty1970; Red Badger; Wonder Warthog; PA Engineer; ...

Thanks for the ping.

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Unfortunately, if Rossi did the following:

1) hired a bunch of actors to pretend to be the customer reps,

2) created an elaborate year-long special-effects-derived series of demos,

3) bribed, hypnotised or otherwise fooled Focardi, Levi, Kullander, Essen, Bianchini, Stremmenos

4) arranged for Piantelli, Miley and a host of others to try to fool the world into thinking that cold fusion was real,

5) got NASA, SPAWAR, The Defense Threat Reduction Agency and The Defense Intelligence Agency to say nice things about the field,

6) got Bushnell to make a fool of himself,

7) and convinced his former partners to set up another company called Ampenergo to pretend that they had a contract for The Americas for a substantial sum
-—— or that they just did this with no proof because they have worked with Rossi and trust him because he’s such a fine fellow,

8) sold his profitable company to his ex-partners in order to spend that wealth on a multi-million dollar scam;
-—— certain that once he got all the above ducks in a row he would pretend to sell the first device
-—— and then reel in the true target of his dastardly plan

9) and convinced a bunch of Greek crooks to set up a dummy company called Defkalion
-—— to pretend to fight with him over the non-existent eCat,
-—— to perpetuate the illusion and spin it off into a competing mirror-scam

[the second (this time genuine) buyer of a 1MW plant that will net him $2 million dollars
-—— until they want their money back or sucker a $100 million dollar deal under the table
-—— because he has experience in pulling the wool over all these idiotic eyes
-—— and knows that they will just take his word for it
-—— and not want to test if his 1MW plant can heat a small village without truckloads of coal or oil or a big fat electric cable coming into the container from beneath the floor (no you can’t lift the carpet!) ]

10) and that, in order to pull this off, Rossi had to risk discovery by interviewing all the people he subsequently fooled so that he could only invite the gullible Professors and not the brilliant anonymous posters on the Internet who surely would have found him out

then, yes, all bets are off and I’m with the guys who think that Rossi is an idiot and they are all geniuses.

26 posted on 11/20/2011 7:19:13 PM PST by Kevmo (When a thing is owned by everybody nobody gives value to it. Communism taught us this. ~A. Rossi)
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To: Liberty1970
[Vo]:Stremmenos comments on Rossi and Deflakion Aussie Guy E-Cat Mon, 21 Nov 2011 18:13:48 -0800 "Ch Stremmenos November 21st, 2011 at 5:13 AM Caro Andrea DC carry my remarks on a paper "CACIATORI OF COLD FUSION" published yesterday in the newspaper, greek Tovima. The comment has the title "more serious and more honesty," not only addresses the preparation of the Journal: "I feel personally responsible for the transfer and fate of the invention (Cold Fusion) Rossi in Greece, then guardian of thevalues ​​in it: With scientific and idealistic reasons involving my friends, colleagues and long-term partners: ing. A. Rossi and Prof.S. Focardi characters of this epoch-making innovation, we have attempted to pass along in Greece, science and technological prospects for a promising future in this. .. Country .. Place of birth Leucippus and Democritus, and through this symbolism, promote new energy era for the benefit of all mankind. As for the Greek company "Defkalion Green Technologies SA", sadly and with great regret, I find myself in conscience for the frivolous and inconsistent to say the least inconsistent behaviorgeneral and for breach of contract financial documented with A. Rossi takes about almost a year. I conclude with an essay that the people of my native land Evrytania: "the lamb of the poor, never gets ram ...!." Prof.Ch. Stremmenos " And so the war carries on.
27 posted on 11/21/2011 9:19:17 PM PST by Kevmo (When a thing is owned by everybody nobody gives value to it. Communism taught us this. ~A. Rossi)
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