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Asked "How many people have we burned at the stake in this country...?"
The O'Reilly Factor ^ | December 7, 2011 | vanity

Posted on 12/07/2011 8:57:32 PM PST by eccentric

I would like to know the answer to that question. Keep in mind, that most witchhunts occured BEFORE 1776, and the victims were hung not burned.

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Does anyone have an accueate count?
1 posted on 12/07/2011 8:57:37 PM PST by eccentric
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To: eccentric

Not enough, judging by the cast of The View.


2 posted on 12/07/2011 8:59:31 PM PST by Question Liberal Authority (I also think that Obama should be defeated.)
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To: eccentric

LOL Funny you mention this stupid remark. I was just watching that (repeat). Typical hippie.

I’m sure somewhere in this (actual) country of many, many people, someone may’ve been burned - at the stake - at the hands of someone else over apostasy or some such. But it’s irrelevent.

It’s never happened as a movement in this country that I’m aware of. The Salem stuff was as a colony, long before there was a new country.


3 posted on 12/07/2011 9:02:57 PM PST by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Technological progress cannot be legislated.)
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To: eccentric

0?


4 posted on 12/07/2011 9:03:18 PM PST by dangus
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To: eccentric

From wiki so take it with a grain of salt but it looks to be about 40 total...

In Massachusetts, there are two cases of burning at the stake. First, in 1681, a slave named Maria tried to kill her owner by setting his house on fire. She was convicted of arson and burned at the stake at Roxbury, Massachusetts.[10] Concurrently, a slave named Jack, convicted in a separate arson case, was hanged at a nearby gallows, and after death his body was thrown into the fire with that of Maria. Second, in 1755, a group of slaves had conspired and killed their owner, with servants Mark and Phillis executed for his murder. Mark was hanged and his body gibbeted, and Phillis burned at the stake, at Cambridge, Massachusetts.[11]

In New York several burnings at the stake are recorded, particularly following suspected slave revolt plots. In 1708 one woman was burnt and one man hanged. In the aftermath of the New York Slave Revolt of 1712 20 people were burnt, and during the alleged slave conspiracy of 1741 no less than 13 slaves were burnt at the stake.[12]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_by_burning#Historical_usage


5 posted on 12/07/2011 9:05:33 PM PST by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, now Christian "I once was lost but now am found, was blind but now I see".)
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To: eccentric

Check “What’s So Great About Christianity” - it was very few, just cannot remember exactly.


6 posted on 12/07/2011 9:06:33 PM PST by DennisR (Look around - God gives countless, indisputable clues that He does, indeed, exist.)
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To: the OlLine Rebel

Apostasy from which groups here in the US? I don’t recall any that burned apostates at the stake, slit their throat? Yes, but not burned at the stake.


7 posted on 12/07/2011 9:07:17 PM PST by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, now Christian "I once was lost but now am found, was blind but now I see".)
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To: eccentric

11.


8 posted on 12/07/2011 9:07:30 PM PST by Revolting cat! (Let us prey!)
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To: reaganaut

what was cut from the actual quote was “based on religious ideals”. Adjust these numbers to JUST religious reasons and only after 1776 and the answer is?


9 posted on 12/07/2011 9:09:53 PM PST by eccentric (a.k.a. baldwidow)
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To: eccentric

Ummm, I’m not aware of a single “witch hunt” since Salem, Mass, in the 1690s. The Puritan leadership of the colony was so embarrassed about what happened there, I’m fairly sure we didn’t have any more actual executions for witchcraft after that...not totally sure though, may have been a couple more isolated cases, but certainly not after 1776 and the new USA.

Fairly certain there were NO official executions ever by “burning at the stake” in America, as that’s an old religious form of execution (for heresy...) and too many early Protestants died that way back in the old country....and the Protestants here didn’t want to repeat that here. The Puritans did hang Quakers in Boston...but again, you have to go back into the 1600s to find that.


10 posted on 12/07/2011 9:11:31 PM PST by AnalogReigns (because REALITY is never digital...)
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To: eccentric

In that case the answer is ZERO.


11 posted on 12/07/2011 9:18:13 PM PST by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, now Christian "I once was lost but now am found, was blind but now I see".)
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To: eccentric
Question is far too vague to answer.

By who?

Europeans only or all ethnicity?

By the state after a trial or by angry mobs?

Are we talking for religious or civic crimes?

Do prisoners of war being burned as revenge count?

Are we talking the entire area of what is now the USA or are we talking about only territory that was the US at that time?

Should I include the areas which are now territories?

Pre or Post Revolution?

Pre or Post Constitution?

Should the CSA be included or excluded from 1860-1865?

For example if the Navajo burned a skinwalker in 1813 in the area which is now the southwest US should I include or exclude them?

If you are referring to English Colonists in the thirteen states area and the crime being witchcraft after a court trial I believe the answer is zero.

12 posted on 12/07/2011 9:19:44 PM PST by Harmless Teddy Bear (*Philosophy lesson 117-22b: Anyone who demands to be respected is undeserving of it.*)
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To: eccentric

13


13 posted on 12/07/2011 9:21:42 PM PST by Revolting cat! (Let us prey!)
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To: reaganaut

About burning at the stake... whoops....count me wrong. A few were executed in America that way...

It doesn’t appear though, these executions were religiously motivated however—which in Europe, was virtually always what burning at the stake was (supposed to be) about.

In Europe, heresy was punished (by the secular rulers) after the Church authorities had a trial (an inquisition) examining a person for heresy. If convicted, then the victim would be turned over to the state authorities for execution (so the Church wouldn’t technically kill anyone...).

In the 1550s,something like 400 Protestant leaders died this way under “Bloody” Queen Mary of England—a fanatical Roman Catholic. When moderate Queen Elizabeth I (whom they named Virginia after) took over there was great rejoicing in England by the Protestants.

Part of the reason for using fire for heresy was to warn others of the terrors of hell (awaiting heretics), to “purge” the community by fire...and, interestingly, so the Church could not be accused of “shedding blood.”


14 posted on 12/07/2011 9:23:53 PM PST by AnalogReigns (because REALITY is never digital...)
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To: AnalogReigns

Which is why it is zero. The number is about 40, but if you add in ‘for religious reasons’ and after 1776 in the US, it comes to zero.

I am VERY VERY familiar with the practice in Europe (both for political and religious reasons) since I am a Medieval historian specializing in death and religion and have interests in heretical movements and the inquisition.


15 posted on 12/07/2011 9:27:42 PM PST by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, now Christian "I once was lost but now am found, was blind but now I see".)
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To: AnalogReigns

Thanks for the information. I think it’s also important to note that Christ said or did nothing whatsoever that would justify the killing of heretics. Wasn’t the Protestant movement largely created because the Roman Catholic church of that time was clearly NOT Christian?


16 posted on 12/07/2011 9:34:06 PM PST by CitizenUSA (What's special about bad? Bad is easy. Anyone can do bad. Aspire to be good!)
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To: AnalogReigns

Clarification, the number is about 40 here in the US total. The numbers in Europe, especially stretching back into the Middle Ages goes much higher.


17 posted on 12/07/2011 9:34:45 PM PST by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, now Christian "I once was lost but now am found, was blind but now I see".)
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To: reaganaut

Wait just a minute, if you count Native Americans, the number is far higher.

Probably no documentation, but the tribal root doctor often blamed disease, famine etc. on an absent aged chief. Then he would be set upon and killed. No doubt they burned a few. Practice was highly discouraged by U.S. in the 1870s.


18 posted on 12/07/2011 9:35:10 PM PST by The_Media_never_lie
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To: reaganaut
reaganaut: “I am VERY VERY familiar with the practice in Europe (both for political and religious reasons) since I am a Medieval historian specializing in death and religion and have interests in heretical movements and the inquisition.”

Please note my reply to AnalogReigns. Based on your studies, don't you agree the real heretics of that age were the ones practicing the Inquisition?

19 posted on 12/07/2011 9:37:14 PM PST by CitizenUSA (What's special about bad? Bad is easy. Anyone can do bad. Aspire to be good!)
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To: eccentric
... and the victims were hung not burned.

Umm, been watching porn snuff films lately?

20 posted on 12/07/2011 9:37:59 PM PST by TotusTuus ("Hanged", the proper term is "hanged".)
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To: eccentric

I did want to mention that among the Shawnee Indians, and the tribes of the Northwest Indian Wars, burning at the stake was not uncommon as both torture and execution. Grenadier Squaw’s village marker near Circleville Ohio points out that the one small hill was called the burning grounds for that was where they burnt the captives. After reading Allan Eckert’s books I realized several of the people on the Ohio frontier met their death this way. While the colonials themselves did not execute too many people in this manner they were sometimes killed this way by their Indian foes. So if you count Indian captives many dozens more died burning at the stake on US soil.


21 posted on 12/07/2011 9:38:47 PM PST by dog breath
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To: The_Media_never_lie

Source? I have not seen or read any account of Native American burnings at the stake.


22 posted on 12/07/2011 9:39:46 PM PST by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, now Christian "I once was lost but now am found, was blind but now I see".)
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To: CitizenUSA

Speaking PROFESSIONALLY, I would not use the word ‘heretic’ however the general view among Protestant groups and proto-protestant reformers was that the Catholic church strayed very far from Biblical teachings that they had indeed become outside the guidelines of traditional Christianity and thus a return to Biblical Christianity was required.

But I do understand where you are coming from and can easily see how that could be considered a valid argument.


23 posted on 12/07/2011 9:43:43 PM PST by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, now Christian "I once was lost but now am found, was blind but now I see".)
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To: The_Media_never_lie

Would that be considered ‘for religious reasons’?


24 posted on 12/07/2011 9:44:48 PM PST by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, now Christian "I once was lost but now am found, was blind but now I see".)
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To: eccentric
Who's "we"?

I doubt anyone on FR has ever burned even a single person at the stake.

25 posted on 12/07/2011 9:51:52 PM PST by TChris ("Hello", the politician lied.)
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To: CitizenUSA

It’s interesting that in a good bit of continental Europe, the reasons for burning were due to the practices of witchcraft, sodomy and lesbianism. These conditions were usually found together and eventually exposed by the children they were focusing on. It seems this is rarely written or spoken of now days.


26 posted on 12/07/2011 9:52:37 PM PST by martian622 (The Revolution is being televised.)
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To: TChris
I doubt anyone on FR has ever burned even a single person at the stake.

Uhm, please speak for yourself, thank you.

27 posted on 12/07/2011 9:53:13 PM PST by Revolting cat! (Let us prey!)
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To: Revolting cat!

ORLY? What’s the count? :)


28 posted on 12/07/2011 9:57:40 PM PST by TChris ("Hello", the politician lied.)
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To: Revolting cat!

Well, I’ve burned people with a steak, but that was accidental.


29 posted on 12/07/2011 9:58:39 PM PST by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, now Christian "I once was lost but now am found, was blind but now I see".)
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To: eccentric

Those Jesse Watters bits are the best part of the BOR Factor.

And Dennis Miller.


30 posted on 12/07/2011 9:59:30 PM PST by bigbob
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To: eccentric

I have heard the actual number is 2-3 if that. It is most likely an urban legend.

Pray for America


31 posted on 12/07/2011 10:12:37 PM PST by bray (The Tea Party Occupies their Minds)
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To: eccentric

I believe that the only people in this country that ever burned anyone at the stake were certain Eastern Indian tribes. As far as I know all the convicted(wrongly of course)witches were all hung. After the mass hanging of the Salem witches I believe the practice of convicting witches was done away with.


32 posted on 12/07/2011 10:23:47 PM PST by calex59
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To: reaganaut

I read that there was an Indian or several burned alive at the stake in the late 1800s Oklahoma Territory for rape. It was lynching without hanging.

Can’t find the book I read it in.

Quite a few people hanged and then burned, mostly Negros during the Lynching years and two whites burned after being hanged in a range war in Nebraska.


33 posted on 12/07/2011 10:25:37 PM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar
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To: The_Media_never_lie

***Wait just a minute, if you count Native Americans, the number is far higher.***

I have several eye witness accounts of white prisoners being tortured and burned by the Indians.


34 posted on 12/07/2011 10:30:28 PM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar
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To: calex59

Correction to post 32. Apparently some slaves were burned at the stake for various crimes, but these were not religious crimes.


35 posted on 12/07/2011 10:30:39 PM PST by calex59
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To: Revolting cat!

Good Answer!
36 posted on 12/07/2011 11:35:25 PM PST by Krankor (I think it's time we stop, children, what's that sound. Everybody look what's going down)
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To: eccentric

Additionally, when someone tries to bring up The Crucible as an indictment of “McCarthyism”, (A) there WERE witches in The Crucible just as there WERE Communists in the USA, and (B) the book was written BEFORE McCarthy’s rise, he became the focused target to attack all of the investigations.

The communist sympathizers in the State Department outlasted Joe and today their are still unelected officials who work from within “the beast” to take down this country or at least push their own agenda contrary to the elected leadership (hello Valerie Plame).


37 posted on 12/07/2011 11:55:22 PM PST by a fool in paradise (Since Obama's only challengers in 2012 are in the GOP debates, include him the next 15.)
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To: reaganaut

I seem to remember hearing about some activity in Duck Hill Mississipi and Gainesville Florida that wasn’t much to be proud of. Just to be accurate.


38 posted on 12/08/2011 1:02:49 AM PST by donmeaker (e is trancendental)
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To: reaganaut

If you widen the parameters to include the Spanish Colonies you would find a lot more, since they brought the inquisition with them. In particular, Sephardic Jews trying to establish themselves covertly in the new world were targets.


39 posted on 12/08/2011 1:55:08 AM PST by chb
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To: the OlLine Rebel

And I think they drowned those witches. Some of them, at least. I’ve never hard of anyone being burned at the stake in this country, unless the Indians did it.


40 posted on 12/08/2011 2:15:54 AM PST by afraidfortherepublic
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To: eccentric

I know of one Kenyan I’d like to see burned at a stake on pay per view.


41 posted on 12/08/2011 3:33:17 AM PST by Joe Boucher ((FUBO) Hey obammy,just get out and take your wookie bride with ya)
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To: eccentric

Keep in mind, BO claims he is a Christian too.


42 posted on 12/08/2011 3:56:16 AM PST by Neoliberalnot ((Read "The Grey Book" for an alternative to corruption in DC))
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To: eccentric

Quoth Curly Stooge:

“I’d rather have a hot stake than a cold chop!”


43 posted on 12/08/2011 4:06:45 AM PST by Fresh Wind ('People have got to know whether or not their President is a crook.' Richard M. Nixon)
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To: eccentric

Zero. Absolutely none. The only witches executed were while we still colonies of Great Britain, and they were executed by hanging. Burning at the stake was mostly a Catholic thing.
The Spanish might have burned some people at the stake in Florida or the Southwest, but they don’t count...
Some Indian tribes liked to torture people to death by roasting them, too. They don’t count either.


44 posted on 12/08/2011 4:29:42 AM PST by Little Ray (FOR the best Conservative in the Primary; AGAINST Obama in the General.)
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To: reaganaut

Wow. Great find. I said zero, but I was obviously wrong.


45 posted on 12/08/2011 4:35:51 AM PST by Little Ray (FOR the best Conservative in the Primary; AGAINST Obama in the General.)
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To: reaganaut

“... that the Catholic church strayed very far from Biblical teachings ...”

Indeed it had, but this is itself a testimony of the Power of the Life of Christ. What had started out a millenium and change eariler as a dead “cult leader” and his delusional rabble had developed such influence over such distance that those who lust for power and control over others were attracted to its councils...and the perversion began. We see this dynamic in play today as the government of the people, by the people, for the people is perverted into its exact opposite. The more things change....


46 posted on 12/08/2011 4:51:20 AM PST by TalBlack ( Evil doesn't have a day job.)
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To: reaganaut

The aged chiefs were killed in a variety of ways for ‘religious’ reasons. That is the point.

I think it was President Tyler (Tippacanoe and Tyler Too) who initiated a program to end these ‘witch hunt’ killings.


47 posted on 12/08/2011 6:12:59 AM PST by The_Media_never_lie
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To: eccentric

Don’t forget the Waco Branch Davidian Standoff when fire claimed the lives of 80 of his Branch Davidian followers including 25 children, in what seemed to be their final trial by the US government.

http://www.culteducation.com/waco.html


48 posted on 12/08/2011 7:23:47 AM PST by Arrowhead1952 (Dear God, thanks for the rain, but please let it rain more in Texas. Amen.)
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To: reaganaut

As I said at the end, it’s irrelevent because it’d be an isolated incident.

I only said it’s possible 1 person in some isolated incident burned 1 other person at a stake because he didn’t like the religious views of said latter person. After all, we have had millions and millions of people here.

I’m not agreeing with the moron hippie.


49 posted on 12/08/2011 8:29:46 AM PST by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Technological progress cannot be legislated.)
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To: TChris; Harmless Teddy Bear

The context of the hippie’s comment was about Lincoln Chaffee’s “holiday tree”, instead of calling it “Christmas tree”. So it was specifically regarding religion.


50 posted on 12/08/2011 8:40:04 AM PST by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Technological progress cannot be legislated.)
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