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Weekly Gardening Thread (Seeds) Vol. 2, January 13, 2012
January 13, 2012 | JustaDumbBlonde

Posted on 01/13/2012 8:25:57 AM PST by JustaDumbBlonde

Good morning everybody! It is cold and clear here in NE Louisiana, zone 8a, we should reach 50° today under sunny skies. We've received several inches of rain in the past 3 weeks, so there will be no garden prep for a while yet, but the sunny sky has a way of getting me in the mood.

In last week's thread we discussed our seed and supply catalogs. This week I intended to discuss saving seeds from our own harvests, and starting seeds indoors. In preparing, I actually found a couple of articles that are very informative and give good information in very plain, easy to understand language.

Both of these articles are from GRIT magazine online. It is my hope that you will benefit from this information. The pages seem to load very slowly, but you may find it time well invested.

Vegetable Seed Saving: What You Need to Know

Preparing to Start Seeds

If you have any links with good information along these lines, please feel free to share them with the group!


TOPICS: Agriculture; Food; Gardening; Hobbies
KEYWORDS: gardening
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The Weekly Gardening Thread is a gathering of folks that love soil, seeds and plants of all kinds. From complete newbies that are looking to start that first potted plant, to gardeners with some acreage, to Master Gardener level, we would love to hear from you.

This thread is non-political, although you will find that most here are conservative folks. No matter what, you won't be flamed, and the only dumb question is the one that isn't asked.

It is impossible to hijack the Weekly Gardening Thread ... there is no telling where it will go and that makes it fun and interesting. Jump in and join us!

1 posted on 01/13/2012 8:26:05 AM PST by JustaDumbBlonde
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2 posted on 01/13/2012 8:28:27 AM PST by JustaDumbBlonde (Don't wish doom on your enemies ... plan it.)
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To: JustaDumbBlonde

Good morning JADB! Yep cold here and sunny, may get to 50°.


3 posted on 01/13/2012 8:31:00 AM PST by Red_Devil 232 (VietVet - USMC All Ready On The Right? All Ready On The Left? All Ready On The Firing Line!)
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To: JustaDumbBlonde

We’re back in the freezer here in Central Missouri. 12° when I left the house this morning. Nothing doing in the garden until it warms up a bit.


4 posted on 01/13/2012 8:35:23 AM PST by Augie
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To: JustaDumbBlonde

Thank you!!
We are in SE Pa. and it is coooold and very windy out. A grey January day.

Seeing this post and entertaining thoughts of planting gives me a smile on a day like this. :-)


5 posted on 01/13/2012 8:35:41 AM PST by SueRae (I can see November 2012 from my HOUSE!!!!!!!!)
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To: JustaDumbBlonde

Hi everyone! I am telling you our weather is just crazy. Yesterday, it was close to 60 degrees. Today is cold and windy. Up and down, down and up. Hubby is saying if we get any more warm days, he’ll have to cut the lawn. LOL!


6 posted on 01/13/2012 8:36:00 AM PST by momtothree
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To: JustaDumbBlonde

Don’t forget about saving Tomato seeds using Oxi-Clean.

Here is a link with instructions and photos.

http://www.settfest.com/2009/01/saving-seeds/


7 posted on 01/13/2012 8:38:13 AM PST by Red_Devil 232 (VietVet - USMC All Ready On The Right? All Ready On The Left? All Ready On The Firing Line!)
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To: JustaDumbBlonde

The weather is absolutely unreal and we are getting most of our spring cleanup done a little early. It still continues to be a bit cooler than normal and we have gone from 25% more than normal rainfall at the end of October to a deficit of 45% today and We now have 26 seed/plant catalogs but that’s my wife’s fault...


8 posted on 01/13/2012 8:40:23 AM PST by tubebender (I always wanted to be somebody, but now I realize I should have been more specific.)
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To: JustaDumbBlonde
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9 posted on 01/13/2012 8:41:31 AM PST by JustaDumbBlonde (Don't wish doom on your enemies ... plan it.)
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To: JustaDumbBlonde
The global warming has hit the Ohio Valley! 12 degrees after rain yesterday, coupled with 50 mph winds. A friend of mine jokingly talks about his polar bear relocation program. He wants to move them from the warm arctic to frigid Steubenville.

Does anybody recommend an heirloom seed company? I ordered from heirloomseeds.com last year and I was disappointed in some of the seed. Last year was my first experience with heirlooms, so if bad seed is common let me know. My beans, corn, toms, and peas did well. My melons, squash, cabbage, and broccoli did not. I'm a bit worried about my garlic. After planting it my husband has suggested that we start a major remodel of our house. If we start in a few months the garlic will be destroyed. Is it possible to transplant them this spring?

10 posted on 01/13/2012 8:47:09 AM PST by goodwithagun (My gun has killed fewer people than Ted Kennedy's car.)
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To: JustaDumbBlonde

Morning.

Sun is shining and thermometer reads 44 (it was over 60 yesterday) but with a 35mph wind and higher gusts, it sure as heck does feel like mid 40s.


11 posted on 01/13/2012 8:48:05 AM PST by Gabz (Democrats for Voldemort.)
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To: JustaDumbBlonde

Good chart! It shows my zone of 7b to be at 0-5 degrees... it’s exactly 3 degrees outside our door!


12 posted on 01/13/2012 8:50:27 AM PST by JDoutrider
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To: momtothree

We’ve got the same problem here and we’ve also had a good bit of rain. cutting grass in January is just sooooooooooo wrong.


13 posted on 01/13/2012 8:51:13 AM PST by Gabz (Democrats for Voldemort.)
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To: Red_Devil 232

Our wind was 20-30 mph yesterday. Deer hunting ends last day of the month, so I was up a tree yesterday afternoon. Got settled, only to discover that I’d dropped my gloves someplace along the way. You can’t keep your hands in your pockets and use binoculars or hold the gun. My hands were frozen when I finally walked back to the truck. Found my gloves on the front porch. [sigh]


14 posted on 01/13/2012 8:51:51 AM PST by JustaDumbBlonde (Don't wish doom on your enemies ... plan it.)
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To: SueRae

You are so welcome ... I’m glad you’re smiling!


15 posted on 01/13/2012 8:52:54 AM PST by JustaDumbBlonde (Don't wish doom on your enemies ... plan it.)
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To: JustaDumbBlonde

After two decades of not having a garden, my SIL kindly loaned me a section of her raised garden beds last year. I planted tomatoes, peppers, scallions, eggplants, Swiss chard, spinach and mesclun, plus some herbs & marigolds. Although the garden got out-of-hand (planted too close, weeded too little), there was still a plentiful harvest. .... lots of tomato sandwiches, fresh salads & even enough basil to make some pesto. This year, I want to do a “square foot” garden ten yards or so out the kitchen door ..... easier to keep an eye on and water when necessary. The tomatoes are grown vertically - considering they collapsed my cages last year, I am looking forward to trying this method. Last fall, when I made the last trip to the garden to harvest anything that was left as the first cold spell was on the way in, I was surprised at the very real sense of sadness that hit me when I realized there would be no more fresh goodies. I can’t wait until Spring!!


16 posted on 01/13/2012 8:54:32 AM PST by MissMagnolia (ObamaCare side effects: headache,delayed treatment, 0 choice,sky-rocketing taxes & premature death)
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To: goodwithagun; tubebender
I know nothing about garlic, but Mr. Bender seems to be one of our resident experts.

There were lots of seed recommendations in last week's thread (link above). Shumway's has a bunch of heirlooms.

17 posted on 01/13/2012 8:57:22 AM PST by JustaDumbBlonde (Don't wish doom on your enemies ... plan it.)
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To: Red_Devil 232

Very interesting... Thanks. ;-)


18 posted on 01/13/2012 8:59:28 AM PST by SumProVita (Cogito, ergo...Sum Pro Vita. (Modified Decartes))
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To: JustaDumbBlonde
Last week, JADB graciously provided everyone with links to all those companies with those paper catalogs that have stuffing our mailboxes the past few weeks. Now, an internet treat; especially for those of you who are connoisseurs of fine heirloom tomatoes. Perhaps you are seeking a tomato you remember from earlier in your life...a tasty tomato that your parents or grandparents grew in the back yard, or on the farm; one that you may have encountered at a tomato tasting at some point; one that you discovered at a farmer's market; or perhaps you are just a foaming at the mouth rabid fan of heirloom tomatoes! A lot of the paper catalogs don't provide seed for many of the tasty treats you can find in these on line catalogs I have provided links for below, so dig in, and have fun!

Diane's Flower Seeds

Double Helix Farms

Gleckler Seedmen

Heritage Harvest Seed

Marianna's Heirloom Seeds

Sand Hill Preservation

Selected Plants

Tomato Fest

Some personal notes...when doing business with these companies; you will find that you are communicating DIRECTLY with the owners of these small businesses...since it is their personal reputation on the line; you will find that they go above and beyond to provide great customer service...I have found that to be the case with EVERY one of the companies listed above that I have dealt with. (I have NOT dealt with all, just most.) Several offer items other than tomatoes.

Double Helix is well worth visiting...beautiful photos, and the owner is a biologist; who is designing heirloom tomatoes that will be EXCLUSIVE to his company. He can put you on a list so you can be among the first to receive the offerings of his 'new' tomatoes. Check it out.

Select Plants does NOT offer seeds; plants only. A text-intensive website; but loaded with information, and an AMAZING selection of live plants...shipping is a bit rough, but he has gone to a great deal of trouble to get nice healthy plants right to your door.

Heritage Harvest Seed is another beautiful site, but they are in Canada, so you might want to inquire about seed being shipped to the states. They provide that service, but it seems to take a while. However; they have a wide selection of rare and unusual tomatoes. Fun to check out, even if not ordering.

Marianna's has another stunning selection, but still lists her '2011 Offerings', so I am not sure what is going on there...she might be working on updating for this year.

Tons of offerings to troll through, but you weren't doing anything this holiday (for some) weekend, anyway...right? Enjoy.

19 posted on 01/13/2012 9:00:59 AM PST by who knows what evil? (G-d saved more animals than people on the ark...www.siameserescue.org.)
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To: JustaDumbBlonde
OMG...I FORGOT one of my favorites...make sure you check out the wild tomatoes at this site...

Wild Boar Farms

Sorry, guys!

20 posted on 01/13/2012 9:04:46 AM PST by who knows what evil? (G-d saved more animals than people on the ark...www.siameserescue.org.)
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To: goodwithagun
Try Baker Creek Heirloom Seeds
21 posted on 01/13/2012 9:05:53 AM PST by Stonewall Jackson ("I must study politics and war that my sons may have liberty to study mathematics and philosophy.")
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To: goodwithagun

I have never attempted to transplant Garlic. MY garlic is ready to harvest starting in late May through July depending on the variety. Can you tell me the variety you planted and area where you live?


22 posted on 01/13/2012 9:15:41 AM PST by tubebender (I always wanted to be somebody, but now I realize I should have been more specific.)
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To: MissMagnolia

“I was surprised at the very real sense of sadness that hit me when I realized there would be no more fresh goodies. I can’t wait until Spring!!”

I totally understand. My lettuce ( under plastic over wire hoops lasted until the beginning of January...but is now gone.)

My spinach and kale (and ONE lettuce plant) are still doing very well in the cold frame. It was around 20 degrees this morning and will stay cold for the next couple of days.

In the meantime, my sister and I are combining our seed/plant orders to satisfy the requirements for FREE shipping. I’m getting seedless grapes (the ground was already prepared with good compost, horse manure and peat moss; put down some landscape fabric and covered with a heavy bale of straw...it’s percolating all winter)... and raspberry canes.

Has anyone here got tips on raspberry culture that could be beneficial?

I’m also ordering some more blueberry bushes. I am actually using these to landscape. ;-)


23 posted on 01/13/2012 9:16:03 AM PST by SumProVita (Cogito, ergo...Sum Pro Vita. (Modified Decartes))
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To: JustaDumbBlonde

We went from nearly 60 to about 10 degrees in 24 hours. I’m fine with that, I want at least a couple of weeks of subfreezing to kill bugs and heave the ground.

In low gear now. Living off of the harvest and just ordered seeds. Doing cleanup from last year and will be starting stuff in about a month.


24 posted on 01/13/2012 9:18:50 AM PST by Free Vulcan (Election 2012 - America stands or falls. No more excuses. Get involved.)
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To: who knows what evil?

Great post! Jam packed with info! Thank you.


25 posted on 01/13/2012 9:21:21 AM PST by JustaDumbBlonde (Don't wish doom on your enemies ... plan it.)
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To: momtothree
I know what you mean, girl! We were in the 70's last week and now it is cold ... will be back in the high 60's and low 70's by Tuesday. Crazy weather.

It was -20° yesterday in Yellowstone, so it could be worse! We are headed to that area in a couple of weeks. Brrrrrrrr.

26 posted on 01/13/2012 9:24:40 AM PST by JustaDumbBlonde (Don't wish doom on your enemies ... plan it.)
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To: JustaDumbBlonde

South FL UPDATE:

Busy cleaning up the mess from the freeze, I got my seed from Burpee and I will be planting them next week.. My sister is down from MD and is enjoying the weather.. Hoping I can get her to help me weed the garden. Her and her husband are enjoying the freezer full of viggies and everything I canned. I love my American Made canner..

Oh Yea, The corn all came up.. Sweet Corn, It kept it’s head down till the cold weather left. It’s 62 day sweet corn so we are hoping to have some fresh corn before they leave... Round us is working slowly on all the weeds from the squash garden... As soon as my back stops spazzing I will go out there and clear the mound and plant my Rattlesnake watermellon.. Going to 75 degrees today..

My Motherboard blew up in a powersurge so it will be another week before I can post anymore pics.. The temp computer I am using dosn’t have a flash drive...

Later all, Have a great weekend!


27 posted on 01/13/2012 9:27:20 AM PST by satan69 (garden)
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To: goodwithagun
My favorite seed companies:

Fedco - www.fedcoseeds.com
Landreth - www.landrethseeds.com
Gourmet Seed - www.gourmetseed.com
Jung - www.jungseed.com
Shumway - www.rhshumway.com
Baker Creek - www.rareseeds.com
Willhite - www.willhiteseed.com
Johnny’s - www.johnnyseeds.com
Peaceful Valley - www.groworganic.com
Southern Exposure Seed - www.southernexposure.com
Seedsavers Exchange -
www.seedsavers.org
Tomato Grower’s Supply - www.tomatogrowers.com
Nichol’s Nursery - www.nicholsgardennursery
Territorial - www.territorialseed.com
Totally Tomatoes - www.totallytomato.com
Vermont Bean Seed - www.vermontbean.com
Horizon Herbs -
www.horizonherbs.com
Bountiful Gardens - www.bountifulgardens.org

I am partial to Fedco, Baker Creek, Gourmet, and Landreth, though I've ordered from all of them at one time or another.

Horizon Herbs is amazing. They do mostly herbs and exotics so I go there for those. They have stuff I've never, ever seen anywhere and have a huge selection.

28 posted on 01/13/2012 9:27:26 AM PST by Free Vulcan (Election 2012 - America stands or falls. No more excuses. Get involved.)
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To: JustaDumbBlonde

I’ve spent some time culling through websites looking for sites with some of the most popular heirloom tomatoes available...hope everyone enjoys them!


29 posted on 01/13/2012 9:28:42 AM PST by who knows what evil? (G-d saved more animals than people on the ark...www.siameserescue.org.)
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To: MissMagnolia
You really went all-out in your re-entry into gardening! I think your plan to have a garden close to the kitchen is wise.

We have several members that do square-foot gardening. I look forward to your contributions to the threads.

30 posted on 01/13/2012 9:28:42 AM PST by JustaDumbBlonde (Don't wish doom on your enemies ... plan it.)
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To: satan69
I love my American Made canner.

If you can, you NEED one of these...

31 posted on 01/13/2012 9:35:27 AM PST by who knows what evil? (G-d saved more animals than people on the ark...www.siameserescue.org.)
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To: JustaDumbBlonde

My neighbor told me about this website yesterday.

http://www.seedsavers.org/Content.aspx?src=education.htm


32 posted on 01/13/2012 9:35:30 AM PST by Arrowhead1952 (Dear God, thanks for the rain, but please let it rain more in Texas. Amen.)
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To: Augie

We are so unaccustomed to temps as cold as 12°, that we’d be scrambling around like chickens with no heads trying to prepare! Stay warm!


33 posted on 01/13/2012 9:38:43 AM PST by JustaDumbBlonde (Don't wish doom on your enemies ... plan it.)
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To: Free Vulcan
"... I want at least a couple of weeks of subfreezing to kill bugs and heave the ground."

Amen.

34 posted on 01/13/2012 9:40:47 AM PST by JustaDumbBlonde (Don't wish doom on your enemies ... plan it.)
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To: satan69

Thanks for the update.


35 posted on 01/13/2012 9:43:03 AM PST by JustaDumbBlonde (Don't wish doom on your enemies ... plan it.)
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To: who knows what evil?; satan69

I’ve received my All American 941, which is the 41.5 qt. model. Think I am going to have to use it on the back porch with the turkey fryer propane stand. I’m thinking that my cooktop built into the countertop is not going to do well with the weight of this thing loaded up. That will keep the heat out of the kitchen as well.


36 posted on 01/13/2012 9:49:36 AM PST by JustaDumbBlonde (Don't wish doom on your enemies ... plan it.)
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To: Arrowhead1952

Several members of our gardening gaggle have used Seedsavers with very good results. Thank you for the link. I’m still trying to compile a list of all of the links from last week’s thread. It was a great thread, with over 300 replies, so it is taking me longer than I anticipated.


37 posted on 01/13/2012 9:55:37 AM PST by JustaDumbBlonde (Don't wish doom on your enemies ... plan it.)
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To: JustaDumbBlonde; All
Greetings, thanks for the links and the thread JDAB. We have snow, and cold, so I am hibernating indoors. Harvested my lemon this morning. Have several new lemon buds starting. Leaves on the lemon tree are still turning yellow.

I trimmed back the branches which had thorns, since the non-thorn branches are the ones that bloom and have fruit. Everything else I have tried is to no avail, so I just hope it survives till spring so I can get it outside again. It just never does very well indoors.

Everyone have a great weekend. God Bless.

38 posted on 01/13/2012 10:06:23 AM PST by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: Arrowhead1952

They’re good. I just got my order from them about an hour ago and wanted to order about everything they have.

They have a little peach tomato called Wapsipinicon Peach. Woo boy, talk about sweet!


39 posted on 01/13/2012 10:13:57 AM PST by Free Vulcan (Election 2012 - America stands or falls. No more excuses. Get involved.)
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To: JustaDumbBlonde

Thanks for the most excellent thread - I discovered it last week! (Ordered multiple catalogs and saved many gardening URL’s.)

GRIT links not working for me - fyi.

Sunny, windy and chilly (mid 40’s) here in Charleston, SC.

Currently building a dozen 4’ x 8’ raised beds - gardening here is more about weed and bug control than I care to admit.

Fruit trees and chickens will have to wait until the Fall.

Thanks again for the most excellent FR thread!


40 posted on 01/13/2012 10:16:12 AM PST by ImProudToBeAnAmerican (We were born citizens. Now we are subjects. Currently on the path to become serfs.)
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To: Red_Devil 232

HELLO everyone from cooool central Texas. It is just wonderful. Of course I love cool to cold weather, you can keep layering to keep warm, but when it’s HOT, you can take off just so far to be acceptable.

Thank you Red Devil for the tomatoe seeds cleansing.

I LOVE this weather. I can work in the yard and work on my stained glass project in the garage. Life is good.


41 posted on 01/13/2012 10:55:49 AM PST by tillacum
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To: ImProudToBeAnAmerican
Links seemed to be out for a few minutes, but are working now. Please let me know if you still have a problem with them.

Wow, a dozen raised beds is quite a project! Please keep us up-to-date on your progress. You will be able to grow enough for a small town with that much room.

Would you like to be added to the ping list?

42 posted on 01/13/2012 11:00:36 AM PST by JustaDumbBlonde (Don't wish doom on your enemies ... plan it.)
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To: tubebender

Tattle tail! Do you get so see some of them?


43 posted on 01/13/2012 11:10:02 AM PST by tillacum
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To: tubebender
It's a hardneck variety and I'm not sure what the proper name is. It has white skins with pale purple stripes. I usually harvest end of June through the beginning of July. I really want to rescue it from harm! I will miss the fresh garlic and the garlic scape soup!
44 posted on 01/13/2012 11:12:59 AM PST by goodwithagun (My gun has killed fewer people than Ted Kennedy's car.)
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To: JustaDumbBlonde

Looks like we’re in 8b. It’s nice to know where we are, but turn me around 3 times and caa poo eee, I’m lost.


45 posted on 01/13/2012 11:13:29 AM PST by tillacum
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To: who knows what evil?

Yep, he looks like a fellow who’d name his farm Wild Boar.


46 posted on 01/13/2012 11:22:54 AM PST by tillacum
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To: tillacum

Didn’t look like a Muslim to me, either...


47 posted on 01/13/2012 11:37:47 AM PST by who knows what evil? (G-d saved more animals than people on the ark...www.siameserescue.org.)
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To: JustaDumbBlonde
Again this year the fall snuck up on me and I didn't get my seeds started anywhere near when I would like. Which really stinks, because this is my favorite time of year in the garden, the only time I can grow broccoli, cauliflower, spinach, lettuce, and celery. On the bright side, things are finally starting to get down to business.

The dollar is there for scale. I have not found a way to grow them, yet.

I've resolved not to make the same mistake for spring. So, Nov 15, three full months before I'll start the garden, I started my seeds. From the looks of it, it was a good decision for the eggplants.

Okra, on the other hand, maybe doesn't need quite so much lead time.

The okra picture is pretty poor. Hard to get the level of detail I wanted while at the same time showing the whole window height for scale. I'd try harder, but the picture I really wanted the other night when there was a pretty yellow flower on one of them I plain forgot to take, so now I don't feel like messing with it.

48 posted on 01/13/2012 11:57:45 AM PST by Darth Reardon (No offense to drunken sailors)
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To: satan69

Can you tell me the variety of the 62 day sweet corn where you got it...


49 posted on 01/13/2012 12:07:37 PM PST by tubebender (I always wanted to be somebody, but now I realize I should have been more specific.)
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To: Darth Reardon

Beautiful broccoli and cauliflower! Bravo.


50 posted on 01/13/2012 12:08:09 PM PST by JustaDumbBlonde (Don't wish doom on your enemies ... plan it.)
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