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Fierce sheepdogs alarming tourists in SW Colorado
AP via Freedom Communications, Inc. ^ | January 29, 2012 | staff reporter

Posted on 01/30/2012 9:35:38 AM PST by Daffynition

SILVERTON — Turkish sheepdogs prized for their fierceness are raising concerns they may be a little too tough for the southwest Colorado communities where ranchers are using them.

The Akbash dogs weigh up to 120 pounds and are especially aggressive toward animals near the sheep they guard. But that can include hikers and other backcountry tourists, prompting debate about whether the breed should be regulated.

The Durango Herald reports that Silverton town trustees met last week to discuss Akbash conflictsU.S. Forest Service officials, sheepherders and outdoors enthusiasts have also entered the debate over regulations surrounding the use of the breed.

(Excerpt) Read more at gazette.com ...


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1 posted on 01/30/2012 9:35:41 AM PST by Daffynition
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To: Joe 6-pack
Big dog ping.


2 posted on 01/30/2012 9:38:49 AM PST by Daffynition (When I was a chiId was told that anybody could become President; I'm beginning to believe it)
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To: Daffynition
Move someplace to get away from the rat race, then demand that the place you moved to change to be more like where you came from.

Ignorant.

3 posted on 01/30/2012 9:39:41 AM PST by Joe the Pimpernel (Too many lawmakers, too many laws, too many lawyers.)
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To: Daffynition
Yikes!


4 posted on 01/30/2012 9:40:57 AM PST by Leroy S. Mort
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To: Daffynition

They obviously mistook the tourists for democrats and tried to get them to join the rest of the herd.


5 posted on 01/30/2012 9:41:22 AM PST by ibytoohi
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To: Daffynition

I can see both sides. If someone is coming toward me there is no way to know their intent so I understand the dog’s caution
BUT this is public lands .

I think the dogs lose on this one
but they are great looking dogs and do their job well


6 posted on 01/30/2012 9:45:22 AM PST by RWGinger (Simpl)
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To: Daffynition

What could these ‘back-country tourists’ be trying to do to the sheep that’s getting the dogs so riled up? I mean, after all, they ARE from Turkey — I’m sure they’ve seen some things in their time...


7 posted on 01/30/2012 9:45:49 AM PST by WayneS (Comments now include 25% MORE sarcasm for no additional charge...)
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To: Joe the Pimpernel
Yep. Damn hippies think Akbashes should be regulated and coyotes should be protected. Let them regulate coyotes instead.
8 posted on 01/30/2012 9:46:55 AM PST by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: Joe the Pimpernel
We are talking public lands here. Your dog needs to be under control. I well trained dog should be able to tell differants between a animal and a human.

I am sure an overly aggressive dog can be taken care of the same way as a bear, Mt lion ect.

If they are going to bite me I have a cure for that.

9 posted on 01/30/2012 9:49:10 AM PST by riverrunner
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To: Joe the Pimpernel

First question I have is if these ‘tourists’ are hiking on public or private land. Second question I have for the ‘tourists’ is “why do you think that the sheep owners need these dogs?” “Could it be because of wolves and coyotes that the federal government has protected and reintroduced into this area?”. Lastly, I’d like to tell them to go the hell home and complain about the feral cats in their own hometown.


10 posted on 01/30/2012 9:50:47 AM PST by Gaffer
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To: Daffynition
They only alarm between 8AM and 5 PM

"Mornin' Sam"

"Mornin' Ralph."

11 posted on 01/30/2012 9:51:14 AM PST by dfwgator (Don't wake up in a roadside ditch. Get rid of Romney.)
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To: Joe the Pimpernel
Add to the mix *open range laws*, government agencies = a mess.
12 posted on 01/30/2012 9:52:05 AM PST by Daffynition (When I was a chiId was told that anybody could become President; I'm beginning to believe it)
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To: Daffynition
They look like real sweethearts:


13 posted on 01/30/2012 9:52:28 AM PST by Paladin2
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To: Paladin2

(Like a small Polar Bear).


14 posted on 01/30/2012 9:53:52 AM PST by Paladin2
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To: AnAmericanMother; Titan Magroyne; Badeye; Shannon; SandRat; arbooz; potlatch; ...
WOOOF!

The Doggie Ping list is for FReepers who would like to be notified of threads relating to all things canid. If you would like to join the Doggie Ping Pack (or be unleashed from it), FReemail me.

15 posted on 01/30/2012 9:55:04 AM PST by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: Joe the Pimpernel
"Move someplace to get away from the rat race, then demand that the place you moved to change to be more like where you came from."

LIBERALISM defined!

16 posted on 01/30/2012 9:55:25 AM PST by Baynative (The penalty for not participating in politics is you will be governed by your inferiors.)
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To: dfwgator

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1MgpRBYIEuw&feature=related


17 posted on 01/30/2012 9:55:45 AM PST by tumblindice ("ghetto masses" Cloward-Piven)
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To: Daffynition
"The Akbash personality tends to be calm and aware. As a breed, it is not shy, nor is it aggressive. When used as a protection dog, it is suspicious of strangers in its territory, and unusual sounds and changes in its environment. The breed is not naturally hostile, and is, instead, naturally discerning, bred to think independently. The Akbash can be powerful against predators, yet, when properly exposed, be gentle with newborn lambs and goat kids. The usual first means of protection by an Akbash is prudently warning potential threats by barking or growling. The Akbash will chase away a predator, or physically protect against it, only if it deems that wise and necessary."

Sounds like a good dog to have in areas with active SWAT teams.

18 posted on 01/30/2012 9:57:21 AM PST by Paladin2
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To: Paladin2
Like a Great Pyrenees on 'roids. :)


19 posted on 01/30/2012 10:00:53 AM PST by Daffynition (When I was a chiId was told that anybody could become President; I'm beginning to believe it)
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To: Paladin2

It’s somewhat ironic that a breed like this would come from a Muslim nation that without exception, hates/fears dogs.


20 posted on 01/30/2012 10:03:34 AM PST by Daffynition (When I was a chiId was told that anybody could become President; I'm beginning to believe it)
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To: Daffynition
If you want to own and control your 40 acres, you'd be advised to fence and cattle grate up.

Apparently, if you are not a rancher, you're a farmer and need to learn about barbed wire.

21 posted on 01/30/2012 10:04:01 AM PST by Paladin2
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To: Daffynition

Sounds like the dogs have a much better (longer too) pedigree than Mad Mo’.


22 posted on 01/30/2012 10:05:49 AM PST by Paladin2
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To: Gaffer

Perfect application of a term, I had a prof use in grad school....*oscillating redundancy*.


23 posted on 01/30/2012 10:07:13 AM PST by Daffynition (When I was a chiId was told that anybody could become President; I'm beginning to believe it)
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To: Daffynition

I’ll see your Bernese Mountain Dog......


24 posted on 01/30/2012 10:07:51 AM PST by Paladin2
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To: RWGinger
BUT this is public lands . I think the dogs lose on this one

It's called free ranging and the land is leased by the sheepmen, always has been since way before hiking and mountain biking ever became popular out there.

One of the comments on the article made a good point. Have Silverton reimburse any farmer who loses one of his livestock to a predator the cost of that animal and there will be no need for the dogs. It's a win win for everyone......

As a side note, perhaps there should be an ordinance requiring all the hikers and bikers to remain a specified distance from any such herds of sheep.

25 posted on 01/30/2012 10:13:05 AM PST by Hot Tabasco (The only solution to this primary is a shoot out! Last person standing picks the candidate)
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To: Daffynition

This issue is a load of tripe. These animals are doing what they are trained to do.. that is to guard the flock. These “tourists” need to keep their distance from the flock instead of crowding them for a photo op.

How come the Pit Bulls aren’t mentioned? They want to talk about a breed of dog that is a menace to society.

MFO


26 posted on 01/30/2012 10:14:00 AM PST by Man from Oz
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To: Paladin2

Sheesh! ! could hear the Dog Show guy’s voice in my brain when I read that!


27 posted on 01/30/2012 10:14:38 AM PST by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ( Ya can't pick up a turd by the clean end!)
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To: Paladin2

Open range laws vary from state-to-state. Apparently on the “open range” if you don’t want someone else’s livestock on your property, you have to fence them out.

Hit a cow, you must reimburse the rancher. Who *owns* this land, anyway? Things are murky, to be sure.


28 posted on 01/30/2012 10:14:51 AM PST by Daffynition (When I was a chiId was told that anybody could become President; I'm beginning to believe it)
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To: Daffynition

A wolf in sheep’s clothing! Isn’t he magnificent? He has the face of a Golden Retreiever.


29 posted on 01/30/2012 10:14:51 AM PST by afraidfortherepublic
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To: riverrunner
We are talking public lands here.

Public lands should only be used for playtime by John Kerry types in spandex.

Anybody trying to make a living from them should have all his livestock executed.

30 posted on 01/30/2012 10:15:22 AM PST by Joe the Pimpernel (Too many lawmakers, too many laws, too many lawyers.)
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To: Daffynition

This is a problem. My property abuts national forest where where sheep are grazed for a period every summer. And of course when they’re always either straying onto my land or the shepherds are too lazy to go around so they move their herds (several hundred sheep) over my land. Their dogs are vicious so mine can’t even go outside, and I can’t even walk my own property or drive up my road without some dog either chasing my truck or looking at me like I was a bear. When you try to talk to the shepherds they “no habla”. I don’t mind them grazing, but mind your dogs and stay off my land. And other folks enjoying the outdoors have just as much right to be there as grazers - I don’t care if they are “tourists” - it’s public property.


31 posted on 01/30/2012 10:17:36 AM PST by stormer
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To: afraidfortherepublic

32 posted on 01/30/2012 10:17:51 AM PST by Daffynition (When I was a chiId was told that anybody could become President; I'm beginning to believe it)
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To: riverrunner
"Your dog needs to be under control."

If you continue to run as she approaches, my 50lb mix (Lab, Chesapeake, Fox Terrier) IDs you as prey, though she won't bite humans - they may be carrying treats.

For a small dog, she has big teeth and is happy to display same. Non Dog People can be easily intimidated though my dog is even below the cat in the pecking order at home.

33 posted on 01/30/2012 10:18:01 AM PST by Paladin2
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To: Daffynition

LOL.


34 posted on 01/30/2012 10:19:04 AM PST by Paladin2
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To: Man from Oz

>These animals are doing what they are trained to do.. that is to guard the flock.<

Livestock guardian breeds are not trained per se. They’re imprinted on sheep as infants. LGB’s are very independent thinkers, unlike the sheep herding breeds which are bred and trained to work as a team with the shepherd.


35 posted on 01/30/2012 10:19:13 AM PST by Darnright ("I don't trust liberals, I trust conservatives." - Lucius Annaeus Seneca)
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To: Daffynition

How close would an “intruder” have to approach before the dog reacts? Is it asking too much for hiker/bikers to stay 100 yards away from a flock of sheep?


36 posted on 01/30/2012 10:19:19 AM PST by TexasRepublic (Socialism is the gospel of envy and the religion of thieves)
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To: dfwgator

One of my favorites.


37 posted on 01/30/2012 10:23:16 AM PST by Dr. Ursus
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To: Daffynition; All

I understand the “problem”, because I was blessed with two wonderful Belgian Malinois, who are also sheepdogs.

Most people misunderstand the protective behaviors of sheepdogs. They help to move the flock, protect the flock, and defend their “territory”. Most good sheepdogs will do a natural “bark and hold”, which amounts to some fierce “Cujo” style barking/snarling, accompanied by air biting on either side of the intruding dog/coyote/sheep rustler.

If the intruder backs up slowly, and signals non-aggression, all will be fine. But, I can easily see why a mountain bike coming full tilt toward the flock would be perceived as a major threat.

If I were riding a mountain bile near a flock of sheep, I would dismount, and walk slowly by, keeping my eyes away from the flock.

People need to respect a flock of sheep, because a speeding mountain bike could easily cause the flock to take flight, and sheep will run themselves to death. One coyote, or sheep-chasing dog can kill an entire flock.

I side with the shepherds and the sheepdogs here.


38 posted on 01/30/2012 10:25:17 AM PST by jacquej
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To: Hot Tabasco

“Have Silverton reimburse any farmer who loses one of his livestock to a predator the cost of that animal and there will be no need for the dogs.”

And, who exactly, picks up that tab?


39 posted on 01/30/2012 10:25:48 AM PST by SuzyQue (Don't believe everything you think.)
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To: Daffynition
What is so tough about fencing your property? It's your property and your expense to enforce same.

Barbed wire is what tamed the Wild West. The gov't fences the general public out of all sorts of places (try strolling in on the NSA in MD)

40 posted on 01/30/2012 10:25:58 AM PST by Paladin2
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To: afraidfortherepublic
"He has the face of a Golden Retriever(sic)."

Or a really big Field Lab.

41 posted on 01/30/2012 10:33:29 AM PST by Paladin2
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To: TexasRepublic

A hundred yards? In open timber you could walk right into a herd of sheep and probably not know it - it just depends on how spread out they are.


42 posted on 01/30/2012 10:33:34 AM PST by stormer
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To: Daffynition

The Muslims also have Afghan hounds.

Perhaps the fear of dogs is a fairly “recent” thing. They sure don’t like the US Military K-9 Corps.


43 posted on 01/30/2012 10:35:51 AM PST by Monkey Face ( Marzey doats and dozey doats and little lamzy divey.)
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To: riverrunner

These are not “trained” dogs, per se, like a herding dog. These are bred to protect, and are imprinted to the sheep herd at a young age. They are protecting their family from all threats...

The open-range grazing laws on public lands are a hodgepodge; generally, grazing stock, if the land is lease by the owner, can be protected. The “day hikers” need to be respectful of the sheep herder’s stock, and mindful of how he insures that his stock are kept safe. The hikers just need to stay away. Threats to the stock are not limited to “wild” predators. Stock theft is not limited to cows.

It’s not Central Park out there, for heaven’s sake...


44 posted on 01/30/2012 10:38:24 AM PST by LaRueLaDue
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To: Darnright

I stand corrected....


45 posted on 01/30/2012 10:40:39 AM PST by Man from Oz
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To: LaRueLaDue

Well, when I go out on Forest Service land I tend to take my own dog to walk point. She likes it. Me too.


46 posted on 01/30/2012 10:43:39 AM PST by Paladin2
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To: Paladin2
The usual first means of protection by an Akbash is prudently warning potential threats by barking or growling.

Which, were I preparing to intrude on this dog's territory, would be warning enough for me...

47 posted on 01/30/2012 10:44:44 AM PST by WayneS (Comments now include 25% MORE sarcasm for no additional charge...)
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To: Gaffer

Its a national forest and BLM land in that area. I have a right to walk, hike, hunt, etc. If he grazes sheep with a permit,,,fine. But if he puts an aggressive dog out there that sees a passing hiker as a threat,,, that dog will wind up shot.
I don’t doubt his reason for guarding his sheep from lions, etc. But if his dog attacks a person, he has to expect it will be shot.
Then he can put another dog out there. Too bad for the dog too. It isn’t the dogs fault, but that doesn’t mean we have to allow it.


48 posted on 01/30/2012 10:47:58 AM PST by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office)
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To: TexasRepublic

Got me on that.. Don’t know.

However, I think it would vary, depending on the individual dog, the size of the herd, the terrain, the extent of the scattering of the herd at the time, the actions/behavior of the threat approaching, etc. There is no cut/dried formula here. Dogs are very contextual in their behavior, and generally will not react to the same threat (i.e. coyotes) similarly in different circumstances, much less a different threat in similar circumstances.

In most cases, I suspect the proper behavior is to stay a reasonable distance away (i.e. where you don’t provoke a response from the dog) from the herd, ignore the herd (i.e. don’t stop, approach, take photos, try to pet the sheep, etc.) and just move on. I would treat them as someone else’s property, and just stay away.


49 posted on 01/30/2012 10:48:57 AM PST by LaRueLaDue
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To: DesertRhino

So you’re saying your are armed while hiking? Do you have a permit? Is that allowed on BLM land? You’re saying you’ll shoot his dog?


50 posted on 01/30/2012 10:51:16 AM PST by Gaffer
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