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Titanic mystery over violin 'from band leader who played on'
Telegraph ^ | 1-31-12

Posted on 01/31/2012 9:16:40 AM PST by DeoVindiceSicSemperTyrannis

An auctioneer has hired experts to try to verify claims by the owner of the century old instrument that it belonged to Wallace Hartley, the leader of the vessel’s eight-man musical ensemble.

If proved, it could become the most valuable Titanic artefact ever to be considered for auction. But the claim is being treated with caution as a result.

Hartley and his fellow musicians earned legendary status for their decision to play on as the ship sank on its maiden voyage on April 15, 1912.

They are said to have played the hymn “Nearer My God to Thee” after the vessel hit an iceberg in the North Atlantic.

Press reports at the time said that when Hartley’s body was recovered from the water his violin was strapped to his chest.

The violin and its case were said at the time to be being sent to the White Star line for forwarding to England.

But mystery has surrounded its fate thereafter.

Now the auctioneer Henry Aldridge & Son of Devizes, Wilts, which has a worldwide reputation for handling Titanic artefacts, has disclosed that he has been shown what he believes could prove to be Wallace’s violin.

(Excerpt) Read more at telegraph.co.uk ...


TOPICS: History; Miscellaneous
KEYWORDS: anighttoremember; auction; chivalry; godsgravesglyphs; hubris; hymn; iceberg; ismay; marconi; music; newyorktimes; seadisaster; ship; shipwrecks; sinking; tcmclassicmove; titanic; treasure; unsinkable; violin
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To: Vigilanteman

“And why the skepticism of the media to duly recorded testimony just because it proves that we were a more religious and heroic people then versus now?”

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In a word: Yes.

Of course. Progressives can’t accept the clear, indisputable fact that people and society of 100 years ago were markedly more civilized, courageous and advanced in common courtesy, than the coarse, rude and obscene cultural cesspool of 2012.

And in 1912, no oversaturated, omnipresent, chattering media jackals to tell us how to think...or at least ATTEMPT to...


61 posted on 01/31/2012 1:20:05 PM PST by EyeGuy (2012: When the Levee Breaks)
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To: TexasRepublic

What’s this - DeoVind has been banned? Did you see that? What the heck? Just another screwy FR glitch?


62 posted on 01/31/2012 1:22:16 PM PST by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Technological progress cannot be legislated.)
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To: re_nortex

Well, I hope you will start it because apparently FR says DeoVind (OP) is banned!


63 posted on 01/31/2012 1:23:58 PM PST by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Technological progress cannot be legislated.)
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To: DeoVindiceSicSemperTyrannis
Fully recognizing that I'm responsible for a number of posts in the thread you started, I find it fascinating that Titanic continues to draw so much interest. Certainly none of us were alive at the time nor do many (any?) of us have firsthand experience with relatives aboard that fateful journey.

I've long thought that much of the continued interest is due its representation of man's hubris. “This ship in unsinkable, even God Himself can’t sink it!” is part of the lore (whether those words were actually uttered or printed is part of the ongoing debate). In any event, the supreme confidence, bordering on arrogance, is part of the intrigue that has captivated many through the years.

64 posted on 01/31/2012 1:25:29 PM PST by re_nortex (DP...that's what I like about Texas.)
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To: the OlLine Rebel; humblegunner; DeoVindiceSicSemperTyrannis
What’s this - DeoVind has been banned? Did you see that? What the heck? Just another screwy FR glitch?

No..it's just humblegunner-inspired humor. A number of posters have constructed such profile pages. Hope I didn't spoil the joke, DeoVindiceSicSemperTyrannis!

http://www.freerepublic.com/~humblegunner/

65 posted on 01/31/2012 1:31:33 PM PST by re_nortex (DP...that's what I like about Texas.)
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To: re_nortex
With the 100th Anniversary approaching, would there be any interest in a Titanic ping list?

Yes! If you start one, please add me. :)
66 posted on 01/31/2012 1:34:53 PM PST by stylecouncilor (Some minds are like soup in a poor restaurant...better left unstirred.-PG Wodehouse)
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To: the OlLine Rebel
Stewardess Violet Jessop had served onboard Olympic in 1911 when that ship collided with the British cruiser Hawke before transferring to Titanic the next year. She survived Titanic's sinking and continued working for White Star Lines.

A few years later, during WW1, she joined the British Red Cross as a nurse and was stationed onboard Britannic, which had been converted into a hospital ship, when she struck a mine and sank in the Aegean Sea.

She survived this sinking as well and continued to work onboard passenger liners for most of her life. She died in 1971 at age 83.

67 posted on 01/31/2012 1:42:46 PM PST by Stonewall Jackson ("I must study politics and war that my sons may have liberty to study mathematics and philosophy.")
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To: re_nortex

Yes, it’s a joke started by HG. It’s always funny to fool people on that one.... :-)


68 posted on 01/31/2012 1:57:14 PM PST by DeoVindiceSicSemperTyrannis
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To: Stonewall Jackson

Wow, that’s amazing!


69 posted on 01/31/2012 2:01:35 PM PST by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Technological progress cannot be legislated.)
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To: re_nortex

I just like sad stuff. I don’t know; I like empathizing; I seem to like to feel sorry for people. I’m fascinated by “Seconds from Disaster” on TV. The other night they showed the Titanic episode!

I also loved the ship. It’s really the handsomest ship I’ve ever seen. Love the form of the decks above main, the forward-deck look by the bridge, the unique severe sweep of the stern (instead of that fat-butt look). I guess the Olympic would look the same, but basically that class was best looking. I’m a sucker for good looks. Never mind the tragedy to boot.


70 posted on 01/31/2012 2:06:42 PM PST by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Technological progress cannot be legislated.)
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To: re_nortex
Seeing you ave very interested in the Titanic, I wonder if you have ever read The Sinking of the Titanic and Great Sea Disasters? It was originally printed in 1912 right after the sinking and is very good.

Here's an amazon link if you don't have it.

http://www.amazon.com/Sinking-Titanic-Great-Sea-Disasters/dp/096652330X



Btw, if you are making a Titanic ping list I would like to be on it......Smiley

71 posted on 01/31/2012 2:06:57 PM PST by DeoVindiceSicSemperTyrannis
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To: re_nortex

I love that show. So glad we own it. It tells the story without so many ridiculous Hollywood additions and naked ladies.


72 posted on 01/31/2012 2:10:23 PM PST by DeoVindiceSicSemperTyrannis
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To: bgill

lol


73 posted on 01/31/2012 2:12:53 PM PST by DeoVindiceSicSemperTyrannis
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To: sima_yi

Excellent book, that. I got it as a gift for a birthday awhile back and it is the best.


74 posted on 01/31/2012 2:15:11 PM PST by DeoVindiceSicSemperTyrannis
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To: BlueLancer

They have done reprintings of that book. You can get a new one if you like on amazon.


75 posted on 01/31/2012 2:16:36 PM PST by DeoVindiceSicSemperTyrannis
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To: re_nortex
It does indeed have a certain sort of draw, hard to explain. Perhaps, as you said, it is due to the notion of the ship being unsinkable, and thus, the shock its demise caused.
76 posted on 01/31/2012 2:22:54 PM PST by DeoVindiceSicSemperTyrannis
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To: the OlLine Rebel; DeoVindiceSicSemperTyrannis
I also loved the ship. It’s really the handsomest ship I’ve ever seen. Love the form of the decks above main, the forward-deck look by the bridge, the unique severe sweep of the stern (instead of that fat-butt look). I guess the Olympic would look the same, but basically that class was best looking. I’m a sucker for good looks. Never mind the tragedy to boot.

It's much the same tale with me. I was in my mid-teens when A Night to Remember hit the theaters and it captured my interest. That was also the around the time I started building shortwave receivers from kits. Since a good part of the film focuses on the Marconi operators (David McCallum as Mr. Bride) it coincided with my hobby.

Likewise, there are so many "what if" scenarios that can be played out. Had the Californian responded in a timely manner, the scope of the tragedy would have been much smaller and its doubtful this thread would have existed almost a hundred years later.

As for the FR "Titanic Ping List", looks like I got elected to be the maintainer unless someone else wants to volunteer. Simply FReepmail me and I'll compile the names for the list. It ought to be useful as we approach April 2012 and interest heightens.

Meanwhile, I'll be turning my attention to Florida...Florida...Florida. Rumor has it that an election is happening there -- or so I heard. :-)

77 posted on 01/31/2012 2:26:55 PM PST by re_nortex (DP...that's what I like about Texas.)
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To: the OlLine Rebel; re_nortex
Paintings of the ill-fated liner by Ken Marschall

http://www.kenmarschall.com/day.html

78 posted on 01/31/2012 2:34:14 PM PST by DeoVindiceSicSemperTyrannis
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To: katnip
thanks so much for making that comment.

Glad you like it. Always happy to turn people on to interesting new music. That Youtube clip is just one movement: the full composition is 74 minutes long. Here's a cool quote from the composer on how it came about:

In 1971, when I lived in London, I was working with a friend, Alan Power, on a film about people living rough in the area around Elephant and Castle and Waterloo Station. In the course of being filmed, some people broke into drunken song - sometimes bits of opera, sometimes sentimental ballads - and one, who in fact did not drink, sang a religious song "Jesus' Blood Never Failed Me Yet". This was not ultimately used in the film and I was given all the unused sections of tape, including this one.

When I played it at home, I found that his singing was in tune with my piano, and I improvised a simple accompaniment. I noticed, too, that the first section of the song - 13 bars in length - formed an effective loop which repeated in a slightly unpredictable way. I took the tape loop to Leicester, where I was working in the Fine Art Department, and copied the loop onto a continuous reel of tape, thinking about perhaps adding an orchestrated accompaniment to this. The door of the recording room opened on to one of the large painting studios and I left the tape copying, with the door open, while I went to have a cup of coffee. When I came back I found the normally lively room unnaturally subdued. People were moving about much more slowly than usual and a few were sitting alone, quietly weeping.

I was puzzled until I realised that the tape was still playing and that they had been overcome by the old man's singing. This convinced me of the emotional power of the music and of the possibilities offered by adding a simple, though gradually evolving, orchestral accompaniment that respected the tramp's nobility and simple faith. Although he died before he could hear what I had done with his singing, the piece remains as an eloquent, but understated testimony to his spirit and optimism.


79 posted on 01/31/2012 3:58:39 PM PST by Bubba Ho-Tep ("More weight!"--Giles Corey)
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To: Fiji Hill

Thanks for the music link.


80 posted on 01/31/2012 4:43:47 PM PST by kalee (The offenses we give, we write in the dust; Those we take, we engrave in marble. J Huett 1658)
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