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Rainwater Harvesting: Reasons to Consider
The How Do Gardener ^ | February 11, 2012 | Rick Bickling

Posted on 02/11/2012 2:52:42 PM PST by orsonwb

In the first installment of this two part series, we examine the factors that are influencing how individuals, major corporations, and other countries, are rethinking the most basic, yet vital resource all, water. In part two, we take a detailed look at an increasingly popular alternative to the municipal water system, Rainwater Harvesting. Part two further explores the pros and cons, basic components, and key factors to consider in designing a rain water harvesting system...

(Excerpt) Read more at howdogardener.com ...


TOPICS: Agriculture; Business/Economy; Weather
KEYWORDS: harvesting; preparedness; rainwater; water
With the drought here in Texas, found this to be interesting.
1 posted on 02/11/2012 2:52:53 PM PST by orsonwb
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To: orsonwb

I’m a greedy Michigan water baron.


2 posted on 02/11/2012 2:56:34 PM PST by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: orsonwb
More and more, the rights to water, which has traditionally been considered a public resource under public domain, are being sold to private companies

This is completely wrong in the US. It has always been private, except for navigable rivers. Also, there is no mention of the legality of collecting rainwater. In many states this is not legal.

3 posted on 02/11/2012 2:59:57 PM PST by Vince Ferrer
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To: Vince Ferrer
I understand that in Colorado or parts of it, you do not have free rights to rainwater falling on your own property. Is this accurate or am I hearing stories?
4 posted on 02/11/2012 3:03:13 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: orsonwb
The system my son is setting up to irrigate our garden
5 posted on 02/11/2012 3:03:29 PM PST by sonrise57 (Help us God for evil men have surrounded us.)
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To: Vince Ferrer
Also, there is no mention of the legality of collecting rainwater. In many states this is not legal.

And someday harvesting oxygen will not be legal without paying the associated fee.

6 posted on 02/11/2012 3:04:01 PM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (FOREIGN AID: A transfer of money from poor people in rich countries to rich people in poor countries)
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To: orsonwb

I thought that I was in good shape for doomsday regarding water, but yea, that 7-month drought would have wiped me out. I have 5 different ways to filter water, the ability to store hundreds of gallons, the ability to collect huge amounts of roof run-off...but still - 7 months without rain, not a prayer - that’s 150 gallons per person, just for drinking. I was nowhere close to that. Hopefully we don’t get hit that hard when it really happens.


7 posted on 02/11/2012 3:04:50 PM PST by BobL (I don't care about his past - Santorum will BRING THE FIGHT to Obama)
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To: hinckley buzzard

That is true in Colorado, I don’t know about other states.


8 posted on 02/11/2012 3:05:11 PM PST by Vince Ferrer
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To: Vince Ferrer

Part two of the article mentions “Although largely unregulated for private residential usage, there are some state and local municipalities that have enacted legislation regarding RWH.”

I’m pretty sure Colorado does not allow rain water harvesting.


9 posted on 02/11/2012 3:05:23 PM PST by orsonwb
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To: Red_Devil 232; Ellendra

Garden (and other use) Rain Water PING!


10 posted on 02/11/2012 3:10:03 PM PST by WXRGina (Further up and further in!)
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To: Vince Ferrer

I know that if they ever got their way the global marxists would evacuate or otherwise “remove” people from vast swathes of the continent.Despite all the water we have in Michigan, its a constant fight with them coming at us from every direction in their attempt to separate us from the water.

I looked outside one day and saw two clowns measuring the distance between my well and the lake. They were with a group that wants to monitor my well and put a meter on it. I told them that they were trespassing and next time I wouldn’t be so friendly. I did some digging into the group they belonged to and found that they want 100 yard buffer zones between all natural water and human habitation. If done, it would effectively render the whole state off limits.


11 posted on 02/11/2012 3:12:13 PM PST by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: orsonwb

Where I live you have to get a permit for putting a rain barrel under your downspout. Probably because rainwater is so scarce around these parts - Western Washington!


12 posted on 02/11/2012 3:13:39 PM PST by 21twelve
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
And someday harvesting oxygen will not be legal without paying the associated fee.

And that's the day that I'll be distributing copper and lead, for free.

/johnny

13 posted on 02/11/2012 3:15:09 PM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: orsonwb

“Part two of the article mentions “Although largely unregulated for private residential usage, there are some state and local municipalities that have enacted legislation regarding RWH.” I’m pretty sure Colorado does not allow rain water harvesting.”

I heard that a while ago. In a case like that, you need to divert your water indoors or underground, if possible, so that the nannies will not see it. Pumping water from an underground tank requires very little energy (and dollars) relative to the cost of utility water...something like 1% of the cost.


14 posted on 02/11/2012 3:16:08 PM PST by BobL (I don't care about his past - Santorum will BRING THE FIGHT to Obama)
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To: cripplecreek
I’m a greedy Michigan water baron.

Me too. It won't be too long before the EPA determines that my high and dry 40 acre maple forest is actually wetlands.

15 posted on 02/11/2012 3:17:41 PM PST by Dixie Yooper (Ephesians 6:11)
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To: BobL

I’m buying freeze dried water. It costs more but the cans are very light, have a long shelf life and store well:)


16 posted on 02/11/2012 3:18:06 PM PST by Cold Heart
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To: Vince Ferrer
I've always imagined it, but never put it into action. Think about the square footage of the roofs of the buildings you own. I have a very small city lot with my house and my garage combined, the two roofs get about 1/4 of all the rain that falls on my property.

The gutters and downspouts are a natural collecting system I already have in place, just like most people. Instead of dumping that water on the ground it could be collected in a barrel. Or a bunch of them, one for each downspout.

I was just cleaning out a used water heater the other day. A typical 40 gallon tank measuring about 20" diameter and 5 ft tall. When I was happy with my "pressure test" I removed the plug to let her drain. It's a 3/4"NPT hole (the actual female threaded hole measures about 7/8" diameter) the water shot out in about a 1" stream and landed oh about 10 - 12 feet away from the tank. Keep in mind the drain hole is only 6-8" above the ground.

Just harnessing the potential energy of releasing that water when, where, and how you want to has value. If you can drink it or have your plants drink it, that's even better.

17 posted on 02/11/2012 3:24:46 PM PST by WhoisAlanGreenspan?
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To: Dixie Yooper

Down here in Jackson they tax the square footage on parking lots due to the rainwater not going into the ground. The EPA got the city on their side by telling the city that they could keep the revenue to do with it as they wish.

The county is suing the city now because the county is being taxed by the city due to a couple of county owned parking lots.


18 posted on 02/11/2012 3:32:07 PM PST by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: cripplecreek
I know that if they ever got their way the global marxists would evacuate or otherwise “remove” people from vast swathes of the continent.Despite all the water we have in Michigan, its a constant fight with them coming at us from every direction in their attempt to separate us from the water.

Water rights are constantly under threat. The western states take it very, very, very, very, seriously. In the Rocky Mountain states, the only water available is what falls on it, either today or in the past. Water rights are usually assigned and transferred with the land , and so they are part of the real estate. This is also the only real way water rights can be protected from thieves in government and environmentalists. The constitution still requires compensation for eminent domain taking of land, and the government would have to compensate landowners for taking their water rights.

For now.

There have already been plans bubbling up in the Obama administration to "reform" water rights and to transfer water rights to the people that "need it". This must be fought hard and people must be educated as well, because not enough people understand the massive private property grab that would occur.

19 posted on 02/11/2012 3:32:28 PM PST by Vince Ferrer
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To: orsonwb

The state of Washington believes that water falling from the sky belongs to the state.


20 posted on 02/11/2012 3:38:11 PM PST by Baynative (Please check this out - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fFIcZkEzc8I)
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To: hinckley buzzard; Vince Ferrer

DURANGO, Colo. — For the first time since territorial days, rain will be free for the catching here, as more and more thirsty states part ways with one of the most entrenched codes of the West.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/29/us/29rain.html?adxnnl=1&adxnnlx=1329002557-LAyiWoKKbCo6BxtP5QG8Pg


21 posted on 02/11/2012 3:38:16 PM PST by jiggyboy (Ten percent of poll respondents are either lying or insane)
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To: Vince Ferrer

In a little town near me, a municipal water system was recently put in due to a gas pipeline break years ago. Now there are a few families being sued because they refuse to destroy their wells. (Not cap, destroy)

The people don’t want to pay for wash water and lawn water etc but do accept the city water for drinking.


22 posted on 02/11/2012 3:42:36 PM PST by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: WhoisAlanGreenspan?

Has anyone done a study on what is leached off of shingles...especially the asphalt kind with the algae growth inhibitors?


23 posted on 02/11/2012 3:42:50 PM PST by Overtaxed
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To: WXRGina; Ellendra

I would do a ping to the gardening list but I don’t own the tread any more, although I do have the up dated list, I don’t want to step on JustaDumbBlonde’s territory. She did not post the thread this Friday because she is up in Montana on Vacation. If she had asked me to guest post the thread again I would have.


24 posted on 02/11/2012 3:43:51 PM PST by Red_Devil 232 (VietVet - USMC All Ready On The Right? All Ready On The Left? All Ready On The Firing Line!)
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To: Overtaxed

The viruses present in bird droppings are a big concern too.


25 posted on 02/11/2012 3:55:38 PM PST by Farmer Dean (stop worrying about what they want to do to you,start thinking about what you want to do to them)
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To: Kartographer

Ping.


26 posted on 02/11/2012 4:05:01 PM PST by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: cripplecreek

When I grew up in Michigan we had cisterns. What’s with this politically correct rainwater harvesting BS?


27 posted on 02/11/2012 4:14:21 PM PST by satan (Plumbing new depths of worthlessness on a daily basis.)
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To: satan

That’s the king’s water.


28 posted on 02/11/2012 4:16:59 PM PST by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: orsonwb

Bump for later


29 posted on 02/11/2012 4:29:10 PM PST by Bloody Sam Roberts (Do all He commands. Receive all He promises.)
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To: satan

I was about to say, I live in Michigan and anything above ground would be frozen right now. A Cistern would be the answer, but you would need a pump to get it out.


30 posted on 02/11/2012 4:31:29 PM PST by Wildbill22
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To: orsonwb

As some have said - harvesting rain water in certain states is illegal. What falls from the skies is theirs. I think that people should sue those states that don’t collect all of it. Pure waste. (sarc. off)


31 posted on 02/11/2012 4:32:55 PM PST by SkyDancer ("Never Regret Anything Because At One Time It Was Exactly What You Wanted")
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To: orsonwb

Bump,,,,


32 posted on 02/11/2012 4:43:06 PM PST by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But have a plan to kill everyone you meet)
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To: orsonwb

In the 90s I lived in a rural area just west of Austin. Everyone in my subdivision relied on well water. My neighbor build an expensive new house with a rain water collection system. It worked great the first year, when we kept having floods. Then it basically stopped raining for the next several years and he had to truck in water every other day.

In Central Texas, we average about 30 inches of rain per year. The only problem is that it has never rained 30 inches of rain in a year. Generally, you will get 50 inches one year (most of it the result of one hurricane hitting the Gulf) and 10 to 20 inches or less for the next several years.


33 posted on 02/11/2012 4:45:49 PM PST by Bubba_Leroy (The Obamanation Continues)
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To: orsonwb

***With the drought here in Texas, found this to be interesting.***

Hey, here’s a Texas inventors product. I think it’s pretty neat.
news story which shows product:
http://tinyurl.com/7nr3hpm

website with Terry LeBleau’s droughtmaster product, and other inventions/products:
http://www.droughtmasters.net


34 posted on 02/11/2012 5:57:11 PM PST by sockmonkey
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To: satan

The old farmhouse I have back in Michigan has a brick cistern underneath the kitchen, it even had terra cotta pipes leading out to where the old downspouts were. Why they had this I have no idea, because you can drive a well point down 12ft. anywhere and hit water.


35 posted on 02/11/2012 9:32:33 PM PST by factoryrat (We are the producers, the creators. Grow it, mine it, build it.)
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To: Vince Ferrer

I think Washington state has just passed such a law.


36 posted on 02/11/2012 9:35:48 PM PST by djf (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2801220/posts)
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