Posted on 02/14/2012 9:00:34 AM PST by SeekAndFind
They are the seeds of a zombie nation. Product of a weak entitlement society.
Will eventually be a majority of Americans lifestyle should they keep on supporting Obama.
There seems to be an immaturity in our society. From parents who are unwilling to “launch” their children because of various misguided fears to young people who are unwilling to sacrifice for their future, unwilling to relocate, unwilling to struggle. Grow up. Life promises you nothing. Life is what you make of it. Stop oozing along. Get uncomfortable. Kwityurbitchin’! Take your chances. Engage life. Live...don’t merely exist.
There’s nothing jerky about it. A hirer needs to know what they’re looking for and who fits the bill. Many are the resumes I’ve seen where I said “if only we were planning on paying this position 10 to 20 grand more”. They were great candidates for a 2 or 3 position, but we were hiring a 1, you can’t go putting a guy with 15 years of experience in a 1 position at 1 pay, you won’t keep them. Nothing meat brain about it, the meat brain is being in a position where you’re automatically the enemy of the people you want to hire you. Which is probably why you wind up dealing with HR a lot from the other side of the desk. 99% of my dealings with HR the last 20 years I’m on their side of the desk as we’re deciding who to hire.
Lots and lots of truth in this analysis of Urkel’s ruination of our economy. But I did have to laugh at how high the statistics are for men living at home as opposed to women.
When I came of age in the Carter recession, I had a low paying job but lived in at least 10 different horrible NYC apartments just to get away from my parents. Why? Because they treated me like an 8 year old. Meanwhile, my brother happily lived at home with a much better job and was allowed to come and go as an adult.
Looks like nothing has changed!
The failure to launch crowd, which is way to high a percentage of the generation staying home, don’t have degrees, don’t put out applications. That’s the specific group I’m talking about. Obviously not all people in that age group are failure to launchers, obviously not everybody in that age group without a job is a bum. But there’s a high enough quantity of them to start screwing up the numbers. My nephew-in-law and all his friends are in that group, don’t have jobs, don’t want jobs, don’t try to get jobs, the ones who went to college did so to get the student loan money and none of them were smart enough to know that scam plays better if you pass classes. They’re living the life of 12 year-old and they’re in their late 20s.
I know in this economy it’s an uphill situation for the ones actually trying. The good news for you is that thanks to the failure to launch set you face less competition.
And don’t knock jobs you get because of social connections. That’s the best way in the door anywhere. All my real jobs involved social connections to at least get my resume in front of the right eyes. It’s also why you need to make sure you don’t burn bridges, most industries function like small towns, you’ll run into the same people over and over.
You’re posts are fascinating! When I was in the work force, I, too, had different resumes for whatever job I was applying for. Sometimes I just needed a job and so left off certain things that would “overqualify” me. Of course, when I was a theatre actress, I also padded my resume to get a job!
You do what you have to do to gain employment.
You made the point for those guys, you were merely passing through because you were desperate for a temporary paycheck, you were not the permanent employee they were searching for.
The fact that you seem in a constant state of rage and hostility was one of the things that you must have learned to conceal from all those employers that you were hired by before being let go, or whatever drove you away from all those jobs.
While this doesn't apply to you, many of the guys here know what I mean when I point out that females are pretty skilled at finding places to live, either they are in demand for shack ups, or as many of us have seen over and over, they clandestinely move in on a guy they are dating. Many times during his dating years, a guy notices a lot of new stuff in his apartment, and then realizes that the girl he is dating has somehow moved in with him without him knowing about it, for men who hook up a lot, it becomes something they have to look for.
Well, of course, it didn’t apply to me. I moved into apartments that were shared by other women.
But to show you the other side: I have a very wealthy, somewhat naive friend (21 years old!) currently residing in a beautiful apartment on Madison Avenue paid for by her family. Her boyfriend moved in rather quickly - using the place only as a pit stop. So, it works both ways - depending on who has the green stuff.
Of course it happens both ways, but it is more common for females to move from the family home, to the boyfriend’s home, to the next boyfriend’s home, to the next boyfriend’s home.
One of the depressing things for a man to realize as he reaches into his 20s and late 20s, and his 30s, is to realize that the “girls” that he is running into, have never lived on their own, they were never the single girl of the Mary Tyler Moore sitcom, living on their own and dating, instead they merely move from one man’s apartment, into the next one, their love always involves a residence.
Sorry you’ve met such lousy girls. In my single days in NYC, all of my girlfriends (including myself) lived in walkups, held down jobs and paid for the apartment rent themselves. There were rental agencies that were solely devoted to putting women together as roommates. We even had rooming houses for women and one famous hotel: The Barbizon.
In my tiny pied a terre in NYC, there are several young women living alone. Not unusual at all.
Most despised people in America:
Don't worry I've learned how to deal with Nazi HR. Not a problem for me anymore. I should write a book about the pin headed mind set of the people how do the hiring in America. I've studied your breed, a disgusting lot.
Listen, it isn't just external, as an engineer of 30 years most of us despise you people. Your low balling tactics yield crappy co workers. Then if you can't get the right price you H1-b us with somebody that has the english skills of a 3 year old.
I have never been "let go". If I leave I always give the std 2 weeks. I am not angry at anyone but the pin headed thinking on display from the hiring "geniuses" posting on this thread. LOL.
or whatever drove you away from all those jobs
Drove me a way? What?! I WAS TRYING TO GET HIRED. Get it?
I’m not HR, I’ve managed departments, and even as non-management been involved in hiring decisions. And my hiring decisions are correct. The last 4 people I encouraged hiring have all had their 5th anniversary in the company and department. See that’s what happens when you understand who fits your situation and how people can be overqualified, you get keepers.
See both my experience AND your experience prove me right. Your need to lie to HR and insult people that disagree with you show exactly why you keep winding up looking for a job. Keep throwing the insults, every one you throw proves me right.
That is one of the main benefits to a college education... some jobs require the degree mainly as a screening process.
At least half ... maybe more... of college students would be better off financially in some kind of trade school learning to be a plumber or auto mechanic, etc.
I’ve paid more plumber bills this year than I dreamed possible. They don’t work cheap.
My daughter got a masters in Human Resources. She would have been better off spending those two years working her way up at a job. Although she has a good job now, it would probably be better if she’d just been working during the time she pursued her masters.
You are so myopic you can't see my point. IMO a person who finds himself laid off has every right to tailor his background and or resume to fit the job. Yes people do get desperate but it is better than going on the dole. I am not ashamed that I have been in that situation.
Fortunately I am fine now but if it were up to most hiring practices in this country a person might as well go into some kind of suspended animation until the perfect fit comes up. Well it doesn't work that way. We either suck off the govt. teat or take something that we are overqualified for until the economy improves or something else comes up. Those are the facts of life.
My guess you've never been young unemployed and needing a job to make it thru. You've been blessed. With that blessing comes ignorance.
exactly why you keep winding up looking for a job.
I've had the same job for over 10 years, making well into the 6 figures. But I will never forget what it was like in the early 80's to have rent due, getting laid off and needing ANY kind of job. Being told I was over qualified is something that ONLY happened to me once.
As a young layed off degreed engineer I applied to a large ME contractor to layout piping and HVAC duct - simple crap, didn't get the job because I was over qualified. That experience taught me "the game". Never again.
Never forget where you came from. In this economy I could end up doing manual labor, construction or restaurant work again.
Talk about myopic. I know full well what you’re point is, I even said I used to agree with it, until I worked the other side of the equation. You’re the one ignoring my point. People doing hiring aren’t looking for the awesome guy (overqualified) that will bail in 3 months when he finds something better, they’re looking for the really good guy that will stay for years. And anytime you’ve lied on your resume just to get a job at all until you could find something that was a better long term fit you proved them right.
I understand the facts from both sides. I’ve been laid off, and I’ve hired (and of course that means not hired) people. I know how bad it sucks to be out of work and watching the money evaporating. And that eats my gut every time I have to pass on people during the hiring process. It sucks, I WANT to hire every half way decent resume, but I can’t. I’m trying to fill 1 or 2 positions out of 50+ resumes at least half of which I can make a good case will be able to do the job well, I have to chop those 25 good guys down to 5 or less to interview, and then reject 3 or 4 of them. It sucks. Culling days are the worst days at work. But that’s part of the job. Learning you can’t hire them all, you can’t even hire most. And the biggest thing to learn is you do the most good by hiring the best fit, because now you’re giving somebody a job they’ll enjoy for years.
Your “best guess” is 100% wrong. Been young and out of work plenty. Learned from it. Learned enough from it to wind up on the other side of the equation, learned A LOT from that.
What would have happened if you’d gotten that HVAC job? Would you have continued to look for work? How much longer was it between when they rejected you and you got a job that fit your actual skill set? If your answers are “yes” and “less than a year” that’s why they didn’t hire you.
Looking for people is an expensive proposition, even if there’s no training involved there’s still the expense of screening applicants. When I was in McDonalds in the 80s the OMT manual said hiring and training process cost 3 grand, that’s for a freaking burger flipper 30 years ago. For something outside minimum wage land where the people screening applicants, training the new hire, and the new hire themselves are getting paid actual money you’re talking about sinking 10s of thousands of dollars into the process. It’s survival negative to sink that kind of money into somebody that won’t stop looking for a new job just because you hired him. You want people that are going to stick, overqualified candidates won’t stick, that’s why you don’t hire them.
I’ve never forgotten where I came from, but I’ve also never forgotten the goal of the process. Because in the long run fulfilling the goal does the most good for the most people. Go throwing money around on overqualified candidates that won’t stay and in short order the company is out of money and then EVERYBODY is looking for a job. Short sighted thinking is what got the economy in this shape. There’s a reason why the shortest tenure any of my hires have ever had was 3 years, I keep my eye on the long term. And yeah I’ve passed up a lot of really good candidates that would have been gone 6 months later because of it, and I’m sure their short term life was made harder because I passed them up, and it sucked, and I drank to make it suck less, but my decision was the right one for everybody.
I will lie to eat.
The next job when I was unemployed in the early 80's was a draftsman job at a Civil Engineering group. I lied on my resume, took off my college degree and had a buddy act as my reference. Got the job and was grateful to be making a third of my previous job. I was over qualified but I was eating and that is the most important thing. I stayed there 6 months and bar-tended at night. Finally a better job came along.
Like I said if it is between me living on the street and a job I will get the job, hook or crook.
PS when I worked those dumb-ass jobs to survive NOBODY had to spend a dime training me and I was productive from minute one.
We all have to survive, I can go back into the survival mode at anytime.
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I work from contract to contract. Personally, I'd love to have consistent 50 hour weeks, with 40 hours of that billable. I can build my business quicker with that. I'm finally having a good month here, but have a long ways to go to where I want to me.
Yeah I'm sure you lost sleep. /sarc
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