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Two NYPD Cops Fire 84 Rounds at Murder Suspect
Police Patrol ^ | April 26, 2012 | Paul Clinton

Posted on 04/27/2012 5:36:19 AM PDT by stickandrudder

A man who allegedly killed his 13-year-old half-sister survived a fusillade of bullets from New York City police officers early Tuesday, after pointing his pistol at officers.

Officers responded to a 911 call at 2971 Eighth St. in Harlem at 3:27 a.m. Tuesday.

Steven Murray, 28, had allegedly shot his mother Christine Fryar, 44, and her daughter Annie, according to the NYPD. Paramedics arrived to find the daughter dead with a gunshot wound to the head. The mother, who was also shot in the head, was transported to Harlem Hospital, and is listed in critcal condition.

Police eventually confronted Murray, who was running through the surrounding neighborhood. The officers pursued Murray on foot and returned fire after he fired one shot.

NYPD Sgt. Alexander Mesa fired 39 shots, and Officer Joseph Robinson got off 45 rounds. Murray was hit 14 times, and refused to drop his weapon, reports the New York Daily News.

Murray has been charged with murder and attempted murder.


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To: Gaffer
The perp had already executed his 13 y/o sister with two shots to the head, then he shot his mother. Surely he would have no qualms shooting a stranger, and a cop at that. Plus the guy was a career criminal.

Sounds like defense to me, not panic.

21 posted on 04/27/2012 5:58:27 AM PDT by synbad600
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To: PapaBear3625

I figured he most likely had 3 mags,so he’d be out of ammo at 45 rounds expended.


22 posted on 04/27/2012 5:59:34 AM PDT by Farmer Dean (stop worrying about what they want to do to you,start thinking about what you want to do to them)
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets
I don't think anybody questions the police's right to shoot, just their performance.

84 shots and no dead body is pretty embarrassing. This is a crowded city.

23 posted on 04/27/2012 5:59:50 AM PDT by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets

A revolver, even with a couple of quick loads in nowhere equivalent to .40 semi-auto or similar with at least three 15 round backup mags from two LEOs. I’d hazard to guess your cousin with his revolver might actually have hit someone with 1/10 of the spray and pray. I think if you asked your cousin about this, he might tell you what he’d have done differently.


24 posted on 04/27/2012 6:01:14 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: stickandrudder

I hope someone counted the empty brass.


25 posted on 04/27/2012 6:02:04 AM PDT by Rappini (Pro Deo et Patria)
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets

NYPD uses Glock 17’s now IIRC. They switched from the ubiquitious S&W Model 10 some time ago. Having been used to DA revolvers they had a rash of “foot shots” until they went to a 11 pound trigger in the Glock, called the NY Trigger.


26 posted on 04/27/2012 6:02:21 AM PDT by Tijeras_Slim
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To: Gaffer
Seems like “spray and pray” has replaced marksmanship.

Just goes to show what fear and adrenaline can do. Also, the shorter the barrel, the easier to miss a full grown man at even a small distance of 25' or less - epsecially if you don't have the luxury of taking a stance and using two hands to take a steady aim. We are so into the movies wher a guy takes a snap shot with a pistol and takes out the right eye of someone else at 100', that we base our thoughts and expectations on illusions. My wife and I practice often so we know how we shoot when in "hurry mode" and it allows us to compensate if necessary. Of course we haven't tried it when someone else is shooting at us, so we have no idea of how a real situation will go down....

27 posted on 04/27/2012 6:02:26 AM PDT by trebb ("If a man will not work, he should not eat" From 2 Thes 3)
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To: stickandrudder
"Officers responded to a 911 call at 2971 Eighth St. in Harlem . . ."

Is this some other Harlem I'm heretofore unaware of?

28 posted on 04/27/2012 6:02:38 AM PDT by Oratam
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To: Farmer Dean
Assuming 15 round mags,Officer Robinson probably expended every round he was carrying.So he was standing there defenseless.

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Unless he carried a back-up as I did doing the same job.

29 posted on 04/27/2012 6:02:48 AM PDT by wtc911 (Amigo - you've been had.)
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To: synbad600

My guess is those two LEOs weren’t loading frangibles in their mags....most likely the hottest/hardest rounds they could get.


30 posted on 04/27/2012 6:03:10 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: stickandrudder

” Paging Al Sharpton ...Paging Al Sharpton ...”


31 posted on 04/27/2012 6:03:33 AM PDT by sushiman
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To: stickandrudder
"It's not always being fast or even accurate that counts. It's being willing. I found out early that most men, regardless of cause or need, aren't willing. They blink an eye or draw a breath before they pull the trigger...And I won't." -J.B. Books

It helps to aim too...

Mike

32 posted on 04/27/2012 6:04:09 AM PDT by MichaelP (The ultimate result of shielding men from the effects of folly is to fill the world with fools ~HS)
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To: trebb

Agree....


33 posted on 04/27/2012 6:05:38 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: Gaffer

Seems like “spray and pray” has replaced marksmanship......Back in the ‘70’s at the Ohio Highway Patrol Academy, the cops with autos were noticeably poorer shots than the old wheel gunners.


34 posted on 04/27/2012 6:10:47 AM PDT by Safetgiver (The predator class is upset because they are being shot.)
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To: stickandrudder

I think the cops could do with much more range time; and,
what is it with shooting the mother and sister? How much of a degenerate could the guy be?

Last summer I had jury duty. It was a murder case. The accused shot his grandfather in the chest because he refused to give him a hundred dollars for booze and drugs.
The prosecution’s witnesses were the guy’s mother, grandmother and sister.
When I was questioned during the jury selection process, I simply stated that if his own mother, grandmother and sister were the eye witnesses, why were we wasting time with a trial? I was dismissed and allowed to go home.


35 posted on 04/27/2012 6:10:58 AM PDT by BuffaloJack (End Obama's War On Freedom.)
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To: Farmer Dean
Yep, he should have slowed down and focused on getting accurate hits.

Which is easy for me to say from the comfort of my chair, and not so easy to do when facing an armed perp at 3am in Harlem.

36 posted on 04/27/2012 6:13:11 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act. - George Orwell)
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To: dead

I agree. Training, training, training. That is what is lacking here. How to be cool under pressure and to hit what you aim at. I would expect no less from ANY LEO.

(they seem to be able to hit every DOG they aim at).


37 posted on 04/27/2012 6:14:46 AM PDT by faucetman ( Just the facts, ma'am, Just the facts)
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To: faucetman
No one has yet mentioned that handguns are illegal in NY City. How could this possibly happen? //sarc.
38 posted on 04/27/2012 6:22:24 AM PDT by dblshot (Insanity: electing the same people over and over and expecting different results.)
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To: stickandrudder

.45 ACP when you “care” enough to send the VERY BEST! These “Cops” probably had WIMPY 9 mm!


39 posted on 04/27/2012 6:25:37 AM PDT by US Navy Vet (Go Packers! Go Rockies! Go Boston Bruins! See, I'm "Diverse"!)
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To: stickandrudder

This may sound strange but for the circumstances 14/85 is probably above average shooting.


40 posted on 04/27/2012 6:27:21 AM PDT by dangerdoc (see post #6)
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